'Japan wants to supply radar and other military hardware to Bangladesh'

[Abid123]

Aside from their diesel submarine, which are actually the best in the world, what else do they have that is top tier?

Their Mogami class frigate is good.

 

[Bilal9]

Aside from their diesel submarine, which are actually the best in the world, what else do they have that is top tier?

Oh I can name a few things.

The thing is - they are bound by treaty to not develop original weapons, only modified ones. Their armed forces are "defensive forces" by definition. They may not have the best in every class or the largest, but they lead qualitatively.

For example, look at their latest DDG Maya and AESA radar (self-developed). JMSDF leads in this type of technology as well as propulsion method. The Maya class installed a hybrid-electric propulsion system. JMSDF is one of the first navies in the world to use Integrated electric propulsion (IEP) for auxiliary vessels and is now going to install them on all future larger Naval platforms.

Maya-class destroyer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People forget that the Japanese developed naval air and marine platforms the same time as the western powers did at the turn of the last century - when rest of Asia was nowhere in the picture. If needed they can build up their naval capability again.

Here's a short list.

Top 10 Most Powerful Weapons of The Japanese Military

INTROUCTION When we talk about top quality electronics and robotics, Japan is the first country which comes to our mind. But when we talk about military equipment, hardly anyone mentions Japan. Rob…

defencyclopedia.com

@Indos has also provided some other example above.

 

[bluesky]

Japan produces weapons that only Japan could afford. Seriously, it's amusing to me that Japan thinks it can be competitive in the international market with it's very high costs and second tier capabilities.

Japan is basically not an exporter of weapons. But, it is a technology country and because its wages are high and do not produce things using third-rate materials or without going through due experiments, the weapons become expensive.

Now, let us see what decision the GoB takes on the Japanese offer of selling radars. This is not really an offensive weapon. For BD needs, Japan can also afford to make the radar system cheaper in price.

Yes, it is possible to get cheaper prices. Japan has always been benevolent to Bangladesh. The feeling started about 75 years ago and the person responsible was Radhabinod Pal of then British India. He was a Bengali and was born in Salimpur of BD.

He supported Japan in the Tokyo war crime trial after the 2nd WW. He concluded:

I would hold that every one of the accused must be found not guilty of every one of the charges in the indictment and should be acquitted on all those charges.

Unlike our people, the Japanese are not ingrates. Japanese society is just like this. Japan has already relieved $9 billion in loans it has extended.

@Bilal9, @Destranator

 

[Destranator]

Japan is basically not an exporter of weapons. But, it is a technology country and because its wages are high and do not produce things using third-rate materials or without going through due experiments, the weapons become expensive.

Now, let us see what decision the GoB takes on the Japanese offer of selling radars. This is not really an offensive weapon. For BD needs, Japan can also afford to make the radar system cheaper in price.

Yes, it is possible to get cheaper prices. Japan has always been benevolent to Bangladesh. The feeling started about 75 years ago and the person responsible was Radhabinod Pal of then British India. He was a Bengali and was born in Salimpur of BD.

He supported Japan in the Tokyo war crime trial after the 2nd WW. He concluded:


Unlike our people, the Japanese are not ingrates. Japanese society is just like this. Japan has already relieved $9 billion in loans it has extended.

@Bilal9, @Destranator

Yes, I am sure the Japanese will keep price sensitivity in mind when offering to equipment to BD - they are anything but stupid.

 

[tphuang]

Their Mogami class frigate is good.

That depends on what you would define as "frigate". Constellation class is called a frigate. Type 26 is frigate despite being humongous.

If Bangladesh wants a 4000t class surface combatant, I think 054A would be the best choice in terms of capability and cost.

 

[Bengal71]

Japan is basically not an exporter of weapons. But, it is a technology country and because its wages are high and do not produce things using third-rate materials or without going through due experiments, the weapons become expensive.

Now, let us see what decision the GoB takes on the Japanese offer of selling radars. This is not really an offensive weapon. For BD needs, Japan can also afford to make the radar system cheaper in price.

Yes, it is possible to get cheaper prices. Japan has always been benevolent to Bangladesh. The feeling started about 75 years ago and the person responsible was Radhabinod Pal of then British India. He was a Bengali and was born in Salimpur of BD.

He supported Japan in the Tokyo war crime trial after the 2nd WW. He concluded:


Unlike our people, the Japanese are not ingrates. Japanese society is just like this. Japan has already relieved $9 billion in loans it has extended.

@Bilal9, @Destranator

The Japanese don't produce weapons on a commercial basis for the purpose of export, that's one of the reasons their weapons are expensive, there is no economy of scale.

I really wish Japan gets out of that treaty and starts producing it's weapons and makes them available for export. Their technology is second to none and if they start producing weapons it will rival anything American or European, I think quality will be even better.

I am also fascinated by the Japanese culture and their work ethics. Only if we could be like them ethics wise, that alone would be enough for us to progress by leaps and bounds.

 

[bluesky]

The Japanese don't produce weapons on a commercial basis for the purpose of export, that's one of the reasons their weapons are expensive, there is no economy of scale.

I really wish Japan gets out of that treaty and starts producing it's weapons and makes them available for export. Their technology is second to none and if they start producing weapons it will rival anything American or European, I think quality will be even better.

No, as far as I read in the newspapers, the Japanese are not willing to fall back from the treaty with the USA. The Japanese people do not just want those rightwing warmongers to come back into politics and raise their influence in society to torment others as well as the Japanese themselves.

The Japanese people have full knowledge of what those right-wingers did to China. However, Japan may try now to develop small technology weapons part of which it may ask BD to purchase.

