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Jerusalem was conquered from the Ottomans 98 years ago today!

Well looks like you have read your history. The British Raj armies recruited primarily Punjabi and Pashtuns. All the Pashtuns were from Pakistan province called today Khyber Pakhtunkwa ( formerly NWFP ) and about half of Punjabi were from the Punjab (West ) in Pakistan and were of course Muslim. The other half from Punjab (East ) is in India today and were Sikhs.

The fact is overwhelming numbers of British Indian Army were recruited from a tiny corner ( North West ) India. I am not going to go into the reasons here. Names of regiments gave away their orgins - Frontier ( Pashtun Muslims ), Punjab ( many Punjabi Muslims ) or Baloch mix of both. These regiments now form the Pakistan Army.

http://www.csas.ed.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/48674/WP24_Shaheed_Hussain.pdf

Good paper.

Let's have a few articles and commentary on the subject. I'll start with this:

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The need for the closest friendship between Britain and Israel

We must recognize that Israel’s values are Britain’s values, Israel’s fight is Britain’s fight and Israel’s peril is Britain’s peril.
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A JEWISH solider stands guard outside a building days after the British Mandate ended in 1948. (photo credit:REUTERS)


Ninety-eight years ago tomorrow (December 11) General Sir Edmund Allenby entered the Holy City after defeating the Ottoman forces in the Battle of Jerusalem. This was one of Britain’s great victories in the First World War and a much-needed uplift for our national spirit, reeling from the 300,000 casualties sustained in the Battle of Passchendaele in Belgium that ended the previous month.

This anniversary reminds us of the shared history and values of Britain and the State of Israel; and, with the perils we face in the world today, of the need for the closest friendship between our two countries.

According to Lieutenant General Sir George Macdonogh, director of British military intelligence during the Great War, Allenby’s conquest of Palestine in 1917 and 1918 was made possible by the Jewish intelligence network, Nili. Led by the distinguished botanist Aaron Aaronsohn and his sister Sarah, Nili took tremendous risks to pass vital information on the Turks to Allenby’s forces. Some, including Sarah, sacrificed their lives to help the British.

Within Allenby’s army was the Jewish Legion: the 38th, 39th and 40th Battalions of The Royal Fusiliers, which had been raised in the British Army to fight the Ottomans. Formed and led by British Christian officer Lieutenant Colonel John Patterson and Russian Zionist leader and soldier Ze’ev Jabotinsky, the Legion was made up of Jews from Britain, the US, Palestine, Russia, Canada, Argentina and the Ottoman Empire. They fought valiantly in battles to the north of Jerusalem and in the Jordan Valley.

The Jewish Legion was the first formed Jewish fighting force since the Maccabees, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called John Patterson the godfather of the IDF.

Another British officer who helped shape the future IDF was Major General Orde Wingate. As a young captain in Palestine in the 1930s, he taught Jewish communities to successfully fight off the marauding Arab gangs that were trying to brutalize and murder them and drive them from their land. He instilled in the Jewish defenders the need for violent aggression against the enemy, tempered by scrupulous respect for non-combatants, two attributes that distinguish the IDF to this day.

Had he survived the Second World War, David Ben-Gurion planned to make Wingate, a British Christian officer, the IDF’s first chief of staff.

Britain can be proud of these early examples of friendship and mutual cooperation. What followed, however, was a national disgrace.

Britain deliberately failed in the mandate it had accepted from the League of Nations to implement the 1917 Balfour declaration that called for a Jewish national homeland in Palestine. Motivated by a desire to appease and inveigle the Arabs, successive British governments saw to it that this homeland was not established under their rule.

Even after the persecution of the Jews had begun in earnest by the late 1930s in Nazi Germany, Britain continued its policy of appeasement of the Arabs by enforcing illegal restrictions on the immigration of Jews from Europe into Palestine. To our eternal shame, this policy sealed the fate of thousands of Jews who consequently perished in the Holocaust. Their blood is on our hands.

It was these actions, arising from Arab rejection of a Jewish presence in their own historic homeland, that drove that most honorable Jewish leader, Menachem Begin, to resort to attacks on British forces in Palestine during the late 1940s. Even in this desperate situation Begin’s Irgun maintained a level of restraint and proportionality in its actions not seen in a violent insurgency before or since.

