JF-17 Fighter: China's Weird MiG-21 and F-16 Hybrid

[Raider 21]

I understand. I guess I'm the low life being referred to. My latter post was most likely not read.

I appreciate it.

Cheers !!!

 

[BHarwana]

This is a strange discussion and a pointless one. I don't know what anyone here is trying to prove at least will some state the end goal of this discussion?

 

[Mrc]

Does every one knows that mig 21 was best fighter of its generation and f 16 was developed in direct response to it??

 

[BHarwana]

Does every one knows that mig 21 was best fighter of its generation and f 16 was developed in direct response to it??

The Op has a totally flawed history of JF-17.

 

[randomradio]

I understand. I guess I'm the low life being referred to. My latter post was most likely not read.

I appreciate it.

Cheers !!!

No. You are the "Aunt Nancy", I am the "low life scumbag".

Don't sweat it. Many people here like to come to their own conclusions, even if it's far away from the truth. Then they get together and protect that conclusion while insulting all those who disagree with them. It doesn't matter how educated they are, it is the way it is.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I see a resemblance. Mig-21 >> J-7 >> Sabre II >> Super 7 >> JF-17... all directly related.

JF-17 is directly developed from Soviet rejected Mig-33 @randomradio , in saber-2/super7 projects and in JF-17 project there were no connection @randomradio

 

[randomradio]

JF-17 is directly developed from Soviet rejected Mig-33 @randomradio , in saber-2/super7 projects and in JF-17 project there were no connection @randomradio

This is Izdeliye 33 or what you guys call Mig-33. What you call Mig-33 was only a modified Mig-29, which they finally changed to Mig-35 for media traction. So there is no Mig-33, only a Product 33.

What really happened is the Chinese took a Mig-21, put it through various iterations over many decades and finally came out with a bigger aircraft than the Mig-21 with F-16 wings, something that was designed through the Super 7 program with the Americans. Then came the LERX, and that's the JF-17.

Mig was a consultant in the JF-17 program, that doesn't mean the above design was used to develop the JF-17. The JF-17 is a fully indigenous Chinese design (with American help) based on the J-7. And Mig helped add the RD-33 on to the Chinese designed airframe.

The Chinese are not retarded enough to base a "cheap" fighter on a brand new design. What your lot are saying goes completely in contrary to the JF-17's designer Yang Wei's position. He believes in the concept of evolutionary design.

All of China's frontline fighter jets today have come out of the Mig-21.

 

[Ultima Thule]

This is Izdeliye 33 or what you guys call Mig-33. What you call Mig-33 was only a modified Mig-29, which they finally changed to Mig-35 for media traction. So there is no Mig-33, only a Product 33.

What really happened is the Chinese took a Mig-21, put it through various iterations over many decades and finally came out with a bigger aircraft than the Mig-21 with F-16 wings, something that was designed through the Super 7 program with the Americans. Then came the LERX, and that's the JF-17.

Mig was a consultant in the JF-17 program, that doesn't mean the above design was used to develop the JF-17. The JF-17 is a fully indigenous Chinese design (with American help) based on the J-7. And Mig helped add the RD-33 on to the Chinese designed airframe.

The Chinese are not retarded enough to base a "cheap" fighter on a brand new design. What your lot are saying goes completely in contrary to the JF-17's designer Yang Wei's position. He believes in the concept of evolutionary design.

All of China's frontline fighter jets today have come out of the Mig-21.

Correct your history first, project-33 aka mig-33 was single engine version of Mig-29, and as for your information China did purchased project-33 design from Mikoyan and modified according to PAF need, @randomradio

 

[randomradio]

Correct your history first, project-33 aka mig-33 was single engine version of Mig-29, and as for your information China did purchased project-33 design from Mikoyan and modified according to PAF need, @randomradio

There is no single-engine version of Mig-29. Mig-33 is a modernised Mig-29, completely independent from Project 33.

People have a habit of assigning project numbers to the names of aircraft. Like PAK FA T-50 was called Su-50 also.

 

[Ultima Thule]

There is no single-engine version of Mig-29. Mig-33 is a modernised Mig-29, completely independent from Project 33.

People have a habit of assigning project numbers to the names of aircraft. Like PAK FA T-50 was called Su-50 also.

you post that pic that you call Izdeliye 33 was the single engine version of Mig29 here is the article


The name MiG-33 was used twice. The first use was for a single engined light strike fighter intended to be a direct competitor of the F-16, and the second use for the heaily upgraded version of the MiG-29.

The first design of a very light new-generation "strike fighter" was prepared by Mikoyan around 1980, when design work also began on the heavy fighter, the MFI (sometimes known as the 1-42). The result was 'Product 33' powered by a single RD-33 engine from the MiG-29. It was of conventional design, appearing similar to the US Lockheed Martin F-16. This new Mikoyan design, designated Izdeliye 33 (Izd 33) (and variously translated as "Article 33", "Project 33", "Product 33", or "Project R-33"), was of conventional layout and vaguely similar in appearance to the F-16. It was to be powered by a single Klimov RD-33 afterburning turbofan engine - the same engine used by the twin-engined MiG-29.

