Jesus won’t save you — President Xi Jinping will, Chinese Christians told

[Chhatrapati]

so... essentially China is a democracy.. glad more people are starting to realize that

Xi's China is as democratic as Stalins Russia.

 

[Solomon2]

so... essentially China is a democracy.. glad more people are starting to realize that

Popular support is not the same as democracy.

Mao used his personality cult as a murderous tool of control. We don't know if Xi will - but he seems to be seizing all the instruments of power Mao used for his calamitous reign.

I had thought the cult of personality had died with Mao, that no Chinese would tolerate it ever again. But the flush of great wealth from decades of Capitalism has fueled a nationalism appearing akin to that of 19th & 20th-century Germany, and a consequent opening for a dictatorship to embody it.

It seems very serious yet the Chinese mind is not the same as that of Europeans or South Asians. Xi knows, without stating it, that there are limits.

 

[Gibbs]

Oh, I'm not calling your country North Korea style politics. It has become less party oriented and more person oriented. As Xi consolidated powers on an unprecedented level, who knows, odds are he needs popular support to continue his reign. And for that he needs a cult or fan following.
Clap your hands

Mate politically populist leaders like XI, Putin or Modi all try have image building trends and it’s not only reserved to developing nations even in so called democratic Westbit happens from Kennedy to Reagan and Thatcher from Obama to Merkel they all do it

But in all honestly there no society out there that hero worship as much as Indians do, From your Bollywood and Tamil film actors to Cricketers to politicians, And possibly the biggest personality cult that’s going on in the world is Modi or NaMo as you’ll call it.. No need to go far just go through the near veneration of him in this very forum by majority of Indian posters.. So I think this subject needs to be viewed in context

 

[kris]

@mods

This is really unfortunate
Some one has removed my post saying it's off topic .
I just pointed how atheists used to work during Soviet times.

Neither did it's off topic, disrespectful nor trolling

I want my post to be reinstated

 

[ranjeet]

Where is Chinese John dayal?

 

[Zsari]

Then why is the Chinese government so afraid of religions ?

Because religion doesn't give a damn about Chinese people's welfare? The question answers itself.

 

[gambit]

Because religion doesn't give a damn about Chinese people's welfare? The question answers itself.

That still does not explain why the Chinese government MUST persecute religions.

I do not care about your welfare, so you must fight me ? That make no sense.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I guess Chinese government is trying to crackdown on Christianity in China.

It is their internal affairs.

 

[mike2000 is back]

do you want to live in a robotic society where kids get run over by cars and no one stands to help? HELL NAW!!

That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion.
You are talking as if the most religious counties on earth are the most pious, moral etc. That's the opposite if you look at it carefully. Which countries are the most corrupt, chaotic, dishonest, greedy, selfish even among their own people? Having been to many countries(as a tourist mostly) from Europe to Asia to Australia to Africa to the middle east to south America I will say that the countries who were most corrupt even publicly, chaotic were mostly the most religious ones in subsaharan africa and middle East and south Asia to a lesser extent.

 

[HannibalBarca]

That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion.
You are talking as if the most religious counties on earth are the most pious, moral etc. That's the opposite if you look at it carefully. Which countries are the most corrupt, chaotic, dishonest, greedy, selfish even among their own people? Having been to many countries(as a tourist mostly) from Europe to Asia to Australia to Africa to the middle east to south America I will say that the countries who were most corrupt even publicly, chaotic were mostly the most religious ones in subsaharan africa and middle East and south Asia to a lesser extent.

Found it too in Religious part of Europe too... like Italy /spain and Eastern Europe and the US... and in some extent even more than those "other" countries you traveled too...

the Thing ppl fail to graspt is that throughout history.. atheism or paganism were the "savage" less civilized ones... Child sacrifice -Cannibalism etc... and Religion gave the limits that we know of today...

Yesterday atheism has no equivalent in our modern age...

 

[mike2000 is back]

Found it too in Religious part of Europe too... like Italy /spain and Eastern Europe and the US... and in some extent even more than those "other" countries you traveled too...

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It's in every region in the world. However, it varies in degree, and I found out that some of the 'most religious' ones in the regions I mentioned were the worse in this regard. Maybe we had different experiences.

the Thing ppl fail to graspt is that throughout history.. atheism or paganism were the "savage" less civilized ones... Child sacrifice -Cannibalism etc... and Religion gave the limits that we know of today...
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That again might be disputed by many. However, even so, my point that religion played a minor role is valid to some extent. The main culprit as always is mankind itself. Human beings are greedy, wicked, and power hungry by nature. If you don't adopt a system that curtails, restrains and controls our greed and bad behaviour(to an acceptable level) then it will flourish irrespective of how religious the country is. So I don't think we can say because of religion human beings will be less greedy, selfish or power hungry. Only the system/institutions/accountability and in some cases punishment can limit that, Period.

 

[Solomon2]

“Many poor households have plunged into poverty because of illness in the family. Some resorted to believing in Jesus to cure their illnesses,” Qi said. “But we tried to tell them that getting ill is a physical thing -

I'm not an expert but I think Christian Scientists are the only Christian sect that believes in that sort of thing. I don't think they are a major part of the scene: one obit I read referred to the death of a prominent follower who refused treatment as, "another victim of Christian Science."

 

[HannibalBarca]

It's in every region in the world. However, it varies in degree, and I found out that some of the 'most religious' ones in the regions I mentioned were the worse in this regard. Maybe we had different experiences.

Yes.

That again might be disputed by many. However, even so, my point that religion played a minor role is valid to some extent. The main culprit as always is mankind itself. Human beings are greedy, wicked and power hungry. If you don't adopt a system that curtails, restrains and controls our greed and bad behaviours then it will flourish irrespective of how religious the country is. So I don't think we can say because of religion human beings will be less greedy, selfish or power hungry. Only the system, institutions can limit that, Period.

Here an exemple.
If Islam didn't appeared back in the days... they will be no Scientific golden age under the Islamic empire...and therefore our modern days as we know will "at least" willnot exist right now... and everything that will follow...

Why you may ask? The answer is simple...
In Islam, Science and the research of knowledge IS one the most important side of it... Tbh you can't even label yourself as a Muslim without seeking knowledge... God himself ask and will reward the ones who seek it...

I can understand that with today conflicts and bastards running around in the name of Islam it'is smtimes hard to believe it... but it is...

In the ENd , the answer is the same... Religion maybe perfect... but Humans aren't...

 

[Dungeness]

That still does not explain why the Chinese government MUST persecute religions.

I do not care about your welfare, so you must fight me ? That make no sense.

Because that made China the safest country in the world, without violent religious/sectarian conflicts. Being a nonreligious person yourself, why do you have such a strong interest in religious issue in China? Is it in your best interest to see a constitutional atheist country turned into religious battleground?

China is doing just fine without a dominant religion, thanks for your concern.

 

[Solomon2]

Because that made China the safest country in the world, without violent religious/sectarian conflicts.

By no means do ALL forms of religion endorse conflict. What you have to watch out for are the supremacists who are out to replace everyone else with their own.