JF-17 at Zuhai Air Show 2010

[MZUBAIR]

Pakistan has confirmed it will buy Chinese missiles and flight systems to equip its 250 JF-17 Thunder jet fighters as it seeks to deepen military cooperation with Beijing, state media said Thursday.

Rao Qamar Suleman, Air Chief Marshal of the Pakistan Air Force, told the Global Times newspaper Chinese radar systems and SD-10 mid-range homing missiles would be used on the fighters co-developed by the two nations.

“PAF has no plans to install Western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being,” the newspaper quoted Suleman as saying.

Pakistan may also buy up to four Chinese surface-to-air missiles, as it seeks stronger cooperation with China to help upgrade its armed forces, Suleman told the China Daily in a separate interview.

He made the remarks on the sidelines of the annual Zhuhai Air Show now under way in southern China.

Chinese defence experts played down the comments, saying any cooperation did not target any country and did not compare with deals adopted during a visit to India this month by US President Barack Obama, the China Daily said.

Pakistan had initially planned on arming its JF-17 fighters with missiles made by French firm Thales SA in a deal reportedly worth 1.2 billion euros (1.6 billion dollars).

But French officials confirmed to AFP in April the deal had been put on hold without explanation. The French daily Le Monde reported that it was cancelled to avoid damaging relations with Pakistan’s nuclear rival India.

China is a strong ally of Pakistan and Islamabad draws heavily on Beijing for its defence and infrastructure needs.

Pakistan’s air force has a fleet of Chinese aircraft, including F-7PGs and A-5s, but also US-built F-16s and French Mirages. The medium-tech JF-17 or Thunder jets, manufactured jointly with China, are a recent addition.

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Indeed a goood decision, Chinees 200 JF17's and American 60+ F-16 Block 52 is a Powerfull combination along with SAAB and Chinees AWACS.
J-10B is a future ....GOOD GOING PAF to narrow the GAP

 

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Why those pilots are fat with bear bellies?
Next stop.....GYM.

 

[SEAL]

I think Air chief was briefed about new Chinese radars and missiles, still i feel 50 JF-17s should have western systems.
News is good no need to spend 1.6bil$ on normal radar like RC-400. If we have to go for western than it must be AESA radar.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Absolutely stunning picture

 

[zeee]

Hi Mr. Zeee. I personally believe this is a very positive development. Buying western equipment puts the PAF and its sister services at the mercy of sanctions. China is more reliable. Yes, Pakistan is very corrupt and it is in a sad state economically right now. As such, given these current constraints, this reinforces this as the best option.

Moreover, this will give the PAF the ability to bring this technology in house. There is no way that France or any other western country would sell the complete technology required to build a BVR AAM, or build an AESA radar, or a turbofan engine to Pakistan. My personal opinion is that this is a very good development. Take care.[/QUOTE]

@ANG
Thanks a lot for guidance.Chinese deal has definitely lot of positives. I am not sure this is the right thread for this kind of discussion. and after yesterdays performance by thunder, it is surely not the occasion. Just a question, if Chinese deal was lucrative and French deal was so bad, then why did we go to France at the first instance?

 

[abaseen99]