After the war, Britain’s treatment of Jews trying desperately to get to Palestine having escaped the Nazi killing factories was nothing short of barbaric; motivated by anti-Semitism as well as continued appeasement of the Arabs. It included incarcerating the wretched survivors of Nazi extermination camps and even sending some back to Germany as a punishment for non-cooperation.

When the UN voted on the 1947 partition plan, granting a homeland to the Jews in Palestine, Britain abstained, signaling her continued animosity to the Jews and support for the Arab nations that intended to crush the fledgling Jewish state.

Despite Britain’s monstrous treatment of the Jews and their state in such recent memory, Israel has consistently maintained the spirit of Nili and the Jewish Legion and remained a true and steadfast friend of our country, especially in the fields of defense and intelligence.

For example only last month, the Mossad passed intelligence to the British government about an Islamist terrorist plot to down aircraft flying out of Sharm e-Sheikh in Egypt, which led to the cancellation of flights until security could be re-assessed. This is just one of the many occasions on which Israel has provided Britain with intelligence that saved the lives of our civilians and soldiers.

It is a two-way and wide-ranging relationship. Many British soldiers are alive today because of Israel’s willingness to share the unrivaled technology and techniques it has developed in its continuous fight against terrorism.

Both of our countries need this friendship today more than at any time in the past. The Nazis are long gone, but the world faces another, at least as dangerous, ideology of hatred. Radical Islam shares many of the attributes of Nazism, including ethnic supremacy, rampant anti-Semitism, intolerance and violent persecution of minorities, ambitions for global conquest, deliberate and unrestrained use of terrorist tactics, a fanatical and dangerous willingness to sacrifice themselves for their beliefs and contempt for diplomacy and peaceful dialogue.

If the Islamic State or al-Qaida ever gain a substantial power base they will commit genocide on a large scale, already previewed in the way they deal with Christians and other religious groups in territory they control.

In the face of this evil, European countries appear to have learned none of the lessons of the Third Reich.

Again they seek to appease those who would attack and subjugate us. Again they turn on the Jews, with the Jewish state always singled out for special discrimination.

Britain is also guilty. Despite some of the tightest military and intelligence relationships between any two countries, Britain’s political stance toward Israel, while frequently positive, is too often spineless, unprincipled and unjust. Like other European nations, and in line with our past policies, Britain continues to prioritize appeasement of Arabs and its own predominantly anti-Israel Muslim communities above support for the Jewish state. This is compounded by the influence of a dominant media often intensely biased against Israel.

For example, only this week the knife-wielding violence that has been plaguing Israel’s streets revisited London when an Islamist terrorist slashed at three passengers in an east London tube station, screaming: “This is for Syria.” The British media has shown none of the moral equivalence and understanding for this attacker that has been exhibited toward Palestinian knifemen hacking at Jews in Israel, yet ultimately the motivations are identical.

It is time for Britain to repudiate this weak and morally bankrupt behavior. We must not repeat our treachery against the Jews in the 1930s and ‘40s. We must recognize that Israel’s values are Britain’s values, Israel’s fight is Britain’s fight and Israel’s peril is Britain’s peril. Above all we must remember the example of Nili and Allenby a century ago, and understand that success in this fight depends on unity and common cause with the Jewish state, not the division between us that our enemies strive for.

Colonel Richard Kemp headed the international terrorism intelligence team in the British Prime Minister’s Office and commanded British forces in Afghanistan. Jasper Reid is a British analyst specializing in politics, defense and international security.


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And it was because of this event that Iqbal penned " Open are the armies of Gog & Magog, Let the Muslim Eye look towards the meaning of the word yansiloon"
 
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Let's have a few articles and commentary on the subject. I'll start with this:

ShowImage.ashx


The need for the closest friendship between Britain and Israel

We must recognize that Israel’s values are Britain’s values, Israel’s fight is Britain’s fight and Israel’s peril is Britain’s peril.
ShowImage.ashx

A JEWISH solider stands guard outside a building days after the British Mandate ended in 1948. (photo credit:REUTERS)


Ninety-eight years ago tomorrow (December 11) General Sir Edmund Allenby entered the Holy City after defeating the Ottoman forces in the Battle of Jerusalem. This was one of Britain’s great victories in the First World War and a much-needed uplift for our national spirit, reeling from the 300,000 casualties sustained in the Battle of Passchendaele in Belgium that ended the previous month.

