Jerusalem attack: Four dead after lorry driver rams soldiers

[Vincent Alvares]

International Laws (Geneva Convention) are for ALL signees.
All soldiers in the Swedish Army gets trained on what is legal/illegal according to the Conventions.
I assume most professional armies does the same.
Western Armies are prosecuting soldiers found to be vioating the Convention.

Palestinians are continuously violating many chapters in the Geneva Convention.
Israel takes the Geneva Convention seriously and have changed behaviour
many times after beeing criticized by the Red Cross.
Israel prosecuted the soldier shooting the Palestinian in the gåhead, and found him guilty.

When was the last time a Pakistani was court martialed for war crimes vs India?

The legal situation in the West Bank is complex to say the least, and Israel has
their own opinion, which is obviously not shared by the UNSC.
Problem with a pure legal approach, is that it is not likely to end up in a fair solution.
That is why the UNSC resolution was put forward.



Muslim Kosovo was created this way after the Orthodox Serbs were driven out.

Palestinians have the right to fight back, but not the right to commit war crimes while doing so.

And it's kinda ironic that you referring Palestine as a Muslim country...FYI, Palestine/Filistien/land of kanan predates Islam.

 

[The Sandman]

International Laws (Geneva Convention) are for ALL signees.
All soldiers in the Swedish Army gets trained on what is legal/illegal according to the Conventions.
I assume most professional armies does the same.
Western Armies are prosecuting soldiers found to be vioating the Convention.

Palestinians are continuously violating many chapters in the Geneva Convention.
Israel takes the Geneva Convention seriously and have changed behaviour
many times after beeing criticized by the Red Cross.
Israel prosecuted the soldier shooting the Palestinian in the gåhead, and found him guilty.

When was the last time a Pakistani was court martialed for war crimes vs India?

The legal situation in the West Bank is complex to say the least, and Israel has
their own opinion, which is obviously not shared by the UNSC.
Problem with a pure legal approach, is that it is not likely to end up in a fair solution.
That is why the UNSC resolution was put forward.

israel is continuously breaking each and every international law they never cared about those laws and they never will.
Convict soldiers and than demand for their pardon?
Pakistan has court martialed a lot of it's soldiers but we never committed any war crimes against india so why we should court martial anyone? btw this was completely offtopic by you.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Read up on Kosovo...

I have read up quite a lot on that thank you very much.

Jews entered the Ottoman Empire and when Arabs complained, their complaint were found
to have zero merit. All Jews entering the Ottoman Empire are thus legal immigrants.
British Mandate initially encouraged Jews to enter Palestine, those Jews are there legally.
Then the British Mandate blocked Jews from entering, and there were a number of Jews entering the Mandate
illegally, some with help from british not agreeing with the ban.
Arabs started persecuting Jews already before the ban, in the 1920s.
The situation deteriorated with Irgun and the Stern Gang contributing to the mess.
The British got tired and decided to leave.
The UN then decided that the best solution to the problem was to create two states,
and this was not accepted by the Arabs which invaded.
Israel declared its Independence.
After the armistice, the part of Palestine that remained in Arab hands was annexed by Jordan.
The Jews that entered the Mandate illegally, were accepted as citizens in Israel,
thus making their presence legal.

If You do not accept this, show which law was broken, by any Jew entering the area.

Why do you continue? I have already debunked this.


Why are you jumping everywhere with no citations or facts?

Ottoman Empire? British Mandate? U.N?


Stop jumping everywhere Israeli.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Israel is moving on with it's Greater Israel Plan with total Impunity. Jews are in complete control of western foreign policy. Arabs are busy killing each other.Russia/China/rest of the world doesn't care.
So, how should Palestinians Fight back?

The "Greater Israel" plan does not exist.
Certainly right wing Israelis would like control over the full West Bank,
preferably without any Palestinians, but that is about it.
That is not the Greater Israel as described in conpiracy theories.
Left wing Israelis have been prepared to negotiate a deal which seems fair a few times,
but Palestinians have always rejected a compromise.

