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Japanese ate Indian PoWs, used them as live targets in WWII

Their "weakened army (which was allied with the Indian National Army let by a popular Indian independence leader)", would face a military which was only in existence because of the British, who would have already lost a war. It would be like fighting a de-clawed kitten.
INA had Indian POWs.
And regarding Bose, please go a lil more in depth.
They had occupied Korea, Philippines, Vietnam, Burma and Manchuria. What makes you think they'd hand British India independence on a silver platter?
What makes me think?
Google Greater East Asia Co- Prosperity Sphere
Then find out why Bose left Nazis, also learn what the then Japanese PM said about Bose and India.
 
INA had Indian POWs troll.:haha:
And if u talking about Bose being a stooge then probably you should go a lil more in depth.

What's your point? Did you even read the article? Are you illiterate or something? They ate other British Indian PoWs who refused to join. Any British Indian who refused to accept their occupation would probably have been eaten along with them after being tested on like a lab rat.
And I hate to break it to you, but Bose wasn't dictating terms to the Nazis on how British India would be governed. It was the other way around. Hitler was impressed by how the British controlled British India and had advised them to shoot Gandhi, independence activists and hundreds of others to curb the Independence movement at one point in time.

Google Greater East Asia Co- Prosperity Sphere

Yeah, I googled it.
An Investigation of Global Policy with the Yamato Race as Nucleus—a secret document completed in 1943 for high-ranking government use—laid out the superior position of Japan in the Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, showing the subordination of other nations was part of explicit policy and not forced by the war.[2] It explicitly states the superiority of the Japanese over other Asian races and provides evidence that the Sphere was inherently hierarchical, including the Japanese Empire's true intention of domination over the Asian continent and Pacific Ocean.[3]

You would have made a perfect inferior and servile Brown sahib for these Japanese.
 
Sorry, Indian friends, I can understand someone of you really hate the britain, but some of you just have no stand of justice. There was Manila massacre, there were also million people in Vietnam starved to death because of rice conscription of japanese. And some of you think you would get a total freedom from Japan at WW2 if Japan got India?

NEW DELHI: On April 2, 1946, the Reuters correspondent in Melbourne, Australia, cabled a short message, which was carried by all newspapers a day later, including The Times of India. It read: "The Japanese Lieutenant Hisata Tomiyasu found guilty of the murder of 14 Indian soldiers and of cannibalism at Wewak (New Guinea) in 1944 has been sentenced to death by hanging, it is learned from Rabaul."

The nationalist narrative has long projected the Second World War as a clash between the patriots of the Indian National Army (INA), supported by the Japanese Empire, and the evil British Empire. The soldiers of the Indian Army who fought for the British are immediately dismissed as stooges of the Raj. But the refusal of many who were taken prisoner to renege on their oaths of loyalty in the face of extreme torture also showed remarkable bravery.

After the fall of Singapore on February 15, 1942, 40,000 men of the Indian Army became prisoners of war (PoWs). Some 30,000 of them joined the INA. But those who refused were destined for torture in the Japanese concentration camps. They were first sent to transit camps in Batavia (now Djakarta) and Surabaya from where they were packed off to New Guinea, New Britain, and Bougainvillea.

At the camps, they made no distinction between Indian officers and men. Officers would be slapped across the face or beaten up with sticks for the slightest error made by their men —error in this case being a tired soldier taking a moment's rest while on double fatigue duty, or a sick soldier failing to salute a Japanese officer. Very often, work parties of haggard men would be taken away from the camps to the shooting range where they would be used as live targets for new Japanese infantry recruits to improve their marksmanship. Soldiers who were not killed in the firing but wounded were bayoneted to death.

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Indian Army PoWs made live targets for new Japanese infantry recruits

It was a never-ending horror for those who were shipped out to the Pacific islands. "On the ship that took them to the Admiralties, two thousand were herded below deck like cattle, were allowed on the hatchways only once a day..." The Times of India reported on May 16, 1944. On another ship, a certain Captain Pillay, an Army doctor, was told by the Japanese that "water and air was not for the prisoners". With "just two cups of water in 24 hours", the men were forced to drink the saline seawater. Many didn't survive the journey.