Pak to arm new JF-17 fighters with Chinese BVR missiles

Beijing, Nov 18 (PTI) Pakistan will buy Chinese air-to-air SD-10 missiles and avionics to arm its 250 JF-17 Thunder fighter fleet, the country''s air force chief has said, amid signs that the French had spurned offer to equip them.
"Islamabad is seeking to deepen military cooperation with Beijing", Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman Chief of the Pakistani Air Force told the ''Global Times'' revealing that his country may also opt to acquire other advanced defence missile systems including Chinese Surface to Air Missiles (SAM) systems.
Pakistan has opted to go in for full Chinese armament systems for the jointly developed fighters and Suleman currently on a visit to China told the paper that the advanced active radar and homing middle-range missile developed by China, called the SD-10 will become the standard Beyond Visual Range (BVR) weapon of the JF-17.
"PAF has no plans to install western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being", Pakistani Air Force Chief said.
''Global Times'' quoting unnamed sources claimed that the French consortium has withdrawn from a reported 1.2 billion euro contract to supply radars and missiles for the first wave of 50 JF-17 fighters, after pressure from India.
French sources had reported that a joint bid had been made by French aeronautic company ATE along with Thales Group and MBDA.
The paper said that Pakistan may also buy upto four batteries of the Chinese SAM missiles.
The Pakistan Air Force Chief is currently on a visit to China to attend the Zhuhai Air Show now underway in southern China, where the JF-17s were a major attraction.
The SD-10 (ShanDian-10) is a radar guided air-to-air missile developed by China in 2002. The Red Air Force has inducted these missiles in 2007 and the ones being supplied to Pakistan would be the missiles first exports.
SD-10 is said to be a variant of Italian Aspide missiles supplied to China in late 80s.
Pakistan Air Force has a big fleet of Chinese made fighters including F-7PGs and A-5s. The medium technology JF-17 or Thunder jets manufactured jointly with China are a new addition to PAF.

 

[abaseen99]

PAF has no plans to install Western devices and weapons on the aircraft for the time being," Suleman was quoted as saying of the JF-17s during this weeks Airshow China 2010 in the southern city of Zhuhai.

Pakistan was also interested in Chinese-made precision-guided bombs and advanced missile systems, including surface-to-air systems, he said.

In a separate interview in Zhuhai with the China Daily newspaper, Suleman said Pakistan was evaluating the advanced Hongqi-18 and several other Chinese surface-to-air systems.

The PAF had also taken delivery of the first of four Chinese ZDK-03 airborne warning and control system (AWACS) planes last week, he told the China Daily.

The latest JF-17 Thunder, known in China as the FC-1 Xiaolong, was shown in Zhuhai and had attracted interest from up to eight other nations, the Flightglobal website reported from the air show.

Pakistan had already confirmed orders for 50 JF-17s and had 14 of the fighter planes in operation, the website said.

China had "talked with many customers" during the design phase of the JF-17 and was willing to include technology transfer in any deals, it quoted Zeng Wen, vice-president of Chinas state-run military aircraft marketing arm, as saying.

Suleman told China Daily that the PAFs production of JF-17s was "on a very fast track" with plans to raise the total number of assembled planes to 25 by the end of the year.

"There is no shortage of trust and no shortage of will" between the Chinese and Pakistani military, he said. "There will be more projects developed successfully."

Beijing-based military strategist Peng Guangqian told China Daily that the expanding military cooperation between China and Pakistan would have "almost no effect on the balance of military power between Pakistan and India", particularly since India had recently signed a major defence deal with the US.

 

[zeee]

Why those pilots are fat with bear bellies?
Next stop.....GYM.

Fat bellies to create extra room for installing lion's hearts in 'sherdills'

 

[Brotherhood]

China in talks to sell fighter jets to 8 countries - People's Daily Online November 18, 2010

China is in talks about selling the FC-1 fighter jet to eight countries, Flightglobal.com reported Wednesday.

According to the website, Zeng Wen, vice-president of the China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC), revealed they are in discussions with up to eight countries about sales of FC-1 (Fighter-China-1), or Xiaolong. But he declined to name which countries.

Potential buyers include Egypt, Sri Lanka and Venezuela, according to the website. The Chinese PLA Air Force could also be a potential customer.

It also said Pakistan has confirmed orders for 50 FC-1s. And Zeng believes the eventual sale will reach 200 due to its low cost.

FC-1, or JF-17 Thunder in Pakistan, is a Pakistan-China joint production designed as a replacement for several existing types of fighter jets including RSK Mic-21, Dassault Mirage 5, Northrop F-5 as well as the homemade Nanchang A-5 and Chengdu F-7.

