Japan for better economic, defence ties with India

[gogbot]

Indian companies always focus on aam admi's requirements.

Had been required do you think we are not capable of making I-Pods, X-Box, Playstation, touch screens and all?


I am very well aware of technology partnership benifits with Japan.

That's the issue, It is not required so no one is making the High tech gear.

If Jap companies invest they come with all this stuff and start marketing it. suddenly Indian Companies can no longer Ignore
And will be required to Invest and Make High-tech gadgets. or at the least partner with or Buy out the Competition.

This is what i have been trying to tell you.

Indian Companies are getting too comfortable and not Innovating as much as they can.
We need to rattle the cage a bit.

 

[garibnawaz]

That's the issue, It is not required so no one is making the High tech gear.

If Jap companies invest they come with all this stuff and start marketing it. suddenly Indian Companies can no longer Ignore
And will be required to Invest and Make High-tech gadgets. or at the least partner with or Buy out the Competition.

This is what i have been trying to tell you.

Indian Companies are getting too comfortable and not Innovating as much as they can.
We need to rattle the cage a bit.

P.S: - Not to go to bed with Japan is my personal opinion based on their (Japan's) political actions.

Peace.

GB

 

[gogbot]

Be realistic on your goal! To beat Japan needs lot of cultural strength. Can India do that?

Well That depends on what you mean by Beat. this isn't a zero sum world anymore.

The US has done it,
The Chinese are doing it at least in Manufacturing, have yet to beat them in R&D
Why cant India aspire to such standards.

 

[Honor]

Well That depends on what you mean by Beat. this isn't a zero sum world anymore.

The US has done it,
The Chinese are doing it at least in Manufacturing, have yet to beat them in R&D
Why cant India aspire to such standards.

True! India can aspire of such standards. But at presence stage, India is still a long way to achieve that. The comments by some Indian shown the ignorance of current situation.

This applies to Chinese who are competing with the Japanese. The disparity of the technology is too great in consumer electronics. China is playing catchup only. To rival them is impossible at such stage.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

True! India can aspire of such standards. But at presence stage, India is still a long way to achieve that. The comments by some Indian shown the ignorance of current situation.

This applies to Chinese who are competing with the Japanese. The disparity of the technology is too great in consumer electronics. China is playing catchup only. To rival them is impossible at such stage.

I concur, we need to be realistic. Yes there are some things where China (and India) leads the world, but so many things where USA and Japan is ahead. Just read the article about the 1GW solar satellite to beam back to earth, just thinking about it is amazing.

Perhaps this 'East Asian Community' is more beneficial than many small-minded Chinese think. Let us each strive to work harder, and work together. For my part, I'll get back to my research. If all goes well, you won't hear from me for a long while!

 

[aimarraul]

good news for india,i doubt these ties will hurt china in any way,don't need to drag her into this thread

 

[gogbot]

True! India can aspire of such standards. But at presence stage, India is still a long way to achieve that. The comments by some Indian shown the ignorance of current situation.

This applies to Chinese who are competing with the Japanese. The disparity of the technology is too great in consumer electronics. China is playing catchup only. To rival them is impossible at such stage.

That's why i support the improvement of economic and technological relations, On our terms, while we can

So that India many catch up , Partner with and even perhaps try to compete wit Japanese firms.

Japan itself was pulled carved out of the ruin of world war 2, to become the second largest economy.

They went head on with western companies. and won. Turing the label made in Japan to be associated with the High tech

You say realistic, but just look at history the people we are trying to catch up with Did the exact thing we are trying to do.

 

[Gideon]

Personally I am against this.

Japan was the very first when they put economic sanctions on India in 1998.

The US who bombed them are bed with them but the Japs put sanctions on India.

This is extremely short sighted and I am sure the Indian foreign office has more seasoned and wiser people who make these kinds of decisions.

Japan is the second largest economy in the world and it is little bigger than Britain. They have immense technical capabilities and immense financial resources that any sensible nation would want to capitalize on. Their space program is second only to NASA and they build their own jets, submarines and ships. All of which India needs help in.

The reason Japan jumped and applied sanctions on India is not because of any particular animosity towards India but rather because they were the only nation in the world to witness the effects of a nuclear bomb first hand and they are vehemently opposed to any development of nuclear weapons.

On the other hand they are also one of the world's foremost leaders in nuclear energy technology and run some the safest and most advanced nuclear power plants on the planet. They could easily help India perfect its thorium based nuclear power plant if India and Japan worked together. Also, they own GE's and Westing House's nuclear plant businesses and if any American companies are going to build nuclear plants in India the Japanese companies will have to sign off on it.

Lastly, on the security front, the Japanese are as skeptical of the CCP as New Delhi is and it would be in India's best interest to capitalize on this "natural" friend.

 

[Gideon]

We should fear those who will commit some issues but will lecture you when you do it.

We learnt from our mistakes and listened to those who tried to tell different. I hope you are as wise as we were to move past your inhumane medieval practices and heed wisdom.

 

[Gideon]

The question is what does Japan and India want to be.

How about "Free and Just" ??

 

[Gideon]

Such as? Do you really think we are beyond Japan in technology?

You most certainly are. Much behind.

They are technologically almost equal to the US except in defense technologies.

Computers, electronics, robotics, nanotechnology, biotechnology, you name it, they are pioneers.

Just look at the number Nobel prizes their scientists in Physics and medicine- to understand how good they really are!

 

[Gideon]

Be realistic on your goal! To beat Japan needs lot of cultural strength. Can India do that?

Are you saying that India doesnt have adequate "cultural" strength ?

They defeated the greatest empire in the history of the world - The British empire without firing a shot while simultaneously supporting the British in their struggle against despotic forces of Fascism and Nazism.

I think they are more than capable, but I'd rather that they work together with Japan so that both of them can come out stronger and better.

Co-operation is more successful than competition.

 

[Nemesis]

This is a good thing. India is the only significant country in Asia to not hate Japan. Perhaps because we never faced the atrocities committed by Japan's imperial armies. Everyone else seems to be stuck with historical baggage.

Seeing how Japan is now finally confident enough to come out it's self imposed pacifism, an India -Japan relationship similar to the one we had with the Soviet Union can only mean good things for both us and Japan. and mean bad things for the PRC, which is another plus.

They are technologically almost equal to the US except in defense technologies.

Computers, electronics, robotics, nanotechnology, biotechnology, you name it, they are pioneers.

Just look at the number Nobel prizes their scientists in Physics and medicine- to understand how good they really are!

Agreed. India can benefit a lot from Japanese expertise.

 

[Honor]

Are you saying that India doesnt have adequate "cultural" strength ?

They defeated the greatest empire in the history of the world - The British empire without firing a shot while simultaneously supporting the British in their struggle against despotic forces of Fascism and Nazism.

I think they are more than capable, but I'd rather that they work together with Japan so that both of them can come out stronger and better.

Co-operation is more successful than competition.

Japanese as a society is much cohesive! They work as a group and achieved what they are with limited resources.

You need a more united people to works towards a target.

As for the British Empire, it is crumbling after WW2. Most colonies are demanding for independence and is not restricted to India. You are making a poor comparision.

 

[Honor]

We learnt from our mistakes and listened to those who tried to tell different. I hope you are as wise as we were to move past your inhumane medieval practices and heed wisdom.

The root of our problems are caused by the mistakes of your fore father.

One good example is the climate issue. West had been burning fossil fuel for decades and done great damaged to the environment. However, to save our environment, it must be shared with developing countries that had limited resources.

I do agree that at current condition, China and India must do their parts for the environment .