On November 14, 1945, Lieutenant C M Nigam of 2/17 Dogras, who was among the 1,300 rescued Indian PoWs brought to Bombay, told The Times of India how he and others had refused to join the INA and were "packed like sardines on a hell ship, the Matsui Maru", which took 56 days to reach Rabaul. "Conditions on board were really horrible. In an extremely narrow space, only one-eighth of the whole party were able to lie down and sleep, while the other seven eights had to stand. The food supply dwindled on the voyage. After the first ten days, we were given rice and salt and occasionally we were issued with seaweed for cooking purposes. This was quite uneatable," Lieutenant Nigam had said.

That TOI report went on to detail the privations of the Indian prisoners in the camps: "At Rabaul, their normal working day was from 10 to 12 hours, but on days when heavy bombing raids were put in by the Americans, they would work from 12 to 14 hours. Towards the end, their diet consisted of sweet potatoes and tapioca. It was only by stealing livestock and small quantities of rice that the men were able to exist. Men caught or even suspected of stealing food were shot."

The truth about the claim can be found in the proceedings of the Gozawa case (No. 235/813) of the Singapore war crimes trials conducted by the British. This was, in fact, the first case that was tried from January 21 to February 1, 1946 and had 10 accused, four of them officers of the Imperial Japanese Army. They were accused of ill-treatment of Indian PoWs on way to and at Bebelthuap Palau, causing death to many by imposing severe hardships and beatings, and also executing Sepoy Mohammed Shafi of the Indian Army by beheading for allegedly trying to escape; eight others were beaten to death for allegedly stealing sugar from the stores.

At Wewak in New Guinea too, Indian PoWs were treated worse than beasts of burden. They were made to work 12-14 hours and were left exposed to Allied air raids. The senior-most Japanese officer here was one Colonel Takano, who even flogged men sick with beri beri for "working slowly". The Indian officers of these so-called working parties demanded better conditions and fair treatment as PoWs under international law (Geneva Convention).

According to Australian historian Professor Peter Stanley, the Indian officers gave a written petition in English to Takano in July, 1943. The Japanese colonel was so angry to see it that he paraded all of them before him and told them that they had no rights as they had surrendered unconditionally. He also called them "traitors of Asia and India". Harsher conditions were imposed on the men.

Then in one Allied strafing raid, five Indian PoWs were killed and 13 others injured. Takano didn't let their wounds be treated. Instead, he threw sand at the men crying in pain and told them to shut up as it was their "Churchill and Roosevelt who did this" to them. All the men died later of infection.

The PoWs gave another petition, this time drafted by Captain Nirpal Chand of 6th battalion, 14 Punjab Regiment. When the Japanese refused again, this KCIO (King's Commissioned Indian Officer — such officers could also command European troops) organized a hunger strike. Despite Japanese threats, the men refused to eat until their demands were met. The Japanese eventually relented, but not for long. Captain Chand was executed on April 22, 1944, for "inciting his men to rebel". The Japanese officers later tried for Chand's death by Australians told the court that the Indian officer was given the opportunity to change his mind, but he had refused, so he was executed in a "lawful and honourable" way. It took two strikes with the gunto to sever Chand's head.

Jemadar Chint Singh, a VCO who testified against the Japanese, told Australian daily The Age in an interview dated June 7, 1947, Captain Chand's last words to his men: "Don't worry. If I am killed, some of you will see the good times which are ahead and tell your tales. The Japs cannot finish the whole lot. If I die for your rightful demands, I shall consider it a great honour and credit to me."

A similar "gallant tale" was reported by The Times of India on September 10, 1945, from Manila, Philippines. Some of the 330 rescued Indians on board the medical ship Oxfordshire told about Captain Mateen Ahmed Ansari of 5th battalion, 7th Rajput Regiment. He was a KCIO and the nephew of the Nizam of Hyderabad. They called him "one of the greatest heroes of the prison camps at Hong Kong".

