Don't just think US needs an army base in SL. Their interests in the region is much wider and strategic which catering to their demands. If US has no interest on Sri Lanka they wouldn't have bothered about our issues. Just think how many are killed in countries around the globe, does US care about those? You talk like a teenager. I did not expect that from you.
By mentioning army base, I gave you an example. If the US meddling into SL is only about US interests, MR would have catered to those interests and avoids US’s bad influence. When I mentioned about Cabraal and writing to top US magazines, I meant MR tried to serve US interests and get their support. It did not work that way that’s why. And that MR doesn’t toe US’s line and that is why we are being pressured is a false one. There are other facts as well.
The notion that US have interests in SL is over estimated. There are some interests but not the SOLE thing that influence US-SL relationship. The strategic partner of US in Asia is India on this side and Japan in the other side. They don’t need SL. That is why US is not giving any carrot to SL.
Yes many are killed around the world and US consider them as HR violations and work against them if they do not affect US interests. SL case is such case. US doesn’t have any big interests here and thy do not need to tolerate SL leaders. That is why they do not care what MR or Cabraal says. Some idiots in SL place SL’s strategic value far high. That leads to wrong calculations, which is what we see now happening.
Then what is the reason US pressurize SL? The obvious anti-democratic practices and gover’s don’t care attitude towards minorities. This is ONE reason. US will ignore them if SL serves any interests to them as they do with countries with far worse HR like KSA. The point is strategic interests is NOT a big thing in SL-US relations.
The second issue is Separatist lobbies in west have invested in American politicians. They have lobby groups. As US have no interests in SL to listen to SL leaders, the lobbying of S works. MR has already ruined relationship with US diplomats like Robert Blake and the current one. There are personal problems between MR and Blake. The one who pay for MR’s egoistic handling of American officials is the country as a whole. And among the S lobbying they have invested a lot in Hilary. Remember them collecting funds for Hilary for her election campaign. These things’ results surface now. The result is SL leaders have NO say in US policing regarding SL while S(seperatists) has.
And the other in media war, MR has lost. Western media are against him. Because MR has given tools for western media to exploit against him, like anti-democratic practices and bad governance.
Another important aspect in S lobbying is it has a Catholic section, fathers. In US catholic evangelist lobby is a powerful one. Though Sinhala is a multi-religious group, S has successfully advertised Sinhala is Buddhist while they are not. That is one reason why we lost the votes of Catholic Lathin America. And since end of war in SL there are a lot of news in media Buddhist monks vandalizing and hate preaching against catholic places of worships making S’s propaganda easy. These are the things that made SL-US relations go down. This gov is continuously shooting at their feet.
US was in SL’s side during war. Understand why they have turned around.
That is why we need a new approach. We need a gentleman like man to put in front. S criticizing MR in media and S criticizing Ranil in west will have two different reactions. Ranil is looked at as a non-communal leader, while MR is not.
That does not mean we have to succumb to any other country for support. If we have problems we will sort it out here. There are answers to every problem, the only thing is that we have to seek the answer.
The problem is we do not sort it out. MR and the gang has not even tried to sort them out. After getting such criticism and condemnation for illegal CJ impeachment, what did he do to ease the situation? Appointed another one of his stooges in a top position in judiciary! Is this learning and sorting out problems?
We are faced with many problems in economy. Read PB’s warning? But has this gove learnt a lesson? NO. even these days gov is trying to hold those Dayata Kirula which serve NO purpose but huge wastages.
He hasn’t learnt a lesson in Hamanthota port, Mattala, Nelum pokuna and continuing in nelum kuluna. The biggest problem with MR is he doesn’t learn a lesson and take corrective actions.
Look at Hambanthota incident few months ago. In a moment when this man is getting condemnation for thuggery and dictator like actions around world with resolutions against him, he sent thugs in hambanthota to beat UNP mps. If MR had even a small brain he would have let the MPs to do their job or punish the culprits in their side.
And his way of protecting the rapist in Tangalle case..All these things make S’s propaganda real. MR has NO brain to realize that. It is the problem.
