Japan may boost immigrant numbers

[somsak]

No. Where did you get that idea from?

just look at math milinium problem . you google it.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

just look at math milinium problem . you google it.

I'm afraid I don't follow. I googled "math milinium problem," which auto-corrected to "math millennium problem," and the first links have to do with the Millennium Prize and various unsolved math problems. Relevance?

 

[mike2000]

good initiative, but i doubt it will really take off/be implemented considering how conservative japanese are. As the articles says:
“Resistance of the LDP is strong, but it’d be easier to win understanding of people if (immigrants are limited to) such areas as domestic helpers, baby sitters, medical workers and nurses,” the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity..

Yes limit immigrants to the level of menial jobs like they do in gulf states, that will help Japan alot.

 

[usernameless]

Japan's stance towards Muslim countries is neutral/good. Therefore, as long as there is mutual respect, there wont be much problems at all. Japan should try to avoid presenting a negative image of islam and muslims through its media, because let's be honest, the reason why there is so much hate and ignorance against muslims is thanks to the biased news in the west that focuses on the minority and enlarges it as if its the majority muslims increasingly face discrimination since the 2000's for being a muslim, having an Arab sounding name, or wearing a hijab, resulting in resentment and disappointment even among the well integrated muslims. im strongly against this, but for me it's understandable that a portion of those rebelling muslims who are fed up due being discriminated, see their host country having two-faced attitude towards his home country or other muslim states, fed up of being associated with terrorists with unclear or unislamic goals, fed up of putting up an apologist attitude towards his fellow host country citizens due some terrorists hes not related to, have quite legitimate reasons to segregate themselves, though it's obviously not a win-win situation for them and the host country. lack of mutual respect and trust.

as long as Japan screens their new immigrants (esp. education and income since most of the problems with muslims are related to ignorance due lack of proper education etc.) well, there shouldnt be much problems. key answer is mutual respect, not one-way. Having been in Japan myself and having experienced the Japanese mentality and culture, i am really confident that Japanese hospitality and respect will help a lot as a reaching hand for any foreigner. I mean, if a significant portion of muslim immigrants even fail and complain in Japan, then definitely the problem is them, not Japanese

as for that comment about muslims resisting assimilation. If you as a country want to be proud of your multi-culturalism, then there cannot be place for assimilation, doesnt matter which ethnicity or religion we are talking about. However, integration is a must for any immigrant. I didnt write this post to defend explicitly muslims, but any ethnicity

Good luck to Japan, though i worry a bit that such unskilled (uneducated, ignorant, maybe overly religious etc.) workers could bring related problems with them to Japan

 

[cloud_9]

It is hard for the English speaking professional crowd to migrate to East Asia.

 

[Cheetah786]

No. Where did you get that idea from?

But in all seriousness, I would say that this is a mistake on Japan's part, because multi-culturalism kills societies.

Source: Japan may boost immigrant numbers

 

[Aepsilons]

It is hard for the English speaking professional crowd to migrate to East Asia.

That is a very good point. So it may be necessary for immigrants who come to Japan to have a minimal working comprehension and understanding of Japanese language (written and spoken). The same way for many immigrants who come to the United States or any other Western country to display a proficiency of the English Language. This will enable the newly immigrated individual to Japan to be able to integrate into the Japanese society easier , softly. Japanese people, as a whole, are very warm and cordial. Japanese Embassies or Consulates abroad will have to have more resources for Japanese language learning to applicants.

good initiative, but i doubt it will really take off/be implemented considering how conservative japanese are. As the articles says:
“Resistance of the LDP is strong, but it’d be easier to win understanding of people if (immigrants are limited to) such areas as domestic helpers, baby sitters, medical workers and nurses,” the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity..

Yes limit immigrants to the level of menial jobs like they do in gulf states, that will help Japan alot.