Ansari was arrested on April 1, 1943, on suspicion of participating in a group attempt to escape. The Japanese soon found out about Ansari's royal lineage and pressured him to convince Indian troops to switch their loyalty to the Japanese. Ansari refused to break his Indian Army oath. "The Japanese tortured him with beatings, the water cure, and by plunging an electric plug into his bare back. These tortures failed to break the Indian's spirit. So the Japanese began a systematic reduction of his rations, beginning with six ounces of rice a day. Finally, they told him that he had his choice of being beheaded or shot. The Indian replied that 'beheading is a barbarous method, but as you are barbarians at heart, you will have to decide'. The Japanese then beheaded him," TOI reported. Captain Ansari was awarded the George Cross for the "most conspicuous gallantry".

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An emaciated Indian PoW from Hong Kong onboard the medical ship Oxfordshire (Getty Images)

The TOI report of May 16, 1944, also mentioned that the Indian soldiers "were victims of 'indescribable indignities' at the hands of their captors". The chapter Indian POWs in the Pacific, 1941-45 by G J Douds, which is part of the 2007 book, Forgotten Captives in Japanese-Occupied Asia, edited by Kevin Blackburn and Karl Hack, elaborates on these indignities. "At Hansa Bay in New Guinea, Hindu prisoners were also severely beaten for their refusal to touch beef...the Japanese tried to prevent Muslims from fasting during Ramzan. Extra fatigues were imposed in a bid to enforce eating. The Muslims held out and the fast was eventually permitted; but in general no toleration was shown in religious matters," reads a passage.

The Sikhs were particularly insulted for their long hair and beards. In February, 1944, eight rescued Sikh PoWs narrated their tales of suffering and about the indignities heaped on them. "We were locked in a room for a night and a day without water. Next day, when our mouths were very dry, they took us out and made a sport of plucking our beards. For food we were given dry bread, but before we could eat it our hands were tied behind our backs. We writhed in pain to get at the bread, which was placed in our laps. One Indian commissioned officer who asked for water was hit on the head and shot. Another was forced to drink large quantities, and when he had finished the Japanese jumped on his stomach until the water poured from his mouth, ears, nose, and eyes," one of the men was quoted in the Canberra Times dated February 4, 1944.

The men further detailed how a Viceroy's Commissioned Officer (VCO) was hung upside down alive and bayoneted by the Japanese who also pulled his heart out.

But the most spine-chilling of all Japanese atrocities was their practice of cannibalism. One of the first to level charges of cannibalism against the Japanese was Jemadar Abdul Latif of 4/9 Jat Regiment of the Indian Army, a VCO who was rescued by the Australians at Sepik Bay in 1945. He alleged that not just Indian PoWs but even locals in New Guinea were killed and eaten by the Japanese. "At the village of Suaid, a Japanese medical officer periodically visited the Indian compound and selected each time the healthiest men. These men were taken away ostensibly for carrying out duties, but they never reappeared," the Melbourne correspondent of The Times, London, cabled this version of Jemadar Latif on November 5, 1946.

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Jemadar Abdul Latif of 4/9 Jat Regiment who was among the first to allege that the Japanese killed Indians and fed on them

Latif's charges were buttressed by Captain R U Pirzai and Subedar Dr Gurcharan Singh. "Of 300 men who went to Wewak with me, only 50 got out. Nineteen were eaten. A Jap doctor —Lieutenant Tumisa, formed a party of three or four men and would send an Indian outside the camp for something. The Japs immediately would kill him and eat the flesh from his body. The liver, muscles from the buttocks, thighs, legs, and arms would be cut off and cooked," Captain Pirzai told Australian daily The Courier-Mail in a report dated August 25, 1945.

Then there were more similar testimonies by PoWs interned in other camps, such as Havildar Changdi Ram and Lance Naik Hatam Ali, who also gave details of cannibalism practised in their camps. John Baptist Crasta of the Royal Indian Army Service Corps, also a PoW at Rabaul, wrote in his memoir (Eaten by the Japanese: The Memoir of an Unknown Indian Prisoner of War) about Japanese eating Indian soldiers. He was made part of the Allied investigation into Japanese war crimes later.

All these soldiers gave sworn testimonies to the war crimes investigation commissions set up by the Allies, based on which several Japanese officers and men were tried. The senior-most Japanese officer found guilty of cannibalism and hanged was Lieutenant General Yoshio Tachibana.