Yeah like you I want a democratic, free and phosphorous country but I do not believe that we can create such a country by following any other country's example or by only taking their advice. Our country is unique as the rest of the countries of the world. We have to figure out what is the best for our country and what is not. No outsider to our society can tell us what we need best.
No one is saying what is best for us simply because whether we go down as a country or not, doesn’t matter to them. Free speech, democracy, free judiciary and free police works good for the people in this country, not for anyone else. That is why we should work for them. A country without proper governance is a weak country subject to meddling by others. Sadly SL today is that thanks to MR’s stupidity. The reason we ask for an independent judiciary is S can say lankakn judiciary cannot handle war crime investigations. But if judiciary in SL can we would be better off. That is why destroying judiciary for one’s own short term gain (MR’s) is disastrous for him in the long run and for the country.
US values highly on civil liberties and democracy. But that is only for their country. They do not give damn about civil liberties and democracy of other countries. I do not think I need to give examples. I believe that you know about it very well.
Yes they do not give a damn about other’s IF that is needed for US interests. That is why US talks about civil liberties in SL while ignoring that in Iraq. Anyone will sympathies a victim if that doesn’t affect one’s interests. That is the natural law. We can’t cry ‘ehema ottu na’ but work understanding that reality.
So has he succumb to the US demands? Have he done as what they say? That is why we need to stay vigilant.
MR will have to when he allow international investigations here. MR is not in a position not to do that. Especially economically. We have to stay vigilant from seperatists not US. US is not after SL, Seperatists are. Seperatists use US to influence us. We have to win back the US to defeat the seperatists. It is simple as that. US don’t ask us to do difficult things but few things like independent judiciary and proper governance. Don’t confuse the enemy. Our enemy is NOT US but S.
If we have to accept US demands for a long term victory over S, there is no harm in it. We once did like that which was useful for us. A good thinking leader understands the realities and work with it. MR is not doing that.
There are nothing good with US policies towards us. It is better that we stay out of it.
How easy would it be if we can stay out? Gove used this since US brought the first resolution against us and now cornered. As a developing country we cannot afford to make US an enemy or have no relations. If you think so, you are being childish. US is the superpower and china is not even close to it. We can’t ignore US.
Then why did US help us during the war? What changed it? Lets look at the reason and correct it and win their support again. That is the correct way of handling these things. If Wimal idiots way of ignoring US won’t help SL but rather will help S to gain upper hand over us more. We are in a race to get US support with S. MR’s policies will make sure we lose that race.
Why do you think pro LTTE political parties are getting bold now? The obvious reason US support. We need to have a person which west like to balance things off.
MR never had any affection from USA. Even before the war when MR was contesting for presidential elections US took the side of RW. So it is obvious that US to go against MR. So do we need to choose our leaders according to US requirements? Why not welcome the US ambassador to run our country?
If US can affect us, we need to patch up with US. It is simple commonsense. Are not you a grown up boy? If in your school there is a big bully and you re weak, the best thing is to make peace with him. Going against him will land you in a worse place. These are simple common sense.
And is your point that as MR is not good with US, we let MR to take down SL along with him?
Geo politics and specially politics of a country faced with separatism is a difficult task. And especially when S has huge support bases in many countries. We need allies around the world. And specially the support of the biggest power is a nonnegotiable one and their support for our enemy is the last thing we want.
What do you think if RW won against MR, would US ditch every thing they have done and stand behind SL thus isolating the lobby groups? I think that you do not understand the true nature of the issues.
To a certain extent yes. US listen to RW more than they listen to MR. RW has a good PR there and even among media which we want now and what MR lack most. Things won’t change drastically but S’s lobbying power will diminish.
And as RW knows the importance of independent judiciary and good governance he understands the danger in ruining these which unfortunately MR doesn’t realize. Once good governance is established, SL as a country would be stronger and can face threats in a better way. TNA fighting with MR and TNA fighting with RW have two different effects. RW is seen as a person who did a lot to bring peace facing LTTE barbarism.
That is why US later helped to restructure SL army during RW’s short period. RW was getting ready for war. US was in his side then. We need to bring back that relationship again.
Another thing we have to destroy TNA or weaken it. We cant use bullets. But the biggest strength behind TNA is US and India listening to them. US is more likely to trust TNA more when MR is in power while it is not the case with RW.
