JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[Khan vilatey]

He is right to the extent that Block-III is bigger given the extended wingspan but I agree that, none of us heard about 4 HPs on each wing so in conclusion, we can agree that it might be about DERs now to be used as standard as never seen before. Secondly, in current configuration and wing loading given the space between HPs, DER seems to be the logical conclusion due to the space between HP 1 & 2 and 6 & 7 based upon root strengthening since Block-II. Conclusively, "Bongie" is not just coming from you Sir but I would have been doing the same or in-fact almost everyone.


Nothing is useless as long as you are putting efforts into a subject to make a point and worth it. However, can you slow it down a bit.

I have a configuration questions if we use dual racks what would be the load out In an air superiority configuration:

will it be
Chin jammer
Chin sniper or irst pod like sniper
Centerline - fuel tank
Wing tips short range pl-10e each
Wing Outer pylon two pl-15 each =4
Wing inner pylon two pl-15 each = 4

= 10 missiles

Or will it be
Chin jammer
Chin equivalent of sniper pod or irst
Centerline - fuel tank
Wing tips short range pl-10e each
Wing Outer pylon one pl-15 each
Wing inner pylon one pl-15 each

6 missiles

or final one with a complete missile mix/


Or will it be
Chin jammer
Chin equivalent of sniper pod or irst
Centerline - fuel tank
Wing tips short range pl-10e each
Wing Outer pylon two pl-1each
Wing inner pylon one pl-15 each

this would be 8 missiles

What do you think would be the possible load outs ?

k

 

[araz]

I know they are optional. I am asking are they coming or not?

And how Jeff is planning to last longer in the air with two SD-10s?

I think once you are in an arena and a missile is fired at you, all your energy would be concentrated on defending and escaping that missile. At that time you would jettison any load that you have and head home. This is why I think modern fight with bombtrucks off loading missile after missile would not be seen in a fight between two equal adversaries.
So in short it is a case of firing first and returning to base to reload.
A

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Go search about AL-khalid 2 tank & check since how many decades we are working on it and why its still under development

Do you have stilll a comprehensive problem was i talking on that topic that we can't make or make composites at home for block 3

 

[Metal 0-1]

I think once you are in an arena and a missile is fired at you, all your energy would be concentrated on defending and escaping that missile. At that time you would jettison any load that you have and head home. This is why I think modern fight with bombtrucks off loading missile after missile would not be seen in a fight between two equal adversaries.
So in short it is a case of firing first and returning to base to reload.
A

What???

With how much certainty you can say my first fox-3 is gonna hit it's mark? No one can tell.

This is not how it's works. You don't fire a missile and bug out and return to base to get another one. Sometimes you fire more than one for one target before cranking hard to defend.

 

[arjunk]

Chinese JF-17 models/prototypes can carry dual rack SD-10. But I'm yet to see a PAF plane carry these.

 

[Ghessan]

I know what you are saying, it might be influencing the angle of the inlet to some extent but not the size of the bump. Compare the two bumps in regards to the placement in respect to cockpit, specifically the leading edge of the bumps.

may be i can't notice it and you are right with a good eye.

 

[The Eagle]

I have a configuration questions if we use dual racks what would be the load out In an air superiority configuration:

will it be
Chin jammer
Chin sniper or irst pod like sniper
Centerline - fuel tank
Wing tips short range pl-10e each
Wing Outer pylon two pl-15 each =4
Wing inner pylon two pl-15 each = 4

= 10 missiles

Or will it be
Chin jammer
Chin equivalent of sniper pod or irst
Centerline - fuel tank
Wing tips short range pl-10e each
Wing Outer pylon one pl-15 each
Wing inner pylon one pl-15 each

6 missiles

or final one with a complete missile mix/


Or will it be
Chin jammer
Chin equivalent of sniper pod or irst
Centerline - fuel tank
Wing tips short range pl-10e each
Wing Outer pylon two pl-1each
Wing inner pylon one pl-15 each

this would be 8 missiles

What do you think would be the possible load outs ?

k

Not good at calculating the load since don't have much about PL-15 along with flight parameters; I think configuration may be like 2 PL-15s at a time along with 3 Drop Tanks, given its weight/Size. However, 4 PL-15s could the best configuration given its range that will require only 1 centerline drop tank but that has to be seen.

