JF-17 Thunder Block III is no match against Rafale

[Haris Ali2140]

Well? Mister Sabir Shakir thinks that "rafale shafale" are no threat & that india has no clue as to what awaits them next...listen to the last 5 mins...

Does he even know anything about Rafael besides that it is a fighter jet???

 

[sady]

When Holy Prophet died he had good number of swords and nothing much else. Lesson for us.

When corruption of gigantic proportion was happening during PPP and Noon league era, was there anyone with foresight in establishment to realise this will eventually bite the security of Pakistan in the end? While they played being 'intellectual generals' and whatnot? Tolerating Zardari was height of short sightedness. How many billions we lost to unnecessary dead end projects like orange train, brt, metro etc how many billions laundered away as number 1 agency looked on. Don't anybody dare give me expediency as a reason.

Lets face it our Airforce isn't close to be armed adequately. We are surviving because we have a shitty enemy. One day they may improve. Oneday they will outgun and outrange us like in Kargil war. Don't rest on laurels of a limited exchange of feb 27.

History tells us our Armed forces have not been the brightest bunch and beyond rapprochement in all instances so yes you can question them once in a while however standing firmly behind them with positive criticism.

 

[Hamza913]

IMHO, we are relying too much on JF-17 Block III, lets be realistic, it will be no match against Rafales. JF-17 is a liteweight aircraft, Rafales is the medium weight. Rafales has more hard points and long range BVR missiles. I think PAF missed the trick, They should have gone for the J-10C for the stop gap. I even doubt J-10C are at par with Rafales.
we all know that F-16 Block 70/72 is at par with Rafale, but we dont have any of those. I am not talking about men behind machine, i am talking about machine vs machine. sure 36 numbers arent that big, but those 36 units can turn the table in air combat. dont forget that S-400 is also coming. we have no answer for it. quoting 27th Feb incident all the time, wont save us from future short comings. we should never underestimate our adversary. thats what indians do. we shouldnt do it, instead find the solution for it . our AZM project is still on paper. it will take some good 15+ years to complete. our current F-16 fleets going to retire in 10 to 12 years. so wheres the stop gap ? its a serious issue. i am sure PAF knows about it. but we didnt see anything solid coming out from PAF. i am not going into financial issues becoz, when we go for battle or war, we should be prepared for it, no matter whats the cost. JF-17 and Rafales are like Apples and Oranges. our only answer and option is F-16 Block 70/72.
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You're underestimating block 3, it will have an AESA radar and could easily be equipped to carry PL-15 missiles, which would be more than a match for the Rafale's Meteor missiles. Of course, there's also the option to purchase Chinese aircraft directly (like J-10s as you said, potentially even 5th gen Chinese aircraft once they become available too).

As for the F-16 fleet, they are still a formidable force in the modern world. They can (and have as well as will) undergo extensive upgrades to boost combat efficiency too.

Don't forget that the IAF can't purchase enough equipment to replace its ageing aircraft either, at least the PAF can mass produce its own to combat such a problem. The IAF on the other hand is unable to.

 

[Trango Towers]

IMHO, we are relying too much on JF-17 Block III, lets be realistic, it will be no match against Rafales. JF-17 is a liteweight aircraft, Rafales is the medium weight. Rafales has more hard points and long range BVR missiles. I think PAF missed the trick, They should have gone for the J-10C for the stop gap. I even doubt J-10C are at par with Rafales.
we all know that F-16 Block 70/72 is at par with Rafale, but we dont have any of those. I am not talking about men behind machine, i am talking about machine vs machine. sure 36 numbers arent that big, but those 36 units can turn the table in air combat. dont forget that S-400 is also coming. we have no answer for it. quoting 27th Feb incident all the time, wont save us from future short comings. we should never underestimate our adversary. thats what indians do. we shouldnt do it, instead find the solution for it . our AZM project is still on paper. it will take some good 15+ years to complete. our current F-16 fleets going to retire in 10 to 12 years. so wheres the stop gap ? its a serious issue. i am sure PAF knows about it. but we didnt see anything solid coming out from PAF. i am not going into financial issues becoz, when we go for battle or war, we should be prepared for it, no matter whats the cost. JF-17 and Rafales are like Apples and Oranges. our only answer and option is F-16 Block 70/72.
senior members on PDF can share some thoughts on this topic.

What makes you opinion valid.
R u an aerospace engineer?
A fighter pilot
An aviation expert?
An aerial combat expert?
A radar expert
A missile expert?

Or r u just waffle expert?

 

[Flight of falcon]

Pakistan Airforce Thinktabks are highly incompetent. They failed to choose just 1 aircraft from past 3 decades. From past 1 decade, PAF officialls making fool our public. JF17 is a piece of shit in front of Mig29, SU30, Rafale or even Mirage 2000 quite frankly. These ****** literally compromised our national security in next 10 years if they continue busy in marketing of that piece of shit which no one interested to buy and the top of it that JF17 also has limit uou cant make JF like raptor. The aircraft is fucking single engine low weight fighterjet which is no where to stand again any 4/4.5 fighter. Ye **** JF17 hamara pride hey pride karnay ka manjan beech rahay haib just to hide their incompetency. They failed to evaluate Pakistan’s airforce requirement. Jab economy sahi b the tab b they were busy in testing EU, Rafale and even back in 80s F15.
Nore more JF17BS manjan plzz....

Bro at least pretend to be Pakistani by using proper English and not Bombay slum dialect.
Just because Indians ought a new toy we need not to panic.
Just like on feb 27 we made their 220 Su30 planes unworthy of flying near LOC we will also find suitable solution to Rafael... panic not..... have faith in PAF and they always deliver .