I can sum up as "ranging from natural resources like water to strategic issues like our position in the IOR."
SL is not a country with natural resources. What can US do with water in SL? Bottle it and send to US? That is not enough for even 20% of US. And our strategic location is not useful for US as they have Diergo Garcia. And India serves that interest as well. S’pore is a probable another option.
Good that you googled for it at least now.
The reasons for Ranils failure can be mainly attributed to the failed peace process. But his economic policies such as scaling down the public sector, whole sale privatization of public institutions and reduction in welfare spending resulted also in his downfall. Any sane politician who has lived among people would not have committed such grave mistakes.
That is if that politician does not care about the economy and only about the number of votes he get in next election.
Given the dangerous situation this country is in, economically we need to scale down Public sector hugely and privatize nonprofit making public institutions like SriLankan, winding up useless Mihin. And also take urgent actions to save petroleum corporation and power sector in this country. Look at what MR has done to power generation in SL. Disaster!
And of course lessen welfare spending. When you have NO money in your pocket, you obviously have to cut down your expenses. That is not a big deal. I personally know during RW’s time wastages in ministries were reduced with extra effort.
If RW is responsive to what others think he should have given up his leadership years ago. The same issue shows how irresponsible he is to others until he get what he wants. Do you really vote for such a person?
The reason he doesn’t go is he has support among members in UNP and there is no leader in UNP. Sajith is not suitable. If his tendency to stick into UNP leadership so long and his way of getting what he wants is what makes you not to vote for him, how do you vote for MR? MR does the same to SL with disastrous implications to our law and order, judiciary and constitution. And do not care when his party members take the rule to their hands and destruct law and order in SL. At least RW’s actions doesn’t affect the country.
And RW is a clean fellow. He doesn’t take bribes and doesn’t steal. Compare that with MR, the commission king ping!
Ending the war is the first step towards the unity. If we hadn't won the war or continue fighting we would have never achieve unity. Do you understand that?
Do you see as we have achieved unity? Ending the war means managing the separatist issues and winning the tamil public. Instead of winning the tamil public MR has lost on other minorities as well. In reality SL has not won a war but dragged the country to pre war situation that we had in pre 80s. If MR considered importance of unity for even a cent he will not make national anthem Sinhala only listening to wimal idiot and his followers like you.
At least he did what he said. Ending the war. Hasn't he?
Yeah and ended the war but worsened the situation. SL gov is in a more difficult situation after war. During war it was against LTTE and of course against LTTE SLG had the moral upper hand. With LTTE out of the picture, SLG is looked at as the worse party and with good reasons. What is the point of winning a war and making the separatists gain? Is that victory? Defeating LTTE is good and we are thankful for that, but that doesn’t mean we should let MR to ruin the country on behalf of Prabha.
Yeah right. RW is elected democratically is due to the fact UNP working committee is full of his henchmen. If RW has gone for a open election among his party membership RW would be defeated.
NO. If you take any general election, RW is the one who gains highest number of votes. Some party members might dislike him but majority prefer RW. The educated ones prefer RW and not anyone else.
The saying goes that man is measured by his doing. Be that he is a beggar or a king.
And didn’t he perform when he was PM in SL? How can you measure him without giving him a chance? I have given MR a chance for 10 years and he has been a disappointment especially after 2010.
Who says that a leader of a country should listen to the demands and concerns of intellectuals in this country? That is not democracy. The leader of the country should listen to the demands and concerns of the majority of the general public even though they are wrong. That is the democracy.
If the majority is wrong then country is in disaster ne. You have no idea what democracy means. Majority in SL opted for 56 language policy wasn’t that a disaster? Every country that is successful has a strong, rational intellectual crowd that steer the country in right direction. MR doesn’t listen to them. He thinks winning war will make him president every time and invincible. That is his first stupidity and of course yourse too.
The duty of the intellectuals are to convince the general public about what is wrong and what is right. Even though the leader of the country could ask for the assistance of intellectuals in running the country. But even then the leader is responsible for what he do and in the end he should face the verdict of the public whether the public is right or wrong.