Palestinians are allowed to fight back within the limits of the Geneva Convention obviously.

 

[Vincent Alvares]

Read up on Kosovo...

I have read up quite a lot on that thank you very much.

Jews entered the Ottoman Empire and when Arabs complained, their complaint were found
to have zero merit. All Jews entering the Ottoman Empire are thus legal immigrants.
British Mandate initially encouraged Jews to enter Palestine, those Jews are there legally.
Then the British Mandate blocked Jews from entering, and there were a number of Jews entering the Mandate
illegally, some with help from british not agreeing with the ban.
Arabs started persecuting Jews already before the ban, in the 1920s.
The situation deteriorated with Irgun and the Stern Gang contributing to the mess.
The British got tired and decided to leave.
The UN then decided that the best solution to the problem was to create two states,
and this was not accepted by the Arabs which invaded.
Israel declared its Independence.
After the armistice, the part of Palestine that remained in Arab hands was annexed by Jordan.
The Jews that entered the Mandate illegally, were accepted as citizens in Israel,
thus making their presence legal.

If You do not accept this, show which law was broken, by any Jew entering the area.

Like I said do some genuine readings...not Zionist version that was made in Hollywood.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

The "Greater Israel" plan does not exist.
Certainly right wing Israelis would like control over the full West Bank,
preferably without any Palestinians, but that is about it.
That is not the Greater Israel as described in conpiracy theories.
Left wing Israelis have been prepared to negotiate a deal which seems fair a few times,
but Palestinians have always rejected a compromise.

Palestinians are allowed to fight back within the limits of the Geneva Convention obviously.

Than tell Israel to follow international law.

The following is a list of United Nations resolutions that concern Israel as of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by United Nations Human Rights Council since its creation in 2006—the Council had resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council

Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms

https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm


Why should Palestinians follow the geneva conventions if Israel refuses to follow international law?


The fact of the matter is that the Palestinians drove a bus into a armed group of soldiers. It's horrific but it was done because of Israel.

 

[Krishnan]

Balochistan isnt occupied its a part and parcel of Pakistan with free and fair elections

The west bank and East Jerusalem is occupied territory as declared by international law and security council resolutions

That is the difference between terrorism and resistance

Right, and Israelis feel the same way about their country as you feel about Balochistan.

I feel his background puts him in opposition to the muslims of the world hence it would explain the support for brutal israeli occupation

Free speech should allow me to express that view

That's being prejudiced against someone just because of their faith. No different from a Islamophobe judging Muslims through the lense of xenophobia and racism.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

israel is continuously breaking each and every international law they never cared about those laws and they never will.
Convict soldiers and than demand for their pardon?
Pakistan has court martialed a lot of it's soldiers but we never committed any war crimes against india so why we should court martial anyone? btw this was completely offtopic by you.

That is your opinion, while professionals testify that no army is doing more to protect civilians than IDF.
Example is dropping warning bombs on targets to allow civilians to evacuate before destroying the target.
When Israel started the blockade vs Gaza, they did not create a list of contraband.
This is required, but after criticism, the list was created.
Plenty of examples on how IDF adopt their warfare to meet Geneva Convention rules

You brought Kashmir into the discussion, so You are the one derailing.
I disagree with your statement that Pakistan has not committed any war crimes,
but let any Indians take up the ball.
Pakistani war crimes in Bangla Desh are maybe more obvious.

 

[Krishnan]

As if i give a flying fck about this kind , i do that
Pdf allows me to say what i want to say mods here are much fair unlike these closet jihadis / isis mind sets .. idiots like these are just haters they have no say , nothing logical except pure religious hate

Unfortunately people like that are the reason Pakistan has a bad image and can't become a progressive and liberal society like America or Britain (ironically the country he chose to move to).