 

[Meliodas]

Who said jf (any block) is an answer to rafale?

 

[Hassannn85]

IMHO, we are relying too much on JF-17 Block III, lets be realistic, it will be no match against Rafales. JF-17 is a liteweight aircraft, Rafales is the medium weight. Rafales has more hard points and long range BVR missiles. I think PAF missed the trick, They should have gone for the J-10C for the stop gap. I even doubt J-10C are at par with Rafales.
we all know that F-16 Block 70/72 is at par with Rafale, but we dont have any of those. I am not talking about men behind machine, i am talking about machine vs machine. sure 36 numbers arent that big, but those 36 units can turn the table in air combat. dont forget that S-400 is also coming. we have no answer for it. quoting 27th Feb incident all the time, wont save us from future short comings. we should never underestimate our adversary. thats what indians do. we shouldnt do it, instead find the solution for it . our AZM project is still on paper. it will take some good 15+ years to complete. our current F-16 fleets going to retire in 10 to 12 years. so wheres the stop gap ? its a serious issue. i am sure PAF knows about it. but we didnt see anything solid coming out from PAF. i am not going into financial issues becoz, when we go for battle or war, we should be prepared for it, no matter whats the cost. JF-17 and Rafales are like Apples and Oranges. our only answer and option is F-16 Block 70/72.
senior members on PDF can share some thoughts on this topic.

What if US refuses to sell latest F16s? I hope in that case we opt for Typhoons (if not then Gripen) instead of a Chinese jet.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

What if US refuses to sell latest F16s? I hope in that case we opt for Typhoons (if not then Gripen) instead of a Chinese jet.

PAF goes for US jets because we can buy from them using CSF while China gives equipment on soft loan terms. Anyone else besides these demand money.

 

[Av8er]

Pakistan Airforce Thinktabks are highly incompetent. They failed to choose just 1 aircraft from past 3 decades. From past 1 decade, PAF officialls making fool our public. JF17 is a piece of shit in front of Mig29, SU30, Rafale or even Mirage 2000 quite frankly. These ****** literally compromised our national security in next 10 years if they continue busy in marketing of that piece of shit which no one interested to buy and the top of it that JF17 also has limit uou cant make JF like raptor. The aircraft is fucking single engine low weight fighterjet which is no where to stand again any 4/4.5 fighter. Ye **** JF17 hamara pride hey pride karnay ka manjan beech rahay haib just to hide their incompetency. They failed to evaluate Pakistan’s airforce requirement. Jab economy sahi b the tab b they were busy in testing EU, Rafale and even back in 80s F15.
Nore more JF17BS manjan plzz....

Are you done ranting like a complete fool or would you like to continue embarrassing yourself further?

 

[graphican]

Prepare your best but save yourself from the doubt - as doubt kills more possibilities than failure ever will.

There are lots of things which India has and more in number or better than Pakistan including the bigger army, more SAMs, more soldiers, more pilots and more of everything. But the humiliation they received on 27th Feb 2019 wasn't visible on the excel sheet where you match range with range and capability with capability.

 

[Av8er]

What makes you opinion valid.
R u an aerospace engineer?
A fighter pilot
An aviation expert?
An aerial combat expert?
A radar expert
A missile expert?

Or r u just waffle expert?

Probably the last one. People with zero credentials make the most ludicrous claims!

 

[Shane]

IMHO, we are relying too much on JF-17 Block III, lets be realistic, it will be no match against Rafales. JF-17 is a liteweight aircraft, Rafales is the medium weight. Rafales has more hard points and long range BVR missiles. I think PAF missed the trick, They should have gone for the J-10C for the stop gap. I even doubt J-10C are at par with Rafales.
we all know that F-16 Block 70/72 is at par with Rafale, but we dont have any of those. I am not talking about men behind machine, i am talking about machine vs machine. sure 36 numbers arent that big, but those 36 units can turn the table in air combat. dont forget that S-400 is also coming. we have no answer for it. quoting 27th Feb incident all the time, wont save us from future short comings. we should never underestimate our adversary. thats what indians do. we shouldnt do it, instead find the solution for it . our AZM project is still on paper. it will take some good 15+ years to complete. our current F-16 fleets going to retire in 10 to 12 years. so wheres the stop gap ? its a serious issue. i am sure PAF knows about it. but we didnt see anything solid coming out from PAF. i am not going into financial issues becoz, when we go for battle or war, we should be prepared for it, no matter whats the cost. JF-17 and Rafales are like Apples and Oranges. our only answer and option is F-16 Block 70/72.
senior members on PDF can share some thoughts on this topic.

At least have some sense and put a question mark on the thread title, my ignorant young Pak.

Block 3 is likely to have the game changer PL15 as its main BVR weapon, it is not a Medium range missile but a long range one.

PL15 is stated to have a range of at least 200Km. Meteor onboard Rafale has 150Km range.

You do the math.

Then ask yourself why your thread title is an insult to your intellect.

 

[Hassannn85]

PAF goes for US jets because we can buy from them using CSF while China gives equipment on soft loan terms. Anyone else besides these demand money.

You're right but I didn't know there is anything left called CSF?!

 

[Haris Ali2140]

You're right but I didn't know there is anything left called CSF?!

If US wants withdrawl from Afg. there WILL be a CSF.

 

[Kaleem.61]

indigenous engine development

You dont need to invest for that as it is available everywhere you can get it from China, Russia, America etc. When something is already there in reasonable price why we should strive for that to waste money..? (Air Marshal Shahid Lateef)

How many billions we lost to unnecessary dead end projects like orange train, brt, metro etc

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Only thing good for the poor laborers. I know what you want to say but it's done by idiots.