Yes intellectuals should convince the public and the politicians both. That doenst happen in this country and even when intellectuals advise the politicians they ignore them. Because politically is it disadvantageous to them. What is happening with MR.
The correct decision is not always the popular one.
Are you implying that CJ or political rivals of MR is above the law just because they are CJ or political rivals of MR? If any one has broken the law they have to face the consequences.
CJ has not broken the law as MR says. But it was obvious to everyone what was happening and that CJ impeachment was done because CJ didn’t toe MR’s line. That is why! Don’t come up with gover’s excuses for CJ’s impeachment. The sole reason MR impeached CJ is because she didn’t abide by MR’s demands.
If CJ is not above the law and it was only the so called corruption of Shirani B what it mattered then how come a worse person was appointed to that post? Your notion that she is not above law is an empty argument because the new appointee by MR has worse charges.
The whole world witnessed what MR did and condemned. Even MR’s supporters in Commonwealth like Kamalesh Sharma found it difficult to defend MR.
Though you do not realize this is the biggest problem of MR and its followers. You try to defend the indefensible and lose the credibility. It doesn’t matter how you or even wimal tried to explain CJ impeachment was wrong and illegal. No one with a sane mind can defend it.
I do not have faith in full democracy as some portray. No country in this world is not 100% democratic. I just support MR because he try to protect the national interests of SL. Any other major political leader in SL has shown any indication that they do that up to now. Many leaders like RW are actually afraid of the idea of protecting or safeguarding national interests of SL.
How do you see MR protecting national interests in SL?
Weakening economy? How can a country with economic disaster stand up to its national interest? Can a beggar challenge anyone? If MR wants to protect national interests he wont destroy SL’s economy like he does now.
What national interests does MR protect?
I didn’t say every country is democratic 100%. If I say you are healthy it doesn’t mean you are 100% healthy. But it means democratic traditions are strong which we want in SL. I know you don’t care for democracy for the simple reason MR does not care. A country with no democracy is a country with poor governance. Such a country has problems among its people and thus a weak, unstable country. How is that protecting national interests?
If MR cares for national interests he should be protecting democracy in SL.
Indian sent 100,000 strong army by force. They made us agree to a resolution by force. They invaded our airspace with active provocation. Does it any less dangerous than not bringing up resolutions.
Yes more dangerous but properly managed (with some issues) unlike the case now. The problem I have is with the way things being managed.
As he uncle RW is believing in US that US will come to our aid when we are in trouble by siding with US. But as we have seen 1980s US didn't even give damn about us.
US won’t some to SL aid, and china and Russia too won’t. By patching up with US we are avoiding the support for separatists. Also in modern age threats do not come from invasion alone. The acceptance for separatism among west is alarming. We need to stop that.
And why RW still cling on to a markets that has economically fallen down. Why has not RW made any progressive headway with emerging economic giants such as India and China? Do you want us to sell tea and apparels to EU/US every day?
In Ranil’s period he tried to enter markets like India. He said India to SL provides an opportunity like China to Hongkong and that we should use the opportunity offered by india. To which your idiot wimal started reacting like an idiot saying Hongkong is a part of china ignoring the economic aspect of what RW said.
And just look at how empty your argument is? RW was in power only 1 and half years. And MR has been in power like 10 years what has he done to make ‘progressive headway’ in china and india? Having indian owned companies here and taking loans from china is not ‘progressive headway’.
And US and EU are not falling down markets. China and india’s markets are also west. China sell their stuff to the west. Most of our products that we send to west and mid east have manufacturers and competitors in india and china. So we cant sell them our products for the obvious reason they have them there.
No we should not sell tea everyday to US and EU. That is why I asked you what new industry MR has come up with for the last 10 years and SLFP for the last 20 years? Other than relying on garment sector brought by unp?
Well China is. Russia is. And India too is in our side. So why do we need US?
Because china, Russia will back off in front of US in SL. SL is not crimea for Russia. Russia gets no big strategic value by being with SL to go to war with US and stand against them. Countries work based on their priorities. And same can be said about China. That is why Chinese diplomats have told Lankan counter parts that SL has to help china to help SL. That means SL should position itself in a manner china can help SL. Going against US is not the way to that.