This anniversary reminds us of the shared history and values of Britain and the State of Israel; and, with the perils we face in the world today, of the need for the closest friendship between our two countries.

According to Lieutenant General Sir George Macdonogh, director of British military intelligence during the Great War, Allenby’s conquest of Palestine in 1917 and 1918 was made possible by the Jewish intelligence network, Nili. Led by the distinguished botanist Aaron Aaronsohn and his sister Sarah, Nili took tremendous risks to pass vital information on the Turks to Allenby’s forces. Some, including Sarah, sacrificed their lives to help the British.

Within Allenby’s army was the Jewish Legion: the 38th, 39th and 40th Battalions of The Royal Fusiliers, which had been raised in the British Army to fight the Ottomans. Formed and led by British Christian officer Lieutenant Colonel John Patterson and Russian Zionist leader and soldier Ze’ev Jabotinsky, the Legion was made up of Jews from Britain, the US, Palestine, Russia, Canada, Argentina and the Ottoman Empire. They fought valiantly in battles to the north of Jerusalem and in the Jordan Valley.

The Jewish Legion was the first formed Jewish fighting force since the Maccabees, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has called John Patterson the godfather of the IDF.

Another British officer who helped shape the future IDF was Major General Orde Wingate. As a young captain in Palestine in the 1930s, he taught Jewish communities to successfully fight off the marauding Arab gangs that were trying to brutalize and murder them and drive them from their land. He instilled in the Jewish defenders the need for violent aggression against the enemy, tempered by scrupulous respect for non-combatants, two attributes that distinguish the IDF to this day.

Had he survived the Second World War, David Ben-Gurion planned to make Wingate, a British Christian officer, the IDF’s first chief of staff.

Britain can be proud of these early examples of friendship and mutual cooperation. What followed, however, was a national disgrace.

Britain deliberately failed in the mandate it had accepted from the League of Nations to implement the 1917 Balfour declaration that called for a Jewish national homeland in Palestine. Motivated by a desire to appease and inveigle the Arabs, successive British governments saw to it that this homeland was not established under their rule.

Even after the persecution of the Jews had begun in earnest by the late 1930s in Nazi Germany, Britain continued its policy of appeasement of the Arabs by enforcing illegal restrictions on the immigration of Jews from Europe into Palestine. To our eternal shame, this policy sealed the fate of thousands of Jews who consequently perished in the Holocaust. Their blood is on our hands.

It was these actions, arising from Arab rejection of a Jewish presence in their own historic homeland, that drove that most honorable Jewish leader, Menachem Begin, to resort to attacks on British forces in Palestine during the late 1940s. Even in this desperate situation Begin’s Irgun maintained a level of restraint and proportionality in its actions not seen in a violent insurgency before or since.

After the war, Britain’s treatment of Jews trying desperately to get to Palestine having escaped the Nazi killing factories was nothing short of barbaric; motivated by anti-Semitism as well as continued appeasement of the Arabs. It included incarcerating the wretched survivors of Nazi extermination camps and even sending some back to Germany as a punishment for non-cooperation.

When the UN voted on the 1947 partition plan, granting a homeland to the Jews in Palestine, Britain abstained, signaling her continued animosity to the Jews and support for the Arab nations that intended to crush the fledgling Jewish state.

Despite Britain’s monstrous treatment of the Jews and their state in such recent memory, Israel has consistently maintained the spirit of Nili and the Jewish Legion and remained a true and steadfast friend of our country, especially in the fields of defense and intelligence.

For example only last month, the Mossad passed intelligence to the British government about an Islamist terrorist plot to down aircraft flying out of Sharm e-Sheikh in Egypt, which led to the cancellation of flights until security could be re-assessed. This is just one of the many occasions on which Israel has provided Britain with intelligence that saved the lives of our civilians and soldiers.

