Japan Diet Approves Bill to Allow Japanese Troops to Fight Abroad

[Taygibay]

If what you say is true that Japan has the capability to produce nuclear weapons, would they not have done it back in the 70s-90s? Why now?

For the same reason I mentioned regarding extension of its forces role, JLaw.

I am not saying a thing for or against the process of China expanding to the first islands chain,
only about the pace of that move.

I wrote this in August 2013 :
In effect, Beijing’s intransigence is cutting away the softer Japanese options and serving the specter of a military and dominant position on a platter to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and his gang. Failure to correct this might end up as a historical shifting point to the potential war that we are examining and the main reason why I believe this analysis to be necessary.
Link.

By being tough and strict, China itself is furthering these changes, even creating the national social
climate in Japan for them to pass. Again, I'm not judging. I can think of reasons ( or points of view )
why your leaders could consider this to be their best options. The fact remains that this is the cause.

Good evening, Tay.

 

[Speeder 2]

Perhaps the Pantagon can send 50,000 Japnese troops to fight ISIS as Japan's first, and maybe the last as well , overseas war mission?

 

[Kyle Sun]

All right . Finaly the day is coming.
It is time to expand our military budget to normal level and prapare the day.

 

[70U63]

The word he used (parasite) might be not right, however we can't deny that there are some Japanese (whether they are ultra nationalist or not) don't want US troops in their homeland.

Isn't he's kinda right wingish though? I've been watching propaganda channel like KSM and others in YT. Either he is, or He could be just some 2ch user who likes screwing around, imo.

 

[yoshi.oda]

It is quite a big deal. Your diet has (partly) voted to overturn one of the defining clauses of your post war constitution.

It is substantial, next we remove Americans out, next to become nuclear armed.

Perhaps the Pantagon can send 50,000 Japnese troops to fight ISIS as Japan's first, and maybe the last as well , overseas war mission?

This generation not understand Japanese soldier abilities. When unleash our soldiers will crush these terrorists. They don't understand real meaning of pain, yet. Understand?

 

[billyong]

It is substantial, next we remove Americans out, next to become nuclear armed.



This generation not understand Japanese soldier abilities. When unleash our soldiers will crush these terrorists. They don't understand real meaning of pain, yet. Understand?

I always amazed at how Japanese have so much confidence at their military power. At this point, even so confident at their most weak ground troops.
For the sake of this is military forum, let me enlighten your Japanese soldier abilities and why you will not crush those terrorist.
1. JGSDF is weakest in JSDF. JSDF's fancy expensive tank can survive better than Russian battle experienced tank is still a question mark.
2. None of JSDF fought in any shape of war for past 70 years beside played a few war game with US! Inexperienced!
( Dont! bring WW2 BS here!)
3. JGSDF has one of worst military conscription at all time low! This is because the current otaku/hikikomori culture in Japan. They see join JGSDF as job and working 9AM-5pm.
4. You are fighting ISIS, not the terrorists holding a knife attacking people on street.
5. You fight on their territories, they know their place.
6. They are everywhere

 

[Speeder 2]

When unleash our soldiers will crush these terrorists. They don't understand real meaning of pain, yet. Understand?

so it will be kamikaze Vs suicide bomber, and see who gets whom first?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

To be honest, Japan has over 9,000 tonnes of military grade plutonium on reserve. That is enough for Japan to produce over 1,000 nuclear warheads. If Japan so wishes.

As for transport, Japan vis a vis JAXA has the platform to deliver any warhead on global basis and can reach practically every inch , nook and cranny in this world.

For example:

Japan has the capability to mass produce (come on we're talking about Japan here, a master of robotic mass production lines) nuclear warheads that can eradicate nations --- if we so wish it. Its not a basis of 'if' we can, its a base of 'when' we want to. That's just the honest to god darn truth.

If the environment becomes hostile, then you will see that Japan will go nuclear. Just as how Japan has now adopted a more active military policy.

Japan is no Switzerland. Japan was a military power in the past, and she will maintain that character for the indefinite future , She will act accordingly given the threat perception in the region. It all depends on relevant partners from controlling the level of environmental political toxicity --- else --- Japan WILL go nuclear.

You don't have the optimal design because you can't test it without being detected. Once detected it will alert every other country in the region to step up their missile and nuclear programs, draw international sanctions and cutting of diplomatic ties. Japan cannot afford a single one of those happening because Japan depends on foreign trade for both markets and resources, as well as the assumption that everyone else with nukes has been technologically standing stll with them.

You don't have hardened facilities (note the above-ground launch facility) and a second strike capability - until you get them, the only way you get to actually use your nukes is in a first strike. If you strike first at anyone, Japan will sink in the counterstrike. Second strike requires strategic depth, which Japan doesn't have.

So, tell me what is the use of the empty threat besides forcing China and Russia to invest more in the military?

 

[TaiShang]

The "normalization" is not a new phenomenon. Perhaps it was Rumfsfeld that really put the things in motion in Japan. Thus, normalization definitely has very little to do with China's island genesis program (if I may borrow from my friend Nihonjin) in the SCS, which is a very recent phenomenon. The Japanese governments have been under US pressure to revive their constitution to allow for a greater responsibility for the Japanese Armed Forces to take alongside the United States. It was bound to happen with or without China's actions in the SCS. China's organic growth and increase of its national power must surely play a role but it is secondary as far as the US' global policies are concerned. In this case, we might see Japan to take more active part in US anti-terrorism efforts in the Greater Middle East . Blessing or curse, one has to decide. With its military normalized, Japanese can hardly say "no" if they came under US pressure. One thing is for sure, they cannot easily be mobilized against the major interests of a major nuclear power that stands dangerously close to Japan. Therefore, Japan's normalization is as much of a blessing or a curse for China as for India.