 

[Viper27]

Not good at calculating the load since don't have much about PL-15 along with flight parameters; I think configuration may be like 2 PL-15s at a time along with 3 Drop Tanks, given its weight/Size. However, 4 PL-15s could the best configuration given its range that will require only 1 centerline drop tank but that has to be seen.

This might be slightly off topic but since the IL-78's are also carrying out cargo ops, won't we require additional tankers with newer jets like Block-3 and (possibly) J-10's arriving?

 

[White and Green with M/S]

I have a configuration questions if we use dual racks what would be the load out In an air superiority configuration:

will it be
Chin jammer
Chin sniper or irst pod like sniper
Centerline - fuel tank
Wing tips short range pl-10e each
Wing Outer pylon two pl-15 each =4
Wing inner pylon two pl-15 each = 4

= 10 missiles

Or will it be
Chin jammer
Chin equivalent of sniper pod or irst
Centerline - fuel tank
Wing tips short range pl-10e each
Wing Outer pylon one pl-15 each
Wing inner pylon one pl-15 each

6 missiles

or final one with a complete missile mix/


Or will it be
Chin jammer
Chin equivalent of sniper pod or irst
Centerline - fuel tank
Wing tips short range pl-10e each
Wing Outer pylon two pl-1each
Wing inner pylon one pl-15 each

this would be 8 missiles

What do you think would be the possible load outs ?

k

No fighter jet can carry 10 or more missiles heavy fighter jets can carry 8 missiles/weapon at max, because if they will carry more than 8 missiles/weapons then they have a drag issue, so all medium and light weight jet can carry only 6 at max

 

[GiG]

No fighter jet can carry 10 or more missiles heavy fighter jets can carry 8 missiles/weapon at max, because if they will carry more than 8 missiles/weapons then they have a drag issue, so all medium and light weight jet can carry only 6 at max

What about this missile-carrying truck?

Boeing's Newest F-15 Packs More Than Two Dozen Missiles

The fighter would likely be a flying magazine for the F-22 Raptor.

www.popularmechanics.com

 

[The Eagle]

This might be slightly off topic but since the IL-78's are also carrying out cargo ops, won't we require additional tankers with newer jets like Block-3 and (possibly) J-10's arriving?

It depends upon mission profile & doctrine or the planning whether PAF will need further Tankers, none or only one can suffice. Not all the time, IL-78 carrying out the cargo ops. PAF knows many ways to compensate the short coming. I am not even referring to J-10s since the lack of evidence of official take so that is not the argument at all. Given the history, we can guess the required number tankers in view of IFR probe seen on jets.

 

[The Raven]

It can't take off from that load, its T/W ratio is to for flight with 12 AAMs, its just a marketing stunt

It's more than capable...

 

[The Raven]

can't take off with this loadout, thrust to weight and lift to drag ratio of F-15 is too low to fly with this loadout, its just a marketing stunt

first pic are for test aircraft, rest you count how many weapons/missile it carried, and last one just a small diameter bombs which has less weight and more streamlined than rest of the weapons that f-15 can carry

Mate, you have a weird sense of logic. So test F-15EX can carry 12 AMRAAMS but actual production version can't? Suite yourself, but it's good for the soul to know when you're wrong.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Mate, you have a weird sense of logic. So test F-15EX can carry 12 AMRAAMS but actual production version can't? Suite yourself, but it's good for the soul to know when you're wrong.

how it be prove that it can fly with 12 missile all you guys posted just it will be the missiles truck for f-22 and 8 AAMs per jets is more than enough for the enemy

 

[Black.Mamba]

Modern air warfare is not my forte but if I go by logic, I do not see a point as to why JF17 should be on steroids carrying 6,8,12 missiles. I believe presently and in the near future the advantage will be with the aircraft which can see first, shoot first and get back home first and can escape if it is being targeted. The concept of Rambo, Chuck norris or Rajnikanth behind enemy lines taking on the entire force only works in movies.

As the famous saying goes "Quantity has a quality of its own", the number of air assets we have in our inventory and the ones we can deploy immediately matters more as compared one single asset carrying 8 missiles, it is not like all the missile can logically be fired. In context of India Pakistan the maximum you can do is fire probably 2 before you are in the enemy crosshairs.

Imagine one aircraft carrying 12 missiles as compared to 6 aircrafts carrying 2 each. Which one is potentially more threatening?