JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 3]

[Kompromat]

My choice Salex Galileo Vixen 1000E AESA.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

My choice Salex Galileo Vixen 1000E AESA.

so what PAf have to do with ur CHOICE.
they will get those radar that do not effect thunder's production main purpose LOW COST AIRCRAFT.later version could have an AESA radar but not b4 first 50 aircrafts till 2011-12.

 

[Sapper]

My preference would be PS-05/A Mk5 AESA radar with complete ToT. This radar is developed by Saab/Ericsson and intended to be used with Grippen NG.

Pakistan is looking to buy at-least 250 Thunders, and multiplying with approximate cost of advanced radar (almost 2~2.5 Million USD per piece) we are looking at an expense figure of almost 500~625 Million USD. This is a huge sum of money, huge enough to merit ToT with very little overhead cost.

Consider if we purchase licensed (build+export) of hardware, software and R&D for something around 200~300 Million USD, we can start building an AESA radar domestically that can be put on not only JF17s, but also FC20s (with larger antenna), Mirage 3/5s, F7PGs, and training variants on K8s/FT7s. Not to mention that we can also upgrade our F16s to carry a most modern AESA radar, obviously after approval from USA and help from TAI. We will also remain self sufficient in maintaining these remarkable machines as well.

The minimum current requirement is at-least 250 radar units, which can surely increase if we export it on JF17s, or if we incorporate into Mirages and F7s. The unit cost may come down as much as 1 Million USD, because of cheap Pakistani labour costs involved in manufacturing literally hundreds of thousands of line-replaceable AESA T/R modules.

License cost 200~300 M USD
Per Unit cost 1.0~1.50 M USD
Minimun units 250
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Minimum (200+1.0*250) = 450 M USD
Maximum (300+1.5*250) = 675 M USD


Regards,
Sapper

 

[Super Falcon]

yes italian one looks cool one with better range than its counter part we have good relations with italy we will get it

 

[Dazzler]

They are both equally matched, in fact, RDY3/RC-400 is the radar of Mirage 2009 so one must never under estimate it. A very capable piece of equipment indeed

 

[ice_man]

people i haven't seen a pic or video of any armament be it a AGM or AAM on a JF-17 or any being fired! since pakistan got it does anyone have a pic of anything on the under belly of our beast? even if it means drop tanks!!!! would be really grateful if someone can post any pics....!!

 

[mean_bird]

people i haven't seen a pic or video of any armament be it a AGM or AAM on a JF-17 or any being fired! since pakistan got it does anyone have a pic of anything on the under belly of our beast? even if it means drop tanks!!!! would be really grateful if someone can post any pics....!!

Here you go

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

people i haven't seen a pic or video of any armament be it a AGM or AAM on a JF-17 or any being fired! since pakistan got it does anyone have a pic of anything on the under belly of our beast? even if it means drop tanks!!!! would be really grateful if someone can post any pics....!!

wow u really wana see some weapon Test.
SEE THIS.....

AND THIS TOO

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

found something good and wanted to share.

THE NATION'S PAGE:related to production of Thunder in PAC,and some new pictures too of first Thunder produced in Pakistan.
its hard to read but,but its really informative.

AND A VIDEO :

SEE THE PAINTING:

 

[nightrider_saulat]

fix the link....upload it first.

you are trying to link us to your hard-drive =D

LOL thanks for saving his privacy sir!

 

[Dazzler]

So much has been said and written about the jf 17 that most of the members have become aware of almost every publicized feature. However, there is one feature which i found really interesting. The Focus Interfering System. As per a Chinese article, it is a very advance system that can disrupt the enemy missile and break its lock. The system is capable to perform the task of severe jamming by directing beam towards incoming threat, thus negating the need of additional EW aid and increased aircraft integrity. I am not talking about general EW capability which is there in every fighter these days but i have never heard of this tech before. What does it actually do? I had an article on this topic but i lost it. Any more info on it will be appreciated. It also mentioned that jf 17 mission computer is a very powerful one and can only be matched by F-16 blk 60 and Rafale. Please don't start trolling on this as i have no intention to compare it with the best out there. It was written by a former Chinese fighter pilot. Thanks

 

[Dazzler]

One good news is that from the serial batch onwards, jf-17's flight control system is changed to a full fly by wire system. The primary system is quadruple digital fly by wire in pitch axis, aided by dual fly by wire in role axis which replaced the previous mechanical backup system. The FBW is version no. 634, very similar to the one used by the J-10 and tested initially on J8 a few years ago. In the link below, this can be verified

http://cnair.top81.cn/J-10_J-11_FC-1.htm

 

[Dazzler]

This is the article is was looking for unfortunately i don't have the link of it right now.