It is a two-way and wide-ranging relationship. Many British soldiers are alive today because of Israel’s willingness to share the unrivaled technology and techniques it has developed in its continuous fight against terrorism.

Both of our countries need this friendship today more than at any time in the past. The Nazis are long gone, but the world faces another, at least as dangerous, ideology of hatred. Radical Islam shares many of the attributes of Nazism, including ethnic supremacy, rampant anti-Semitism, intolerance and violent persecution of minorities, ambitions for global conquest, deliberate and unrestrained use of terrorist tactics, a fanatical and dangerous willingness to sacrifice themselves for their beliefs and contempt for diplomacy and peaceful dialogue.

If the Islamic State or al-Qaida ever gain a substantial power base they will commit genocide on a large scale, already previewed in the way they deal with Christians and other religious groups in territory they control.

In the face of this evil, European countries appear to have learned none of the lessons of the Third Reich.

Again they seek to appease those who would attack and subjugate us. Again they turn on the Jews, with the Jewish state always singled out for special discrimination.

Britain is also guilty. Despite some of the tightest military and intelligence relationships between any two countries, Britain’s political stance toward Israel, while frequently positive, is too often spineless, unprincipled and unjust. Like other European nations, and in line with our past policies, Britain continues to prioritize appeasement of Arabs and its own predominantly anti-Israel Muslim communities above support for the Jewish state. This is compounded by the influence of a dominant media often intensely biased against Israel.

For example, only this week the knife-wielding violence that has been plaguing Israel’s streets revisited London when an Islamist terrorist slashed at three passengers in an east London tube station, screaming: “This is for Syria.” The British media has shown none of the moral equivalence and understanding for this attacker that has been exhibited toward Palestinian knifemen hacking at Jews in Israel, yet ultimately the motivations are identical.

It is time for Britain to repudiate this weak and morally bankrupt behavior. We must not repeat our treachery against the Jews in the 1930s and ‘40s. We must recognize that Israel’s values are Britain’s values, Israel’s fight is Britain’s fight and Israel’s peril is Britain’s peril. Above all we must remember the example of Nili and Allenby a century ago, and understand that success in this fight depends on unity and common cause with the Jewish state, not the division between us that our enemies strive for.

Colonel Richard Kemp headed the international terrorism intelligence team in the British Prime Minister’s Office and commanded British forces in Afghanistan. Jasper Reid is a British analyst specializing in politics, defense and international security.


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And then a secular Britain implemented the Balfour declaration to create a Jewish homeland. All while pissing off the Arabs (Muslims and Christians alike).

The Arabs expressed disapproval in November 1918 at the parade marking the first anniversary of the Balfour Declaration. The Muslim-Christian Association protested the carrying of new "white and blue banners with two inverted triangles in the middle". They drew the attention of the authorities to the serious consequences of any political implications in raising the banners.
 
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Conquered from the Ottoman. And now look in what state the entire region is in lol.
 
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In the long term, we are all dead - John Maynard Keynes
Einstein you need quantum mechanics to know or a reference a name as unrecognisable for me as you yourself. But the death is what every one believes even the atheists despite all refusal, death is reality in their face that they cannot refute it.
 
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Einstein you need quantum mechanics to know or a reference a name as unrecognisable for me as you yourself. But the death is what every one believes even the atheists despite all refusal, death is reality in their face that they cannot refute it.

That you do not know who John Maynard Keynes is reflects on you, not on me. He is the most famous economist of the 20th Century, on whose works a major part of global economic decision-making is based. You should get out of your war delusions for some time and actually learn something about the world that you live in. War delusions can wait for later.

As for the eventual re-capture of Jerusalem, let's see -

Yom Kippur War:

Belligerents

Israel

vs

Egypt
Syria

Expeditionary forces:

Iraq
Jordan
Saudi Arabia:enjoy:
Algeria
Cuba
Morocco

Supported by:

Libya

Six Day War:

Israel

vs

Egypt
Syria
Jordan
Iraq
Lebanon

Supported by

Algeria
Kuwait
Libya
Morocco
Pakistan :lol:
PLO
Saudi Arabia:enjoy:
Sudan:undecided:
Tunisia

And the result in each case? A crushing Israeli victory.