This is, however, only one of the steps toward normalization. If Japan really wants to become yet again a normal country, it has to be able to demonstrate the political and strategic capability to get rid of the US military presence and stand on its own feet.

 

[yoshi.oda]

The "normalization" is not a new phenomenon. Perhaps it was Rumfsfeld that really put the things in motion in Japan. Thus, normalization definitely has very little to do with China's island genesis program (if I may borrow from my friend Nihonjin) in the SCS, which is a very recent phenomenon. The Japanese governments have been under US pressure to revive their constitution to allow for a greater responsibility for the Japanese Armed Forces to take alongside the United States. It was bound to happen with or without China's actions in the SCS. China's organic growth and increase of its national power must surely play a role but it is secondary as far as the US' global policies are concerned. In this case, we might see Japan to take more active part in US anti-terrorism efforts in the Greater Middle East . Blessing or curse, one has to decide. With its military normalized, Japanese can hardly say "no" if they came under US pressure. One thing is for sure, they cannot easily be mobilized against the major interests of a major nuclear power that stands dangerously close to Japan. Therefore, Japan's normalization is as much of a blessing or a curse for India as for China.

This is, however, only one of the steps toward normalization. If Japan really wants to become yet again a normal country, it has to be able to demonstrate the political and strategic capability to get rid of the US military presence and stand on its own feet.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You don't have the optimal design because you can't test it without being detected. Once detected it will alert every other country in the region to step up their missile and nuclear programs, draw international sanctions and cutting of diplomatic ties. Japan cannot afford a single one of those happening because Japan depends on foreign trade for both markets and resources, as well as the assumption that everyone else with nukes has been technologically standing stll with them.

You don't have hardened facilities (note the above-ground launch facility) and a second strike capability - until you get them, the only way you get to actually use your nukes is in a first strike. If you strike first at anyone, Japan will sink in the counterstrike. Second strike requires strategic depth, which Japan doesn't have.

So, tell me what is the use of the empty threat besides forcing China and Russia to invest more in the military?

Before to finalize the design of the H-bomb, Japan needs to actually test one in the Pacific Ocean in order to get the first hand data that could put into the simulation test with the supercomputer.

This kind of solution isn't diplomatically sustainable, so it is practically too late for Japan to catch the bus.

And Japan won't get the nuclear weapons even she really wants to possess one, at least the thermonuclear one.

 

[yoshi.oda]

Too many Chinese naysay here. When did Chinese become Japan specialist ? Can understand how you all make nonsense?

Before to finalize the design of the H-bomb, Japan needs to actually test one in the Pacific Ocean in order to get the first hand data that could put into the simulation test with the supercomputer.

This kind of solution isn't diplomatically sustainable, so it is practically too late for Japan to catch the bus.

And Japan won't get the nuclear weapons even she really wants to possess one, at least the thermonuclear one.

Don't worry about our testing we find place to test on, Chinese

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Too many Chinese naysay here. When did Chinese become Japan specialist ? Can understand how you all make nonsense?



Don't worry about our testing we find place to test on, Chinese

Because as long as the US still exists, it won't leave Japan, so it is fruitless to discuss how Japan is going to become a nuclear power. This is some fundamental knowledge in the diplomatic world.

And do you think that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the only damages that the US could have done to Japan?

Remember the plaza accord, the US just had successfully looted 20 years of your hard work by just forced you guys to sign it.

Japan is truly a sandwich living between the big boys like USA/China/Russia.

 

[Aepsilons]

That barrier is hardly unbreachable, but it would demand quite a feat of political persuasion on Tokyo's part. As the learned strategist Mike Tyson points out, "everyone has a strategy 'til they get punched in the mouth." Memo to nuclear-weapons advocates: duck!

Nor are the strategic, operational, and technical challenges less daunting. A nuclear triad — land- and sea-based missiles combined with weapons delivered by manned bombers — holds little promise in light of Japan's lack of geographic depth and the vulnerability of surface ships and aircraft to enemy action. That means fielding an undersea deterrent would be Tokyo's best nuclear option. But doing so would be far from easy. The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force operates an impressive fleet of diesel submarines but has no experience with naval nuclear propulsion. And that leaves aside the difficulty of developing sea-launched ballistic missiles and their nuclear payloads.

Such engineering challenges are far from insoluble for Japan's scientific-technical complex but cannot be conquered overnight. A force of nuclear-powered ballistic-missile subs, or SSBNs, thus looks like a remote prospect for Japan. As an interim solution, the JMSDF might construct cruise missiles resembling the U.S. Navy's old TLAM-Ns, or nuclear-tipped Tomahawks. JMSDF boats could fire such missiles through torpedo tubes, the easiest method. Or, shipyards could backfit Japanese subs with vertical launchers — much as the U.S. Navy installed Tomahawk launchers in its fast attack boats starting in the late Cold War.

The problem of constructing nuclear weapons small enough to fit on a missile would remain — but nuclear-armed diesel boats would represent a viable course of action should Japan decide to join the nuclear-weapons club. Years down the road, then — not overnight — a modest Japanese nuclear deterrent might put out to sea. Will Tokyo proceed down that road? I doubt it. But the prospect no longer appears unthinkable.

 

[Aepsilons]

Don't worry about our testing we find place to test on, Chinese

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