"JF-17 is currently China's only advanced fighter developed in open. Many people use it to understand .China's fighter development direction. The DSI
change that started in June of 2004 caused many surprises, so did the Leading edge extension in September. Since 2006, JF-17 has been viewed even more when President Musharraf visited. CCTV showed brand new JF-17 04 with a previously unseen modern glass cockpit. This cockpit represent ourcountry's avionics level has reached world class. JF-17 showed 1 HUD and 2 MFD in the cockpit in previous displays. There were analog controls in the middle. The look was similar to F-16a/b. In 2004, zhuhai airshow showed a cockpit with 1 HUD and 3 MFDs. All the analog meters on the cockpit got replaced by digital control. Cockpit underwent a total digital
information redesign. However, the model does not give people the good feeling that a real thing would.

Everyone knows that JF-17 is a China/Pakistan combined venture. JF-17's main aim is to equip PAF. In south Asian crisis, Pakistan receive American
embargo. It not only failed to receive 79 F-16s it order, but also could not get spare parts to F-16. As a result, it had to order 80 F-7PG and some squadrons even got F-16s replaced by F-7PG. This is rarely seen in military aviation. JF-17's development is extremely urgent. Pakistan believes that JF-17's capability and price should be lower than F-16C/D, but capability should be higher than F-16A/B. Due to the anti-terrorism planning, PAF's importance got changed. America not only agreed to sell F-16, but also some advanced F-16s that it could not get before. Due to this pressure, JF-17's requirement got increased. It needs to be more advanced than F-16, that's why you see the whole change in 04. The new cockpit's electronic system showed JF-17's modified capability. The new cockpit is very compact and functional position is positioned well and shows very mature system. 1 HUD is the main fighter display. This HUD has 24 degree in sight. It can add infrared signal? and supply flying, navigation, liftoff and landing info, it can also display target details and shooting detail. It can also communicate, navigate using the GUI There is a camera located above the HUD. It records HUD and external sights. HUD is the most important instrument in flight. Integrated informational level is dependent on this. Russia added some nice looking displays for su-30, but their display information is simple and information is spread. So, it did not really integrate the information. The JF-17 HUD uses a lot of digital processing and information integration information. For example, radar information, fight command info. HUD's controller has the ability to change display. Controller can also control all of the plane's dipslay. 3 MFDs are below the HUD. It is multi-colour LCD display. The dimension of the MFD is 20.3cmx30.6cm (note: this works out to be 8 x 12 inch, but a more realistic estimation is 6.25x8.25). The area is 4 times the previous area. The display brightness and contrast can be automatically adjusted. It also allows handle control. Each MFD displays important function. Display info can be changed. The control on the side acts as parameter design. Very often, left side shows weapon situation and numbers. Right side displays radar and combat info. The center shows some less important info, because it requires the pilot to lower his/her head. Like navigational info and map and so so. All the MFD can change to other info like radar, cockpit camera? and infrared picture and such. cockpit also allows night navigation and pilots can use night goggles to fly. 04 uses a hotas controller? pilot can keep hands on controller and still control the fighter's sensor mode, weapon and display. This greatly reduces a pilots movement and makes operation much easier. The controller does not affect the position in combat? Basically, allows pilots to keep the hand on the controller in combat. The earlier western 4th generation fighters like F-16A/B only had limited functions on the controller. JF-17 hotas uses advanced western design like F-16C/d, F-18C/D and Mirage2K5's newest model for design. Also, the system has different controls dependent on the hand size, length and finger size and length of the user. Basically, uses customizable controller. Allows a lot of activities done with limited energy. 04 uses all digital integrated electronic display. all computers/electronics uses 2 STD-MTL-1553B databus combined, curren info shared repository and shared data repository. According to demand, it also divides into weapons w/commands, radar, EW, communication, electronic control, payload control, FBW and so on. This avionics system's core lies in 2 advanced weapons controlling computer. these two computers do something... Each computer controls 1 double thick 1553B databus? This computer uses new structure system. It uses main controller rights to receive and process each system's info. At the same time, receive pilot's command. Uses command to control other systems. It's current world's most advanced input computer and main line integration web. Very few new fighters has this kind of complex and high speed system like typhoon, rafale and F-16 E/F. This system uses battle flight software package to exercise control and allows using development of more detailed software package to improve fighter capability and work load. Weapon controlling computer directly connects to MFD's structure. It uses information from each system to display on the 1 HUD and 3MFDs. Radar system is another important part of JF-17. It's also a major commercial battle area. Pakistan used a lot of Grifo radar in the past on F-7s. JF-17 also was about to use this. Italy also pitted Grifo-S2000 (should be S7) in competition. China also provided a radar for customers. Domestic radar has good support for China's weapon systems and missiles.
The current multimode PD radar has BVR capability, WVR capability and attack land and sea mode and other modes. Also has look down and shoot down capability even under disruptive environments below. You can Track 10 targets from 40 scanned targets and handle 2 concurrent BVR engagement. The range vs 3 m^2 targets is larger than 75KM and look down is larger than 45 KM. It is larger than 135 KM vs sea targets.