The Japanese, though, were always dismissive of these charges. Then in 1992, a Japanese historian named Toshiyuki Tanaka found incontrovertible evidence of Japanese atrocities, including cannibalism, on Indians and other Allied prisoners. His initial findings were printed by The Japan Times. In 1997, Tanaka came out with his book, Hidden Horrors: Japanese War Crimes In World War II. There, he refuted the Allies' conclusion that the Japanese resorted to cannibalism when their supplies dwindled. Tanaka said this was done under the supervision of senior officers and was perceived as a power projection tool.

UK-based military historian Amarpal Sidhu recalls his grandparents, who lived in Singapore during WWII, telling him about the fear psychosis among the Indian community in Singapore regarding Japanese cannibalism. "The issue of cannibalism and other atrocities committed against Indian POWs by the Japanese although widely known and talked about still remains one of the least researched and documented aspects of the last great war. As the last veterans of the World War die out, many first-hand accounts of these events are vanishing fast without being recorded," Sidhu told TOI.

The Japanese also tried to impose their military drill and words of command on the Indian PoWs. It's recorded that Captain Pirzai and other officers refused. The furious Japanese subjected the whole unit to savage treatment, but still, the men didn't yield, saying they were Indian Army officers and men and would only follow the drill of their army.

Another similar incident occurred At Komoriyama in New Britain in 1945. There, men of the 5/11 Sikh Regiment were given 'good conduct' badges to wear. The Indian officers protested, saying that they were men of the Indian Army and they would wear only badges and uniform worn in that army. The men were threatened, but they didn't budge. Then a machinegun was brought forward and the Japanese threatened to shoot down all. The Sikhs still didn't budge. This went on for five days at the end of which the Japanese lost patience and flogged most of the men till they passed out.

Only 5,500 Indians came out of Japanese captivity alive. And despite all the hardships, the men refused to break their Indian Army oath and join the Japanese-sponsored Indian Independence League or INA. What emerges from all these recorded incidents is a picture of amazing fortitude shown by Indian PoWs. A kind of professionalism and apolitical behaviour that perhaps still characterises the Indian Army of today.


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Soldiers who didn't die in the firing being bayoneted to death

Different historians have come up with different explanations for this. Some say it was because the men, at least the officers, were highly Anglicised Sandhurst-trained men who also came from families that had a history of generations of loyal service to the British. But in the words of Claude Auchinleck, these men didn't have any particular loyalty towards Britain.

The men were loyal to each other, to their regiments, to their officers. It was this loyalty that cemented such a diverse army like the Indian Army together. This loyalty, coupled with a strong sense of Indian identity, which had become stronger due to the ongoing National Movement back home, may have made the men endure all sorts of hardship. And it is this strong sense of Indian identity in the army that would shake up the Raj.

When India became independent in 1947, these same British-trained officers and men inherited a colonial army and transformed it into a national army that became the muse of patriots of all ages almost overnight.

Japanese ate Indian PoWs, used them as live targets in WWII - The Times of India


Dear friend...do you really want an honest answer...I already mentioned in many of my posts earlier...If ever culturally, India or Indian would be at comfort zone apart from South Asia, this is China or any Buddhist nation...We do not have as such any so much of hatred or dislike for China...But being a superior power, and the way you support Pakistan, it does not give us much choice rather than to allign with any one who can allign with our interest...Our interest as such does not conflict with China,..Even if you ask 10 people in India, i do not think they are so much concerned or worried about China rising to the top or being a global super power...But the your association with Pakistan, is the factor that Indian always feel concerned about China...So as long as your interest and priority is alligned with Pakistan...till that point, India is ready to accept all the lesser evil who can allign with us...
 
that reminds me... how can japan have something called "japanese self defense forces" when it participated in the korea war under the uno ( nato ) flag and is a major nato member in the east?? :what:

They just passed the laws last week to allow them to revise their "pacifist" constitution. Very soon, we are going to see full blown Japanese Imperial Amy, Navy, Air force all over again. "Self Defense" no more!
 