It's hypocritical how he's defending a terrorist attack in the name of fighting Israeli oppression while himself spewing hate against a religious minority (Ahmadis).

 

[Krishnan]

IDF in East Jerusalem = Pakistani/Chinese soldiers in India. What would you do if you were under Military Occupation for more than 6 decades by some foreign forces?

I wouldn't resort to terrorism and cause severe backlash against my own people.

You do know that this incident will cause severe IDF raids on innocent Palestinians? For every one Israeli killed hundreds of Palestinians will be targeted.

There are peaceful methods to winning, just look at the examples of Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King.

 

[The Sandman]

That is your opinion, while professionals testify that no army is doing more to protect civilians than IDF.
Example is dropping warning bombs on targets to allow civilians to evacuate before destroying the target.
When Israel started the blockade vs Gaza, they did not create a list of contraband.
This is required, but after criticism, the list was created.
Plenty of examples on how IDF adopt their warfare to meet Geneva Convention rules

Are you really serious? dropping warning bombs really how much time do you think those civilians would've before escaping? that's like standing in the middle of an open ground and telling someone that hey i am gonna shoot you just a few min before shooting him ''adopting their warfare to meet geneva convention rules'' how by bombing and killing 4 kids who were just playing on the beach? israel is committing crimes against humanity stop justifying and defending them already.

You brought Kashmir into the discussion, so You are the one derailing.
I disagree with your statement that Pakistan has not committed any war crimes,
but let any Indians take up the ball.
Pakistani war crimes in Bangla Desh are maybe more obvious.

'71 war is a different topic more crimes were committed by the IA and mukti's than PA.

Than tell Israel to follow international law.

The following is a list of United Nations resolutions that concern Israel as of 2013, Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by United Nations Human Rights Council since its creation in 2006—the Council had resolved almost more resolutions condemning Israel than on the rest of the world combined. The 45 resolutions comprised almost half (45.9%) of all country-specific resolutions passed by the Council

Israel’s Settlements Have No Legal Validity, Constitute Flagrant Violation of International Law, Security Council Reaffirms

https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm


Why should Palestinians follow the geneva conventions if Israel refuses to follow international law?


The fact of the matter is that the Palestinians drove a bus into a armed group of soldiers. It's horrific but it was done because of Israel.

@A.P. Richelieu

 

[hussain0216]

International Laws (Geneva Convention) are for ALL signees.
All soldiers in the Swedish Army gets trained on what is legal/illegal according to the Conventions.
I assume most professional armies does the same.
Western Armies are prosecuting soldiers found to be vioating the Convention.

Palestinians are continuously violating many chapters in the Geneva Convention.
Israel takes the Geneva Convention seriously and have changed behaviour
many times after beeing criticized by the Red Cross.
Israel prosecuted the soldier shooting the Palestinian in the gåhead, and found him guilty.

When was the last time a Pakistani was court martialed for war crimes vs India?

The legal situation in the West Bank is complex to say the least, and Israel has
their own opinion, which is obviously not shared by the UNSC.
Problem with a pure legal approach, is that it is not likely to end up in a fair solution.
That is why the UNSC resolution was put forward.



Muslim Kosovo was created this way after the Orthodox Serbs were driven out.

Palestinians have the right to fight back, but not the right to commit war crimes while doing so.

Kosovans are on their own land, in their own homes, amongst their own people

How is thst comparable to israel which declared a state upon the homes snd lands of a existing people

East Jerusalem and West Bank has been declared Palestinian territory, all settlements have been declared void

If your expecting Palestinians as a oppressed population to keep to the rules of the Geneva Convention then allowing israel to flaunt international law and continue building settlements and keep the Palestinians in glorified internment camps on their own land is even more repugnant you are underestimating the will to survive of the Palestinians

Right, and Israelis feel the same way about their country as you feel about Balochistan.
.

What the Israelis feel means balls

Balochistan is a internationally recognised part of a democratic Pakistan where the people are allowed to vote for their politicians and leader.