Source:chinadaily.com.cn

 

[abaseen99]

Airshow China 2010, held from 16 – 21 November in Zhuhai will showcase the importance of the country to the international aerospace industry, with a slew of indigenous aircraft produced by Chinese companies reflecting their ambitions. Here is a glimpse of Pakistan Air Force presance at Zhuhai. Other than JF-17, Pakistan eyed on J-10, who will be joinging their fleet in near future. Chinese officials indicated that it would also develop new versions of the type. A B-model aircraft has already been proposed, with this to have a thrust-vectoring engine and an active electronically scanned array radar. Moreover, China is likely to accelerate the modernisation of its fighter fleet over the next decade, and is looking to induct additional indigenous aircraft and order new types from Russia. A naval version of the J-10 is also on the cards, with sources saying that China hopes to get its aircraft carrier programme up and running in the next decade. But with an indigenous naval fighter expected to take too long to develop, China is reportedly negotiating with Russia’s Rosoboronexport arms agency for an interim batch of 48 Sukhoi Su-33 fighters. Pakistan Air Force has sent their aerobatic team “Sherdils” to fly with K-8 trainers and JF-17 Thunder fighter aircrafts at the airshow.


Static JF-17 at Air Show China - Zhuhai 2010

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is to send three JF-17 (shown above) Thunder fighters to Airshow China 2010 at Zhuhai. Following the type’s international debut at this year’s Farnborough International Airshow in July when two aircraft attended the static display, the PAF is to send an additional aircraft to Zhuhai to take part in the flying display.

Pakistan acrobatic teamSherdils used K-8 advanced trainers, were bought to replace the Sherdils’s aging T-37 trainers.



Other highlights of the show includes the display of BP-12A (shown below) long-range, GPS guided rocket, This new BP-12A VLS rocket system has a module warhead design that can fit different munitions in accordance to different mission profiles. Its SY400 based motor propels it to a range up to 400 KM, making it one of the longest, non-Ballistic, rockets available today.



In recent years several aircraft have caught the eye of Western observers. In addition to the J-11B, which is reportedly comparable with classic Boeing F-15s, the fighter receiving the most attention is the Chengdu J-10 (shown below), said to be similar to the F-16. Bitzinger believes that China will eventually induct around 300 J-10s and 300 J-11s.



JF-17&#8242;s Potential in Market

Furthermore, China is in discussions about selling the Chengdu Aircraft/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder fighter to up to eight countries.The third-generation, single-engine fighter, which was jointly developed by Pakistan and China, is being pitched as a replacement for several existing types. These include the RSK MiG-21, Dassault Mirage 5, Northrop F-5 and Chinese models, such as the Nanchang A-5 and Chengdu F-7. Three Pakistan air force JF-17s, along with a number of other Pakistani aircraft, are in Zhuhai and a JF-17 participated in the flying display. There were also around 170 officials from the service at the show.

 

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[abaseen99]

 

[ANG]

Hi Mr. Zeee, you are welcome. In a previous post you wrote the following "Just a question, if Chinese deal was lucrative and French deal was so bad, then why did we go to France at the first instance?"

One cannot deny that France has a very time-tested and mature avionics market. France has excellent Helmet Mounted Display sytems, ECM systems, etc. Pakistan might have simply been trying to cut down the development time, and also make the JF-17 more credible for exports. However, this is only my theory.

I am glad though Pakistan is sticking with Chinese systems, and expecially avoiding the RC-400 radar. The PAF should put an AESA radar in the next JF-17 block. Take care.

 

[abaseen99]

 

[krash]

Thanks Zeee, I used to think "HUD" is mounted inside helmet and data is projected on the helmet screens.. hehe..

by the way, what is that technology called which points the gun at target as pilot looks at it? That is usually found in Helicopters I suppose. I think that kind of information is projected on the helmet. Is it so?

like these...

and also the HMDs are in use, or will soon be, on the JF-17, the new block 52+ we got and will also be integrated on the MLUed f-16s of ours (as far as my limited knowledge tells me.... a senior member plz enlighten us further)

cheers