What's your point? Did you even read the article? Are you illiterate or something? They ate other British Indian PoWs who refused to join. Any British Indian who refused to accept their occupation would probably have been eaten along with them after being tested on like a lab rat.
And I hate to break it to you, but Bose wasn't dictating terms to the Nazis on how British India would be governed. It was the other way around. Hitler was impressed by how the British controlled British India and had advised them to shoot Gandhi, independence activists and hundreds of other I
Hi troll.
They probably ate all POWs whom they found tasty , why are you being picky with British Indian POWs?
If Bose wasnt dictating terms then why did he leave Nazis - you have no answer.
and your last line :haha:
Better you go read some history before you quote me again.Tnx

Yeah, I googled it.


You would have made a perfect inferior and servile Brown sahib for these Japanese.

You googled it, yet you making a fool out of yourself here.
Idk if i had been made a brown sahib or not, but if not INA probably you would have been polishing some Britisher's boots right now:haha:
 
Better you go read some history before you quote me again.Tnx
Gandhi was fortunate that it was the British who ruled India rather than any other colonial masters. "Shoot Gandhi" was Adolf Hitler's advice to Lord Halifax, in 1938, about how to rule the Subcontinent, "and if that does not suffice to reduce them to submission, shoot a dozen leading members of Congress; and if that does not suffice, shoot two hundred, and so on until order is established."
Clash of Civilizations, Collapse of Empire - WSJ

If Bose wasnt dictating terms then why did he leave Nazis - you have no answer.

Are you talking about when he left Germany? He left Germany because he was receiving little to no support from them and went to the Japanese for support; the same Japanese forcing thousands of Korean women into prostitution and experimenting on thousands of Asians.

Idk if i had been made a brown sahib or not

Well, there were many ways for you to be involved in the Japanese-occupied India. You could have been one of the men eaten, one of the men who enthusiastically donated his wife to the Japanese troops, one of the men who enthusiastically donated his body for experimentation (or other purposes ;)). Brown sahibs were usually literate (emphasis on literate) upper-class Indians who imitated their rulers.

Dear friend...do you really want an honest answer...I already mentioned in many of my posts earlier...If ever culturally, India or Indian would be at comfort zone apart from South Asia, this is China or any Buddhist nation...We do not have as such any so much of hatred or dislike for China...But being a superior power, and the way you support Pakistan, it does not give us much choice rather than to allign with any one who can allign with our interest...Our interest as such does not conflict with China,..Even if you ask 10 people in India, i do not think they are so much concerned or worried about China rising to the top or being a global super power...But the your association with Pakistan, is the factor that Indian always feel concerned about China...So as long as your interest and priority is alligned with Pakistan...till that point, India is ready to accept all the lesser evil who can allign with us...

Except 1940's China has nothing to do with current day China. Oops, little Indian brainfart. Too much curry?
 
Clash of Civilizations, Collapse of Empire - WSJ



Are you talking about when he left Germany? He left Germany because he was receiving little to no support from them and went to the Japanese for support; the same Japanese forcing thousands of Korean women into prostitution and experimenting on thousands of Asians.



Well, there were many ways for you to be involved in the Japanese-occupied India. You could have been one of the men eaten, one of the men who enthusiastically donated his wife to the Japanese troops, one of the men who enthusiastically donated his body for experimentation (or other purposes ;)). Brown sahibs were usually literate (emphasis on literate) upper-class Indians who imitated their rulers.



Except 1940's China has nothing to do with current day China. Oops, little Indian brainfart. Too much curry?

It seems you are eating something else than curry..So you do not understand my point.
 
Clash of Civilizations, Collapse of Empire - WSJ



Are you talking about when he left Germany? He left Germany because he was receiving little to no support from them and went to the Japanese for support; the same Japanese forcing thousands of Korean women into prostitution and experimenting on thousands of Asians.



FYI, Hitler refused to issue declaration on India's independence and this showed he was not personally interested with Bose's cause - this is why he left nazis.
And i am not talking about Japanese atrocities here, i am focusing on whether Japanese could have colonized India or not.
Whatever japanese did, I condemn it too. So dont try to bring blah blah what Japanese did and try to score browny points.
 
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FYI, Hitler refused to issue declaration on India's independence and this showed he was not personally interested with Bose's cause - this is why he left nazis.