It seems you will have to wait for a really long time. Find something to do in the meanwhile.
 
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That you do not know who John Maynard Keynes is reflects on you, not on me. He is the most famous economist of the 20th Century, on whose works a major part of global economic decision-making is based. You should get out of your war delusions for some time and actually learn something about the world that you live in. War delusions can wait for later.

As for the eventual re-capture of Jerusalem, let's see -

Yom Kippur War:

Belligerents

Israel

vs

Egypt
Syria

Expeditionary forces:

Iraq
Jordan
Saudi Arabia:enjoy:
Algeria
Cuba
Morocco

Supported by:

Libya

Six Day War:

Israel

vs

Egypt
Syria
Jordan
Iraq
Lebanon

Supported by

Algeria
Kuwait
Libya
Morocco
Pakistan :lol:
PLO
Saudi Arabia:enjoy:
Sudan:undecided:
Tunisia

And the result in each case? A crushing Israeli victory.

It seems you will have to wait for a really long time. Find something to do in the meanwhile.

lol They really suck at war.:rofl:

We should support Israel , if not only because they are the most developed/advanced/productive/democratic and forward looking country in the region but also because they are surrounded by far bigger enemies who want/pray day and night for their death/eradication. So we stand by Israel:
 
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lol They really suck at war.:rofl:

We should support Israel , if not only because they are the most developed/advanced/productive/democratic and forward looking country in the region but also because they are surrounded by far bigger enemies who want/pray day and night for their death/eradication. So we stand by Israel:

The whole world has played footsie with the Palestinians to please the GCC, appease domestic Muslim voters, satisfy the liberal audience, political correctness, or just for the sake of good old anti-Semitism. It is nauseating to see those who wish for the extermination of an entire state/race being painted as "victims".
 
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Jerusalem has changed hands many times during its long turbulent history , its not quite over yet , not quite the last hurrah
 
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It was not easy fighting against
British Empire

an exhausted army and empire fighting at many fronts. We defended very well and maybe if there was full local support this would not have happened. At the end the result it Israel that was created with arab support. That is why I always say, palestine has nothing to do with us. Arabs created Isreal.
 
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...At the end the result it Israel that was created with arab support. That is why I always say, palestine has nothing to do with us. Arabs created Isreal.
The Caliphs had given the Zionist project a lot of thought for quite some time: they rejected it, unless the Arabs became disloyal. So in the Treaty of Sevres the Jews received the Caliph's discharge and the Zionist project his blessing. The Arabs were also discharged but enjoined to maintain the Jews' rights and property throughout the Middle East - yet they did not do so, the new dictators and kings expelling their Jews and distributing Jews' property to build their base of dictator-supporters. It was the "original sin" of the 20th-century freed Arabs and set the stage for further conflicts.
 
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The Jews didn't capture Jerusalum , they stole it

Much later after the First World War , by the end of the second in 1948 , the British empire was crumbling so Ben Gurion declared unilaterally the creation of Israel after buying land from the Arabs , the Arabs sold the lands not so a new state could be made out of it

Imagine if someone buys 1000 acre land in some country and the declares it to be a new state

So not quite the hurrah for the British empire that got dissolved and not quite the hurrah for the land thieves either who are now spinning stories just to be seen as a legitamte entity
 
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By the way, in the British mideast campaign against the Ottomans there were numerous "Indian" units - at least two entire divisions of cavalry, who helped whip the Ottomans at Megiddo, capture Haifa, and conquer Damascus. The Brits recruited primarily from the India's "martial races" - mostly Muslims from Punjab.

I assure you no muslim from Pak Punjab joined it, people were hanged for not obeying orders of the British cuz they refused to fight fellow Turkish muslims, many left for Turkey on horseback to fight for Ottomans & later for Turkish war of independence, women gave their jewellery as donation for Turks. I have met people in Pak, who served in Italy , Burma, but i once again can assure you no unit from West Punjab joined, yes Sikhs were there, but they were from the Indian (east)Punjab, British weren't fools , they understood the religious sensitivities, once before religion had played a role in war of independence 1857, they weren't crazy to send Muslim punjabi troops there !!!
 
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