JF-17 has edge over LCA: Pak officials

[macintosh]

Wikipedia is unreliable source. First there needs to be an intention that the aircraft will actually be operational in the mother Air Force (in this case IAF). After that there are going to be plans which Wikipedia is a source that cannot verify. It is unlikely that LCA will every get operational nevermind being equipped with an AESA radar which is too much for a low cost aircraft.

But in articles on wikipedia where it has references to prove what is written in it are somewhat reliable.

 

[EagleEyes]

Link means Email link.


That is what I have said.If china has to sold it, it should have it's own engine not RD 33 DERIVATIVE.

Now read this from post.

This puts the credibility of article into jeopardize.

In whose world??? Pakistan's world.The statement is immature.



Nope. j-10 is going to be much better a may be a true 4.5 gen. fighter.

Why does it matter if China has a derivative of RD93 in the aircraft or not. It needs some sort of engine to make the aircraft operational. Operational = Success. 20+ years delay, no plans for operational aircraft = Failure.

 

[EagleEyes]

But in articles on wikipedia where it has references to prove what is written in it are somewhat reliable.

Yes, then link THOSE references if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[macintosh]

Why does it matter if China has a derivative of RD93 in the aircraft or not. It needs some sort of engine to make the aircraft operational. Operational = Success. 20+ years delay, no plans for operational aircraft = Failure.

It matters because it is licensed produced in China and to sell that to any other country they have to seek Russia's permission.

 

[Hasnain2009]

Let the time come, when the indian govt will officially admit the failure of LCA, same as they did with missile tech!!

 

[macintosh]

Let the time come, when the indian govt will officially admit the failure of LCA, same as they did with missile tech!!

Man you are under dellusions as Indian Govt. have neither admitted failure of missile tech. nor are they.Indian missile technology is indeed very sucessfull with most of the envisaged missiles completed and will be soon inducted into Army and are under user trials.By 2013 User trials of Agni III would have been conducted and inducted while Agni 5 tested.

 

[PAFAce]

In whose world??? Pakistan's world.The statement is immature.

Yes, in Pakistan's world, and in the world of anyone who knows something about engineering economics. The Americans offer the best equipment for the price, which is why anyone who has the chance to buy from them does. Take them out, and you have your Russians, French, Europeans and the Chinese. For the functionality it offers, the price of the JF-17 is almost too good to be true. If you search the forums, there have been Indian forum members who have agreed to this, and who have, therefore, earned my respect by not acting like children, unlike some people.

j-10 is going to be much better a may be a true 4.5 gen. fighter.

Agree 100%, but you missed my point. It was about upgradability. You clearly fell through the cracks in the otherwise well balanced Indian education system, didn't you.

 

[macintosh]

Yes, in Pakistan's world, and in the world of anyone who knows something about engineering economics. The Americans offer the best equipment for the price, which is why anyone who has the chance to buy from them does. Take them out, and you have your Russians, French, Europeans and the Chinese. For the functionality it offers, the price of the JF-17 is almost too good to be true.

I also acknowledged that for "the functionality it offers, the price of the JF-17 is almost too good to be true".Read my previous post.
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The JF-17/FC-1 is designed to be a cost-effective aircraft which can meet the tactical and strategic needs of air forces of developing countries.

Agree 100%, but you missed my point. It was about upgradability. You clearly fell through the cracks in the otherwise well balanced Indian education system, didn't you.

Do what you can but china wont upgrade JF17 upto J10 level even with upgrades.And JF17 is for interception mainly i.e. denying air space to enemy not as a front line fighter even with upgrades as you pointed out.You are ambiguous about it's role.Dont presume rely on facts.

 

[Hasnain2009]

Man you are under dellusions as Indian Govt. have neither admitted failure of missile tech. nor are they.Indian missile technology is indeed very sucessfull with most of the envisaged missiles completed and will be soon inducted into Army and are under user trials.By 2013 User trials of Agni III would have been conducted and inducted while Agni 5 tested.

India lags behind Pakistan in missiles-India-The Times of India


Its not Pak's newspaper!!

 

[slugger]

Just a quick note - an inducted and operational JF-17 is definitely 'superior' to a still in development F-35.

in 100% agreement with you

 

[EagleEyes]

It matters because it is licensed produced in China and to sell that to any other country they have to seek Russia's permission.

Yes, and Russia has already signed the contract to deliver to Pakistan and many other countries (dont know exactly how many other).

Besides Pakistan intents to get a better engine perhaps European or the local Chinese one.

 

[EagleEyes]

in 100% agreement with you

Dont get too happy if it is being compared to F-35, which would be an insult.

 

[EagleEyes]

according to the guy who posted stats on engine, weight, thrust, etc...

the lca is lighter and has a more powerful engine so it should be better in performance and prolly better in electronics too

yet the IAF wants a better engine, and there are reports saying lca cant do aoa of something, while the jf-17 can with its inferior engine and heavier weight. that just doesn't make sense.

truth is PAF is accepting jf-17 because they have no other choice, and the IAF isn't accepting lca because they have the MKI which is a beast of an aircraft (5000 km range, 14 hardpoints, 350 km radar, tracks 15 engages 5, TVC, advanced Israeli/French avionics cant get much better than that) , and can wait for the lca block II.

if PAF didn't accept the jf-17, all they would have is the f-16, sure they could buy rafael, eurofighter, or gripen, but they cost too much, and they just cant afford it. if they didn't accept it the world would laugh at them, they would have to operate 30 year old mirages for another 20 years.

however the jf-17 is a very capable aircraft and PAF made the right choice, in the future engine and performance wont matter much, just the electronics. the lca block II will be much better than the jf-17 block II because it will have AESA, EJ-2000, and better electronics. but the lca is meant to be a multi-role, the jf-17 is also multi role but will be used in defense, and wont be used in offensive role.

the IAF seems to be taking a good approach to a/c

heavy: MKI (air dominance)
medium: MMRCA, Mig-29, M2K, Jaguar (strike/air dominance)
Light: LCA (strike/air defense)

PAF on the other hand has this approach

medium: F-16 and J-10 (more capable air defense/strike)
light: jf-17 (air defense)

this means that in the future the IAF will be mainly an offensive force capable of carrying out strikes on almost anyone, same goes with the IN, they are slowly turning into a blue water navy and have that same ambition, the IAF+IN of the future will be very lethal.

Dude, you make no sense.

Your love for LCA is written all over the post. Talk some sense, and with neutrality so people will actually read your post than be done with it after they read two lines, and call it a junk.

JF-17 is a multirole plane and is being marketed as both being able to complete offensive missions with high surviability, and also for key defensive roles to break the enemy's back. IF LCA gets an AESA, and that is BIG IF. PAF will have to recalculate its options for a superior radar, but currently that is no where near the scene hence going for modern cost effective solutions.

 

[Nihat]

"in terms of cost, early availability and supportability”

The first two certainly, and the third is pretty likely.

However those three factors will not determine whether the JF-17 will be superior to the LCA in terms of capability and performance.

+1

cost , early availability and supportability are definatly plus points of JF-17 , no arguments.

Technical capabilities are only known when both aircraft's have at least one full operational squadron.

 

[paritosh]

i dont know what everyone is arguing about???
the three parameters mentioned help the plane's case on land..but in the air it's only the maneuverability(LCA scores)...the weapons(LCA scores again)...range(JF-17 scores) and the avionics(LCA scores)...that matter....so what is the fuss about?