Which is what I said. Jesus Christ, it's true. You really can't read.
And i am not talking about Japanese atrocities here, i am focusing on whether Japanese could have colonized India or not.

Which brings us back to the original question. Why would they do anything like that for British Indians, huh? Because the INA was allied with them? Japan was aided by Korean and Chinese collaborators in their occupations of Korea and China. Didn't stop them from doing what they did, did it?
 
Which is what I said. Jesus Christ, it's true. You really can't read.


Which brings us back to the original question. Why would they do anything like that for British Indians, huh? Because the INA was allied with them? Japan was aided by Korean and Chinese collaborators in their occupations of Korea and China. Didn't stop them from doing what they did, did it?
BYE TROLL
Just read my first reply to a troll like you.
You could not prove if Japanese could even colonize India after the war.
You stick to your rant that Japan would colonize India sans proofs.
You bring to me that Bose was gullible guy and all PoW's were stupid to join the war of independence - that too in yur dreams.
You should probably sleep now. Thnx
 
You could not prove if Japanese could even colonize India after the war.

Japan's colonization of several other South East Asian countries ain't proof? Are you one of those Indians who believes that he is Aryan and therefore superior to sub-human East Asians and the Japanese would recognize this? Maybe they'd even create a new caste system with us on top and the Japanese on bottom! :yay:
You bring to me that Bose was gullible guy and all PoW's were stupid to join the war of independence - that too in yur dreams.

POWs probably saw their comrades die at the hands of Japanese and joining up would be their only choice of survival.

Sorry, Indian friends, I can understand someone of you really hate the britain, but some of you just have no stand of justice. There was Manila massacre, there were also million people in Vietnam starved to death because of rice conscription of japanese. And some of you think you would get a total freedom from Japan at WW2 if Japan got India?

Indians love Nazis and Japanese because they started a war which led to a several million deaths, but also brought an end to British rule. Therefore, Nazis & Japanese = good. And yes, they really are that stupid.
 
Japan's colonization of several other South East Asian countries ain't proof? Are you one of those Indians who believes that he is Aryan and therefore superior to sub-human East Asians and the Japanese would recognize this? Maybe they'd even create a new caste system with us on top and the Japanese on bottom! :yay:


POWs probably saw their comrades die at the hands of Japanese and joining up would be their only choice of survival.



Indians love Nazis and Japanese because they started a war which led to a several million deaths, but also brought an end to British rule. Therefore, Nazis & Japanese = good. And yes, they really are that stupid.
Damn..
Bro did you just see the first post i made on the thread? can you counter it or no. Do not spread your propaganda.
The last line, what do you want to comply? Whatever the reason was, they were Indian PoW's and fought for independence. Period.
It wasnt just present day India that time, Had INA not interfered, then most probably there would have been no Pakistan too.:pakistan:
Just be happy how things went, your never ending non sense rants without proofs wont work everywhere.
Regarding Japanese atrocities, like an alibi you used in every single post of yours given the fact i already posted i am not not discussing about it and I condemn it too. Never in any post i said Nazis or Japanese were good - or probably your processor still P1:P, i can understand.:haha:
 
Japan's colonization of several other South East Asian countries ain't proof? Are you one of those Indians who believes that he is Aryan and therefore superior to sub-human East Asians and the Japanese would recognize this? Maybe they'd even create a new caste system with us on top and the Japanese on bottom! :yay:


POWs probably saw their comrades die at the hands of Japanese and joining up would be their only choice of survival.



Indians love Nazis and Japanese because they started a war which led to a several million deaths, but also brought an end to British rule. Therefore, Nazis & Japanese = good. And yes, they really are that stupid.

The only thing that stopped Japan from invading India is that India was under Britain/our colony back then. Japan had already invaded and conquered almost all asian countries(while conquering most of Chonese coastal areas/cities and getting bogged down against KMT from taking over the whole country) and pacific islands, even defeating the U.S initially in the first battle for philippines. Some Indians here make me laugh if they think they would have stood a chance against Japan if India wasnt under our empire.lol They would have lasted a couple of weeks at best. :D
 
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