India is not a reliable case. India has a large Tamil Nadu. So you cant expect favorable india forever. Indian Policies towards SL can be volatile with TN influence. The only reason India was away from S was LTTE. The moment LTTE is out of the picture S can get close to India. Use your brain. You talk about national interests then talk about relying on india nad china.
What about removing the scenarios and internal issues in SL and steer the country in the right direction without giving tools for the external parties to exploit?
The supportive US stance during the war was due to US Secretary of state Condoleezza Rice. She influenced US policy makers to be on softer policy for SL.
No. It was the republican policy as a whole and disgust towards terrorism US had after 9/11. Also US identified SL as a democratic country following US model of presidency. US saw common things with us. Now we have none like that.
US opposed us in 2009. Does that due to MR’s anti democratic rule and attack on civil institutions like judiciary? or his broken promise on power devolution?
No, it is the strong lobbying of S and of course because of Britian. Remember S started to access and lobbying power in Democrats in US way before. Remember S for Obama? By anti-democratic rule and attack on civil institutions like judiciary MR has proved S is right about him and it further deteriorated US-SL relationship. US politicans knows next to nothing about SL. They believe lobby groups and media and what embassies say. And when attack on civil institutions are known it gives a good opportunity to attack SL for the S. This is common sense though you failed to grasp.
And again we need civil liberties not because US want them here because as citizens we want them here. MR destroy the country, economy, dictatorship, no law and order any gov goon can attack anyone in the road and rape any girl and get away with that. No one like to stay in such a country. Look at how people are emigrating. To have a country we need people. Most of the educated youth are emigrating. It is an exodus. MR has created an environment of NO HOPE unless of course you live with your brain not functioning.
If US wants to weight behind separatists let them do it. We could have the strength to live through the consequences because we are a sovereign nation. I do not know about you but any free and sovereign person might understand what I said.
I don’t know whether to laugh and cry at this. I can only blame Karma or god for being generous towards SL when distributing idiots. In the current world, an economically weak country with internal strife can’t be sovereign and free. IF US puts its weight behind S we need to stop that. If you look around MR is doing everything to prevent India from putting its weight behind S. Does that look like soverign and free?
To not give others a chance we should solve our matters. The problem is MR is NOT (Look at this word NOT) solving issues but deteriorating the current situation. IF MR goes along with the way he currently performs we are gonna get screwed idiot. Your cardboards written with free and sovereign can do shit.
When I said gover would bring 13A whether you like it or not, you said you will not let that happen and bring down the gov. What did you do? Did you do anything that would make MR troubled at least more than he is troubled by his own fart.
No one created the suitable conditions. With the formation of UNF government the conditions were naturally made. It wasn't a genius of RW. Even if UNP contested under a scarecrow SL economy would have become plus value. That is economics not politics.
Wow explain that economics. If economics work like that countries would not need economic policies and economic management at all. Tho danna economics! Gon modaya! Are you saying MR is worse than a scarecrow?
Then why did not those conditions naturally come before Ranil came to power? Some kind of magical conditions that come into being naturally but only when ranil came to power.
Go and read what you yourself typed idiot, you said Ranil, scaled down public sector, privatized public ins and cut down welfare. These things helped to manage finance better. It is the utter and irrational spending and wastage of CBK that was stopped by Ranil and the same wastage of MR that is ruining SL.
SL needs Ranil or more importantly get out of MR like never before.
The same reason I say we need ranil because conditions will set in naturally to save this country from wastages like mattala, mega cabinet, hambanthota, divi naguma.
It was due to the fact that until the attack on Katunayake airport SL economy was at plus level. Once it was attacked it went to the minus figure. That was because the international embargo on travel to SL, reluctance of international insurances companies to insure logistics to SL, the crash of the stock market and lack of investors' will to invest in SL.
A strong economy would sustain them and how did it reverse so soon when Ranil came to power? Did insurance companies started insuring again and were embargos lifted? One thing I agree with you with Ranil coming in, stock market started picking up again because business community and investors have trust in Ranil. The truth you cant hide.
When ranil wins SL stockmarket function very well when SLFPer wins it loses a lot. Do google search more.