East Jerusalem is internationally recognised by international law and security council resolutions as OCCUPIED TERRITORY belonging to Palestine

The people of the west bank are abused and imprisoned in ghettos ruled over by israel and they have no right to vote or ask the Israelis to leave

 

[Falcon29]

I wouldn't resort to terrorism and cause severe backlash against my own people.

You do know that this incident will cause severe IDF raids on innocent Palestinians? For every one Israeli killed hundreds of Palestinians will be targeted.

There are peaceful methods to winning, just look at the examples of Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King.

Uh, it's not terrorism, armed troops were targeted, not in Israel, in the West Bank, occupied territory. Where Israel conducts illegal mass civilian transfer. And no, there will be no 'raids', you're clearly misinformed and are confusing the West Bank with Gaza, where an organized militant group exists and controls Gaza. In this case, there are no Palestinian military elements, Israel controls it, and it was individual and not collective action. The PA in the West Bank pursues peaceful strategy and has no control over some individuals.

We are arguing with you people here over numerous misrepresentations, not over what strategy should be pursued. Some of you claimed this is terrorism, when it's not. And some of you tried making associations, which can't be made. And some of you tried drawing parallels, where there are none.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

There are peaceful methods to winning, just look at the examples of Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King.

You seriously think they haven't tried that? Israel is not Great Britain, It's more like Russia under Stalin. If you protest, you are put down.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tah-al-sharif-dead-hebron-death-a6987341.html

https://www.rt.com/news/367466-gaza-protest-idf-palestinian-killed/

https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=773079

https://www.almasdarnews.com/articl...test-near-border-israel-palestinian-official/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-18149573

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NMwohMhP10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPMaVYdEEsw


If you were in their shoes, maybe you wouldn't see it as a terrorist attack.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Are you really serious? dropping warning bombs really how much time do you think those civilians would've before escaping? that's like standing in the middle of an open ground and telling someone that hey i am gonna shoot you just a few min before shooting him ''adopting their warfare to meet geneva convention rules'' how by bombing and killing 4 kids who were just playing on the beach? israel is committing crimes against humanity stop justifying and defending them already.

'71 war is a different topic more crimes were committed by the IA and mukti's than PA.


@A.P. Richelieu

Warning bombs are dropped on military targets with enough time to leave the building.
Before the warning bomb, often leaflets are dropped informing people in advance.
I am not aware of any other army adopting such procedures.

The Geneva Convention does not consider killing civilians at a military target a war crime.
The use of civilian housing for military purposes renders the house a military target.

Israels investigation of the Gaza war claims that the kids were in an area known to be used
by Hamas Naval Police, and the kids were not identified as such.
Some journalists close to the incident disagree but has not been heard.
ICC has not completed their investigation of the Gaza war.
It is too early to conclude what happened.

Israel and Palestinians were named by the Goldstone report for possible Crimes vs Humanity.
Since then, Richard Goldstone has withdrawn the accusation vs Israel, but not vs Palestinians.
Are You defending Palestinian Crimes vs Humanity?

I was not asking if India or Bangla Desh. I was asking Pakistan has court martialled any soldiers
as a result of the undeniable war crimes in the 1971 war.
It is about throwing stones in a glass warehouse or not.

Kosovans are on their own land, in their own homes, amongst their own people

How is thst comparable to israel which declared a state upon the homes snd lands of a existing people

East Jerusalem and West Bank has been declared Palestinian territory, all settlements have been declared void

If your expecting Palestinians as a oppressed population to keep to the rules of the Geneva Convention then allowing israel to flaunt international law and continue building settlements and keep the Palestinians in glorified internment camps on their own land is even more repugnant you are underestimating the will to survive of the Palestinians

"kosovans" are in many case actually Albanian immigrants and are occupying what Serbians consider the core of their nation.
Serbians have been forced to flee since Christians have been persecuted over several hundreds of years
by Muslims so Yes, it is a good comparision.