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Japan Might Build 'Super' Destroyers. Why? Think North Korea and China.

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The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force increasingly resembles the former Imperial Japanese Navy, but in a smaller size. It has a fleet of some 154 ships and operates 346 aircraft. In 2000 it has also been the world's fourth-largest navy by tonnage, and likely will only increase in size.

In December 2018, Tokyo approved a plan to modify its two Izumo-class helicopter carriers to embark the Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II jet fighter. The modifications would enable Japan to operate flattops with fixed-wing aircraft for the first time since World War II. The Japanese government also announced as part of its record-setting defense budget it would purchase additional F-35 aircraft.


With an eventual plan to be equipped with 105 F-35As and 42 F-35Bs, Japan would become the largest operator of the fifth-generation stealth fighter aircraft outside of the United States.

Not Battleships But The Next Best Thing


One type of warship the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force won't operate is a battleship, and there are no plans for a 21st-century version of the Yamato super battleship.

However, according to a recent report from TheDrive, citing Japanese media, Tokyo is now considering the feasibility of procuring two "super-destroyers." Such warships – much like the modified flattops – would seem to be in contradiction of Japan's 1947 Constitution, which renounced war, but is also seen to suggest that Japan's military forces are maintained for the purpose of self-defense.

In this case, however, the super-destroyers would serve as a replacement to the pair of planned land-based Aegis Ashore systems. Work on those was suspended due to technical issues, costs and domestic criticism. The destroyers would be focused on missile defense – primarily from North Korea – and would be equipped with a version of the Aegis combat system that is equipped with Lockheed Martin's AN/SPY-7 Long Range Discrimination Radar. That platform was originally intended for the shore-based Aegis system.

Nikkei Asia reported that the funding for the system modifications of the AN/SPY-7 will be allocated in Japan's fiscal 2021 budget.

While the Defense Ministry has been expected to approve the vessels, based on an interim report that is due later this month from a private-sector technical study, officials have also considered the option of a special-purpose warship that could be dedicated to intercepting missiles. However, despite the fact that such a vessel would cost less, it could be far more vulnerable to submarine and air attacks.


The other consideration is that even as North Korean missiles are seen as the primary threat, Japan has other priorities that include patrolling the East China Sea due to increased Chinese aggression, and new Aegis-equipped destroyers could be a practical addition to the fleet due to their maneuverability and defenses.

One issue outstanding could be that of personnel. Tokyo opted for the Aegis Ashore system to address the lack of personnel, but now the Maritime SDF may need to be further expanded with the addition of such warships.

A New Class

Yet to come into focus is whether Tokyo would opt to build a new warship or a derivative of vessels currently in the fleet. TheDrive cited a report from Tokyo's Kyodo News agency, which suggested that the government was considering a vessel with a standard displacement of around 8,000 tons – which would be larger than the current Maya-class's displacement of 8,200 tons.


The Maya-class is a modified version of the Atago-class, and the lead vessel Maya was commissioned on March 19, 2020, with a second vessel, Haguro, set to enter service in March of next year. These vessels were also designed to enhance Japan's ballistic missile defense capabilities, but now it seems that Tokyo is thinking even bigger.
 
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Just like in WW2 the Japanese navy is again showing how they're using outdated thinking with a poor doctrine.

In WW2 they didn't even have radar deployed, still had human aimed guns and tried to use battleships against carriers. Basically 19th century against mid 20th century.

Now they're trying to use late 20th century tech and doctrine against 21st century tech and doctrine.
 
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China spends money so effectively with 1.3% of gdp on military that all imperialist states nearby and far away are pissing panties and increasing drastically military budget because they can't compete. An example is Australia. Lol I want to see what will happen when China increase military budget to 2%. They will cry faul on its own wishes.
 
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Super destroyers? But is is super duper like Trump's missiles?


Talk to us when they actually build it. We already have three 055 completed.

The uncertainty of building it and the number are really shocking, i almost had to wet my pants (from laughing)
POP3: Next 5 years PLAN change gear to hardcore construction style. I bet the Americans and Japanese are wetting their pants too just for different reason.
 
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The uncertainty of building it and the number are really shocking, i almost had to wet my pants (from laughing)
POP3: Next 5 years PLAN change gear to hardcore construction style. I bet the Americans and Japanese are wetting their pants too just for different reason.
I actually think we should keep PLAN size smaller (~200 vessels), but modernize our ships at a rapid pace. I don't want to match USN in terms of size. Look at their destroyers and cruisers. Their design is approaching 30 to 40 years old.

Advanced ships > navy size
 
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I actually think we should keep PLAN size smaller (~200 vessels), but modernize our ships at a rapid pace. I don't want to match USN in terms of size. Look at their destroyers and cruisers. Their design is approaching 30 to 40 years old.

Advanced ships > navy size
Our new ships are modern, more 055 to be expected in coming years. I think the new ones will be equipped with the railgun. 095 and 096 are the ones i am waiting for making its appearance.
 
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No, big size is better. Any ships we lose will not reduce combat efficacy too badly while a 200 ship navy if we lose 40 in one battle it will cripple the fleet. Besides Corvettes are can handle any subs.
 
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I actually think we should keep PLAN size smaller (~200 vessels), but modernize our ships at a rapid pace. I don't want to match USN in terms of size. Look at their destroyers and cruisers. Their design is approaching 30 to 40 years old.

Advanced ships > navy size

Having 60+ Type 056 corvettes is important. Large quantity is a quality itself.
 
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The more ships in the PLAN, the greater the dependency on ME oil it becomes. So keep making more hulls with old fashion propulsion. It'll still be easy to cut the PLAN ME oil bud while Japan's will remain intact. India will gladly host ME bud cutters. Feel free to put the big glass navy on patrol inside the first island chain for the much needed propaganda value that the CCP forever seeks.
 
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I actually think we should keep PLAN size smaller (~200 vessels), but modernize our ships at a rapid pace. I don't want to match USN in terms of size. Look at their destroyers and cruisers. Their design is approaching 30 to 40 years old.

Advanced ships > navy size
30 to 40 year old designs are still enough to scare the hell out of the Chinese for sure. One 40 year old design ship blew out a satellite. So not sure what your point is.
 
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The more ships in the PLAN, the greater the dependency on ME oil it becomes. So keep making more hulls with old fashion propulsion. It'll still be easy to cut the PLAN ME oil bud while Japan's will remain intact. India will gladly host ME bud cutters. Feel free to put the big glass navy on patrol inside the first island chain for the much needed propaganda value that the CCP forever seeks.
only you have figured it out, i will forward your out of universe idea to central committee.
 
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