There is a real need in Japan for blue collar workers. In the medical field, alone, there is a shortage of some 40,000 Registered Nurses, a shortage of some 10,000 Physicians, and a shortage of over 150,000 caregivers. The demand is higher than the supply. With most Japanese younger professionals working in corporate settings , there is a real deficient number of health workers. This is a Real problem.

There are even nursing homes in Japan that are recruiting nurses from the philippines, vietnam and indonesia. They bring them to Japan to be trained in the Japanese language , and then hired upon showcasing their proficiency in communication and health provision skill. These workers are given working visas, and they can eventually apply for permanent resident status, or if they are married to Japanese citizens, can be naturalized.

They key i think is that it the immigration quota will be increased to bring in working professionals. Have them marry local japanese and mate. The issue we are trying to address is the mating and proliferation of the Japanese Race. We are even considering foreigners to contribute to the creation of more Japanese babies. lol. We don't care what racial background the mother or father is, if that child is half Japanese by blood -- then he or she will be raised and grow up Japanese as an average Takeshi or Mariko.

Ministry of Interior probably has already seen the success of Japanese farmers' and their marriage to foreign women from Philippines, Korea, China, Taiwan. The mothers are foreign, and they give birth to 3 or more children (a very healthy, healthy birthing rate!) and the children are raised as Japanese. This contributes greatly to the new generation ranks.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Source: Japan may boost immigrant numbers

Immigrants who assimilate: good.
Immigrants who don't assimilate: bad.

Is that direct enough for you, or do you have other straw men to throw at me?

 

[Aepsilons]

Immigrants who assimilate: good.
Immigrants who don't assimilate: bad.

Is that direct enough for you, or do you have other straw men to throw at me?

This is a very good point, Sir. After reading what you wrote in a previous thread, and also from the contribution of @waz and @usernameless -- I think that there definitely needs to be a screening process. Those applicants that show hesitancy to assimilate into Japan's society should not be considered. We need foreigners who are really looking to integrate into the society -- and to , literally, become 'Japanese' themselves.

Japan's stance towards Muslim countries is neutral/good. Therefore, as long as there is mutual respect, there wont be much problems at all. Japan should try to avoid presenting a negative image of islam and muslims through its media, because let's be honest, the reason why there is so much hate and ignorance against muslims is thanks to the biased news in the west that focuses on the minority and enlarges it as if its the majority muslims increasingly face discrimination since the 2000's for being a muslim, having an Arab sounding name, or wearing a hijab, resulting in resentment and disappointment even among the well integrated muslims. im strongly against this, but for me it's understandable that a portion of those rebelling muslims who are fed up due being discriminated, see their host country having two-faced attitude towards his home country or other muslim states, fed up of being associated with terrorists with unclear or unislamic goals, fed up of putting up an apologist attitude towards his fellow host country citizens due some terrorists hes not related to, have quite legitimate reasons to segregate themselves, though it's obviously not a win-win situation for them and the host country. lack of mutual respect and trust.

as long as Japan screens their new immigrants (esp. education and income since most of the problems with muslims are related to ignorance due lack of proper education etc.) well, there shouldnt be much problems. key answer is mutual respect, not one-way. Having been in Japan myself and having experienced the Japanese mentality and culture, i am really confident that Japanese hospitality and respect will help a lot as a reaching hand for any foreigner. I mean, if a significant portion of muslim immigrants even fail and complain in Japan, then definitely the problem is them, not Japanese

as for that comment about muslims resisting assimilation. If you as a country want to be proud of your multi-culturalism, then there cannot be place for assimilation, doesnt matter which ethnicity or religion we are talking about. However, integration is a must for any immigrant. I didnt write this post to defend explicitly muslims, but any ethnicity

Good luck to Japan, though i worry a bit that such unskilled (uneducated, ignorant, maybe overly religious etc.) workers could bring related problems with them to Japan

Thank you for this message. Very solid points !