04's GPS navigation system replaced the traditional navigation system, greatly improved precision and reduced preparation time. Talks about GPs capability after this and how American military controls it. It also has other wireless navigation but not as precise as GPS.

JF-17's EW suite is very complex. It combines radar warning receiver and missile proximity receiver to form surveillence system and combined with ECM work. JF-17 uses something to diagnose RWR. It can receive a lot of information like fighter radar, missile seeker, A2S guidance radar and provides within 1.5 degree news. RWR has about 100+ radar info repository. It uses measured info to compare, detect the threatening origin and correct (radar type or fighter type?) and warning level. This repository can improve to 300. It can allow reprogramming, receive wartime newly discovered radar signal. 04's improved tail (backside" contains a missile proximity receiver. There will probably be two more put on the fighter for 360 degree coverage. It uses infrared and purple dual band imagine device. It has a purple red window? It can sense missile's rocket engine spoke from 20 KM in. It can correctly predict missile's location, trail and such. It can even estimate engagement time. It can be expanded to a fighter/missile recognition system. It can also provide some infrared imaging, communicate with RWR and hopefully can develop passive signal detection technology.

04's EW suite also has a ECM pod. It and the ECM on the tail provide joint work. ECM current uses traidtional infrared something? modern missile's countermeasure to this is getting stronger each day. To let this simple and cheap ECM achieve high efficiency shows system's level, RWR, MPR and such. This system is only equipped by rafale and F-22. F-18E/F and F-16E/F needs upgrade to have this. 04 should also have ECM inside of fighter. It uses modern ECM technology and uses precise tracking system. Can achieve the affect of large ECM machine with small equipment. This ECM is most modern active guided AAM. It can also counter gither radar lock and scan. It's mainly for PAF's enemy IAF's R-77 missiles.

To acommodate modern web of combat. 04 is equipped with 2 ECM vs radar tower and something else. It can receive datalink info from ground of AWACS. Other equippments include big air computer? and advanced digital processing signal and such. The electronic system stores everything, all the bugs and such. It can use computer to process this. Reduces ground maintenance.

It uses western standard MIL-STD-1760 to allow for integration of western weapons and can also get hooked on with Russian weapons. It will probably uses PL-9C, SD-10, PL-11, AIM-9L/M and AIM-7F. It also good use LGBs and possible A2G missile integration. "

 

[Faizan Qadri]

Pakistan should make a reconaissance version of JF-17 thunder, with some stealthy features and extra capacity fuel tank.

 

[Dazzler]

With the jf-17 in hand now, the PAF has a surprise weapon system whose capabilities are still unknown. It is a well kept secret and besides some general info, not many are aware of the real thing. Add to that, many still do not know what exactly is the avionics package and EW system the fighter is equipped with?
The surprise factor can be very handy in war scenario as the enemy is clueless what he is dealing with. I am not saying that it is super duper in any sense but what exactly it has in store, only the PAF knows and this will prove its worth in due time. What we do know is that PAF is very happy with its performance as it completely fulfills the role of a modern, highly agile and reliable main stay fighter.