Although work on Product 33 became well advanced, with extensive wind-tunnel testing was conducted on the design, it was not ordered due to the the Soviet Air Force (VVS) dropped its support for concept about 1986 after a reorientation towards multi-role aircraft - the lightweight Product 33 could be used for close air combat only. The basic Product 33 design was offered by Mikoyan to China as the FC-1 fighter. However, the FC-1 is not a direct derivative of the Product 33 design, and while the wings may reflect Soviet aerodynamic data, the fuselage and air inlets reprsent an entirely rather different configuration.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mig-33.htm


Project 33[edit]
Around 1980, the Mikoyan OKB design bureau began working on a light "strike fighter" that was intended to be a direct competitor to the F-16 Fighting Falcon. This new Mikoyan design, designated Izdeliye 33 (Izd 33) (and variously translated as "Article 33", "Project 33", "Product 33", or "Project R-33"), was of conventional layout and similar in appearance to the F-16. It was powered by a single Klimov RD-33 afterburning turbofan engine – the same engine used by the twin-engined MiG-29. While extensive wind tunnel testing was conducted on the design, no prototypes were built since the Soviet Air Force (VVS) dropped its support for concept about 1986. The program was one of several victims of the VVS’ changing operational needs, financial constraints, and a growing preference for multirole designs.[citation needed][according to whom?]

Influence on the Chengdu FC-1[edit]
Following the cancellation of U.S. and European companies’ participation in the development of the Westernized Chengdu J-7 variant known as the "Super-7", China launched a program in 1991 to develop an indigenous successor to its MiG-21-based design, designated FC-1 ("Fighter China 1"). To expedite its development, officials of the Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAC) or the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) – perhaps both – approached Mikoyan for technical support. In 1998, CATIC purchased Izd 33 design and test information from the Mikoyan design bureau, along with other research and developmentassistance. These designs were used in the development of the JF-17/FC-1by Pakistan and China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-33


so admit it that project-33 is single engine version of Mig-29 @randomradio

 

[HRK]

Are you referring to me on this post ??

oh come on plz read the chain of his posts which lead to this post (link)

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Does every one knows that mig 21 was best fighter of its generation and f 16 was developed in direct response to it??

Not the Finns, which operated both MiG-21 and J35 Draken.
The Draken won most engagements during exercises.
I suggest You contact the Finnish Embassy and inform them that they got it all wrong.

 

[randomradio]

you post that pic that you call Izdeliye 33 was the single engine version of Mig29 here is the article


The name MiG-33 was used twice. The first use was for a single engined light strike fighter intended to be a direct competitor of the F-16, and the second use for the heaily upgraded version of the MiG-29.

The first design of a very light new-generation "strike fighter" was prepared by Mikoyan around 1980, when design work also began on the heavy fighter, the MFI (sometimes known as the 1-42). The result was 'Product 33' powered by a single RD-33 engine from the MiG-29. It was of conventional design, appearing similar to the US Lockheed Martin F-16. This new Mikoyan design, designated Izdeliye 33 (Izd 33) (and variously translated as "Article 33", "Project 33", "Product 33", or "Project R-33"), was of conventional layout and vaguely similar in appearance to the F-16. It was to be powered by a single Klimov RD-33 afterburning turbofan engine - the same engine used by the twin-engined MiG-29.

Although work on Product 33 became well advanced, with extensive wind-tunnel testing was conducted on the design, it was not ordered due to the the Soviet Air Force (VVS) dropped its support for concept about 1986 after a reorientation towards multi-role aircraft - the lightweight Product 33 could be used for close air combat only. The basic Product 33 design was offered by Mikoyan to China as the FC-1 fighter. However, the FC-1 is not a direct derivative of the Product 33 design, and while the wings may reflect Soviet aerodynamic data, the fuselage and air inlets reprsent an entirely rather different configuration.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mig-33.htm


Project 33[edit]
Around 1980, the Mikoyan OKB design bureau began working on a light "strike fighter" that was intended to be a direct competitor to the F-16 Fighting Falcon. This new Mikoyan design, designated Izdeliye 33 (Izd 33) (and variously translated as "Article 33", "Project 33", "Product 33", or "Project R-33"), was of conventional layout and similar in appearance to the F-16. It was powered by a single Klimov RD-33 afterburning turbofan engine – the same engine used by the twin-engined MiG-29. While extensive wind tunnel testing was conducted on the design, no prototypes were built since the Soviet Air Force (VVS) dropped its support for concept about 1986. The program was one of several victims of the VVS’ changing operational needs, financial constraints, and a growing preference for multirole designs.[citation needed][according to whom?]

Influence on the Chengdu FC-1[edit]
Following the cancellation of U.S. and European companies’ participation in the development of the Westernized Chengdu J-7 variant known as the "Super-7", China launched a program in 1991 to develop an indigenous successor to its MiG-21-based design, designated FC-1 ("Fighter China 1"). To expedite its development, officials of the Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAC) or the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) – perhaps both – approached Mikoyan for technical support. In 1998, CATIC purchased Izd 33 design and test information from the Mikoyan design bureau, along with other research and developmentassistance. These designs were used in the development of the JF-17/FC-1by Pakistan and China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-33


so admit it that project-33 is single engine version of Mig-29 @randomradio

Lol. Project 33 was a design which used the engine from the Mig-29. It wasn't a single engine Mig-29. Just look at the design I posted already and compare with the Mig-29.

The Chinese designs have all evolved from the J-7, which in turn came out of Mig-21. This includes the JF-17.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Lol. Project 33 was a design which used the engine from the Mig-29. It wasn't a single engine Mig-29. Just look at the design I posted already and compare with the Mig-29.

The Chinese designs have all evolved from the J-7, which in turn came out of Mig-21. This includes the JF-17.

And these sites are all wrong and you are always right then your TEJ@$$ based on these designs @randomradio

@randomradio keep blabbring without a base @randomradio

 

[IceCold]

Since someone was in a mood to troll and make a connection where none exists, the author forgot to bring F-35 into the mix as well, since after F-35, JF-17 is the only plane to adopt DSI. But wait Pakistan never had F-35 not was there a Soviet Union to deter too for which US might have shared the tech. So question arises how did that ended up in JF-17?