Japan also does not want to antagonize the USA by mass-producing offensive weapons. Japan knows that its economic interests are best served if it keeps on producing civilian consumer goods, exports them to the world market, and buys military goods from the USA.

Japan certainly can develop many high-tech weapons, but it does not want to create any more friction with its neighbors. Think of China, Korea, or SE Asia. They will start picketing against a re-armed Japan.

As far as I understand, Japan conducts all kinds of research on the latest modern weapons and keeps on saving/ filing them for the future. It can produce many of them within a few months. There are hundreds, thousands, or more technology companies who would produce them without almost no faults. Think of big names like Mitsubishi, Mitsui, Sumitomo, Hitachi, and many others,

If they are given orders with drawings/ specifications of the final product, in no time these companies will establish factory production/ assembly lines to produce them. Factory machine designing is Daal-Bhat for the Japanese mechanical/ electrical/ electronic engineers.

 

[AViet]

Technically speaking, Japan still hold a lot of core technologies which America has to depend on. So they can manufacture good defense products, i have no doubt. But they are paralyzed by politics which is haunted by the past. And this cannot be changed in next 50 to 100 years, unless something special happens.

In the meantime, Korea and China are catching up fast technologically and in some core areas, like AI which is important to defense products of 21st century, they are already ahead. Do not think the US or Europe can ever catch up in these new core technologies with North East Asian countries with current quality of their human resource.

 

[Bilal9]

Look at the Mitsubishi F-2 fighter. While looking externally like a ditto copy of the F-16, it is internally very different. 60% of the jet is built in Japan - and its control law software is all Japanese made.

 

[REhorror]

Japan's military shipbuilding is probably the 2nd in Asia now that China can produce aircraft carriers.

In Asia, only 3 countries have AC, China, India and Japan.

I'm not sure about their planes and missiles tech though, not so much development compared to ships.

 

[bluesky]

I am also fascinated by the Japanese culture and their work ethics. Only if we could be like them ethics wise, that alone would be enough for us to progress by leaps and bounds.

এক গাছের ডাল আরেক গাছে লাগানো যায়না, বিশেষ করে সেটা যদি বাংলাদেশ ও তার নাগরিকেরা হয় যারা কথা বেশি বলাকেই বেশি কাজ করা বলে মনে করে।

Do not please expect anything good out of our political/religious leaders who follow their self-interest. Japanese always follow their national interests.

We have no one to follow. The person we follow was good for his age but now it is the 21st century. Yet, he was void of philosophy. We have to find out a new value system that our people can adopt to make our nation prosperous with knowledge, education, and learning from the West, Japan and China.

 

[Bengal71]

এক গাছের ডাল আরেক গাছে লাগানো যায়না, বিশেষ করে সেটা যদি বাংলাদেশ ও তার নাগরিকেরা হয় যারা কথা বেশি বলাকেই বেশি কাজ করা বলে মনে করে।

Wise words! But there is no harm in hoping.

The person we follow was good for his age but now it is the 21st century

Who is this person? Are you referring to Sheikh Mujib or someone else.

Japan's military shipbuilding is probably the 2nd in Asia now that China can produce aircraft carriers.

In Asia, only 3 countries have AC, China, India and Japan.

I'm not sure about their planes and missiles tech though, not so much development compared to ships.

They didn't invest in weapons heavily. Japan is an etremely technologically developed country and their tech is second to none, it rivals Germany and UK in tech and I personally would bet the Japanese would do better than UK or Germany if they headed in the direction of weapons development.

 

[bluesky]

Who is this person? Are you referring to Sheikh Mujib or someone else.

You have to find him out by yourself. Mujib was no philosopher but he had many good qualities for a political leader. One is boldness.

But, it is not for him that our people blindly dream of entering Paradise without doing anything worthful in this world.

 

[UKBengali]

The Japanese don't produce weapons on a commercial basis for the purpose of export, that's one of the reasons their weapons are expensive, there is no economy of scale.

I really wish Japan gets out of that treaty and starts producing it's weapons and makes them available for export. Their technology is second to none and if they start producing weapons it will rival anything American or European, I think quality will be even better.

I am also fascinated by the Japanese culture and their work ethics. Only if we could be like them ethics wise, that alone would be enough for us to progress by leaps and bounds.

Japanese actually have a very advanced and comprehensive weapons industry - in some sense comparable to the French where they are better in some areas and worse in others.

Unlike some others they always retained the ability to go it alone if the relationship with USA was one day going to end - they have their own electronic/radar systems on fighters/ships and make their own submarines, tanks and missiles

If they started exporting then I see them offering high quality products at competitive prices.

BD should not buy any major systems from them as they are heavily allied to the USA and India anyway will be able to influence them due to large market and strategic calculations vis-a-vis China.

 

[Bengal71]

Japanese actually have a very advanced and comprehensive weapons industry - in some sense comparable to the French where they are better in some areas and worse in others.

Unlike some others they always retained the ability to go it alone if the relationship with USA was one day going to end - they have their own electronic/radar systems on fighters/ships and make their own submarines, tanks and missiles

If they started exporting then I see them offering high quality products at competitive prices.

BD should not buy any major systems from them as they are heavily allied to the USA and India anyway will be able to influence them due to large market and strategic calculations vis-a-vis China.

I know but I am a bit surprised they didn't keep the aero engine tech in house. The Japanese fighters are all American. Japan has the technical know how necessary to produce any jet engine and any advanced fighter jet, yet they did not. To the very least Japan should have kept an indigenous passenger airliner industry, no doubt if they wanted it would rival anything the Rolls Royce, Pratt&Whitney, GE, Boeing and Airbus can produce. The Boeing-Airbus duopoly could easily be a trio poly.