 

[cloud_9]

That is a very good point. So it may be necessary for immigrants who come to Japan to have a minimal working comprehension and understanding of Japanese language (written and spoken). The same way for many immigrants who come to the United States or any other Western country to display a proficiency of the English Language. This will enable the newly immigrated individual to Japan to be able to integrate into the Japanese society easier , softly. Japanese people, as a whole, are very warm and cordial. Japanese Embassies or Consulates abroad will have to have more resources for Japanese language learning to applicants.

It's not just the language it's just the work culture that is totally different.

 

[somsak]

I'm afraid I don't follow. I googled "math milinium problem," which auto-corrected to "math millennium problem," and the first links have to do with the Millennium Prize and various unsolved math problems. Relevance?

my bad. i was drunk yesterday when i replied. I just want tosay i agreed with you tbat immigrants help the US

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

my bad. i was drunk yesterday when i replied. I just want tosay i agreed with you tbat immigrants help the US

It's my turn tonight. Cheers!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So you are saying immigrants have contributed absolutely nothing to American success. and where she is today isn't because of Brian power gained by immigration from all over the world.

@LeveragedBuyout is talking about "multiculturalism".

Which means immigrants refusing to assimilate into the host culture.

One of the reasons why America was so successful with regards to immigration, is because immigrants were assimilated into their society, they became "American".

This isn't the case in many parts of Europe though, and we can see plenty of Europeans flying to the Middle East to fight in wars (many even to join ISIS) in which they really should have no connection to.

 

[That Guy]

No. Canada and the US are multi-racial, but we have been mono-cultural societies. Now that certain ethnic minorities have achieved certain critical mass, we are becoming multi-cultural, with several cultures existing side-by-side. This manifests itself in different languages, different political affiliations, different perceptions on the ideal size and role of government, different views on America's role in the world.

Nonsense. Both Canada and the US have been multicultural for decades, this comment of yours doesn't change that fact. When an immigrant comes to Canada, they don't abandon their culture, they bring it with them. To simply say that Canada and the US are multiracial and not multicultural is simply ignorant of facts.

It's possible to be non-White, and speak English with an accent, but embrace the free market, democracy, and constitutional government--and thus claim to be American without causing any doubt among native-born Americans. But it's also possible to wave a foreign flag at public American events, condemn America at every opportunity and venerate an ancestral homeland, call for socialism, racial polarism, dictatorial government, and create niche societies where English is not the lingua franca--and cause much doubt about loyalties, or indeed, raise questions as to whether the individual or individuals in question might be more comfortable elsewhere.

Prove to me that it has happened in a multicultural society and killed it. Protip: You can't.

The former is evidence of mono-culturalism, the latter is evidence of multi-culturalism. The former is changing oneself, leaving behind one's flawed, broken country to embrace the virtues of America, the latter is refusing to change oneself, leaving one's flawed and broken country to make America also flawed and broken.

No, it isn't. Democracy, free-market, and a constitutional government aren't exclusive to the US, don't even suggest it is. You've shown to evidence, so your "evidence" doesn't stand on it's feet. It is your opinion, it is not a fact.

In the era of the nation-state, multi-racialism is fine. Multi-culturalism is not. If you are a "post nation-state" member of the left, then we'll never be able to agree, but if you are not, then you will see that a unified national identity derives from a unified national culture.

You know, using big words doesn't make you right. This is nonsense.

A unified national identity has nothing to do with unified national culture, the US is evidence of this. Let's take immigrant culture out of this, shall we, for the sake of simplification. Going to the Southern states such as Mississippi, and going to a state such as Washington is like going to two different countries. Or how about Texas and California? Cultures across US states are so different that the only thing holding them together is national identity, not cultural differences. That is what a multicultural nation is. A nation that gives people of different cultures a unified sense of identity, that is a multicultural society; A multicultural nation.

This is not a matter of opinion, this is a fact of reality, and the reality is that the US and Canada are multicultural societies, and identify themselves as such.

 

[Aepsilons]

It's my turn tonight. Cheers!

To life, my friend!