Japan, China in spat over nuclear arsenal

[gambit]

China is definitely the next asian leader,but the question is will it use its growing power to work for the interests of all asian countries or intimdate them.Like usa which is nominally leader of nato but works with others as equals more or less.Also china has territorial issues with india,vietnam,russia,taiwan.If this issues are resolved militarily it will not send a right message to the world.It would only isolate china and play into us hands,even if china should win.China would get sarrounded by india and japan ,two nuclear powers on both sides with us and nato backing.
And there are comments like japan will be eclipsed by vietnam are retarded,japanese are a proud,advanced and hardworking people ..While japanese comments on another soveriegn country's arsenal was unacceptable,it does show japan's anxiety with the growth of military power in its neighbourhood.Now japan has the ability to make thousands of nukes if it wanted and i don't think a nuclear japan at china's doorstep is in its interests.
I think china can be the asian leader if its prepared to act as the first among equals amongst asian countries,and not big brother.Then it can bring india and japan into its influence.
I think india and japan are key to chinese future as asian leader because-
I know many people will say india is a ****** country of beggars and so on,caste and poverty and u ovestimate india and...so on.But
firstly,whether u like it or not india is the second fastest growing economic power.
secondly its population is nearly equal to china.thirdly its a nuclear power.fourthly and importantly india's geographical position is key,it guards the indian ocean.
Now onto japan . japan is a very powerful economy.IT also posseses the most powerful navy in the east.
secondly it can easliy be a very powerful nuclear power.[they have stockpiled plutonium for 10,000 warheads]
4rthly it guards the pacific ocean.

India and japan are both china's gateways to the indian and pacific ocean.

Now the question is is china prepared to make some sacrifices for asia's interest and harmony?
If its prepared to,i don't see any problem with a asian leader china.If it holds asia's interests as its own like usa does with all nato countries.
If u want to be leader u must lead by example .

Very good, sir. The Chinese leadership seems to be divided on how to position China among the lesser Asian countries. The longer this uncertainty, the more difficult it will be for these lesser Asian nation-states to be willing to follow China's lead in Asia. And when they do decide, in their best collective interests, to have an outsider, be it the US or a NATO-like organization led by US or an American ally, to lead them, China will be seen as a national security threat.

My thoughts. thank u.

No...Thank YOU.

 

[below_freezing]

Japan is rather advanced in nuclear technology.

If they start producing nuclear weapons and delivery systems China would start crying foul.

they are advanced in the reactor itself, but the nuclear reaction is the first and most basic step of nuclear weapons. north korea, can make the reaction work.

the real problem is ICBMs to deliver it.

 

[applesauce]

Very good, sir. The Chinese leadership seems to be divided on how to position China among the lesser Asian countries. The longer this uncertainty, the more difficult it will be for these lesser Asian nation-states to be willing to follow China's lead in Asia. And when they do decide, in their best collective interests, to have an outsider, be it the US or a NATO-like organization led by US or an American ally, to lead them, China will be seen as a national security threat.


No...Thank YOU.

the ccp leadership do seem generally like they are still trying to decide what they will be to the world, but for countries next china to to take the step and view china as a threat when it has made no aggressive moves is not in their benefit either guess we'll wait a while longer and see.

 

[applesauce]

they are advanced in the reactor itself, but the nuclear reaction is the first and most basic step of nuclear weapons. north korea, can make the reaction work.

the real problem is ICBMs to deliver it.

japan has good rockets too but due to their pacifist constitution and the fact that if japan gets a nuke there will be an arms race, given japans history many in asia will be wanting a nuclear and it wont be long before it spread all over the world and a arms race is not good for a economy if you dont really need it especially considering japan will soon not be the largest economy in asia an intense arms race is not good for them(and everyone else too).

 

[below_freezing]

japan has good rockets too but due to their pacifist constitution and the fact that if japan gets a nuke there will be an arms race, given japans history many in asia will be wanting a nuclear and it wont be long before it spread all over the world and a arms race is not good for a economy if you dont really need it especially considering japan will soon not be the largest economy in asia an intense arms race is not good for them(and everyone else too).

a ballistic missile is only the first step. even if japan gets its act together, actually manufacturing the missile takes months, and to build a survivable nuclear force takes years to decades. japan also has no experience with long range land attack cruise missiles. in a real war, before they can even decide to assemble a nuclear weapon tokyo would already be occupied.

 

[SomeGuy]

Instead of pestering China to lower its number of nukes, Japs should pester the other P5 nations to lower their nukes numbers to the level of China's.

Good luck trying

 

[T-Rex]

Instead of pestering China to lower its number of nukes, Japs should pester the other P5 nations to lower their nukes numbers to the level of China's.

Good luck trying

I don't understand how Japan opposes the Chinese having nukes while remaining silent about the largest possessor of the nukes. With this kind of attitude Japan does not have any credibility, its sincerity is questionable.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

a ballistic missile is only the first step. even if japan gets its act together, actually manufacturing the missile takes months, and to build a survivable nuclear force takes years to decades. japan also has no experience with long range land attack cruise missiles. in a real war, before they can even decide to assemble a nuclear weapon tokyo would already be occupied.

Your undersestimation of japanese capability and technological advancement amzaes me.
First of all ,japan does not need ICBM to threaten the chinese mainland,only short range ballistic missiles.And they have technology to build and stockpile these very very easily.
In a conflict ,japan wud have total us support and usa posseses everything japan might need.
Thirdly currently china lacks the amphibious capablity to properly in vade taiwan let alone japan.
Fourthly ,the japanese navy is the most advanced and deadliest in asia.if u think the chinese can just invade japan by sending people on amphibious landing craft to occupy tokyo u are deluded.The chinese navy will have to operate away from its home waters and close to japan's land based aircraft and navy.The chinese navy though fast expanding and large,is inexperienced with no history of combat experience while the japanese navy is a proud force with a great military tradition.Combine this with the fact that the japanese
navy will be fully supported by the usn and usaf i don't see how the chinese navy will even get a force ashore let alone occupy tokyo.
fifthly.The japanese are a proud people ,and any land invasion of the japanese mainland will only face fanatical resistance.This is the reason us dropped nukes on japan becoz it was deemed a land invasion of japan would be too costly in terms of american lives.
So my friend i'm afraid ur hypothesis of occupying tokyo is a little too farfetched.
Thank u.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

I like Japan, but it's short-sighted stupidity like this from high-command Japanese that proves unproductive.

If Japan does not adhere to Asian Spirit of Family & Cooperation, they will soon be further isolated (see the Toyota treatment by hands of Americans). Japan right now is a large Asian economic & technological power, but it's relative share is QUICKLY DECLINING. In 10 years China will become the most advance nation on the planet, surpassing both USA & Japan. In 20 years, China will eclipse all other nations. In 30 years the difference will be significant. Not only that but regional players such as ASEAN (lead by Vietnam & Indonesia) will far surpass Japan. The reasonable thing is to recognize its natural position in Asia. This is no longer the 1940s -- Japan needs to wake up from its Imperialistic desires. Japan was, is, and will only be one of many descendant nations of China.

I read this......and then you think Indians are arrogant?

 

[kamakazi attack]

There are a growing group of academics in japan that wants Japan to move closer to Asia and away from the US- dominated western group of countries.

It would be wise for China to foster good relations with Japan thereby moving more of Japanese people to favor China.

the majority of Chinese are still angry at Japan and its leaders sometime use this to stoke nationalism when needed.

base on reading stuff here, hopefully none of you chinese will ever have jobs up at the top because with your kind of attitude Asia will go up in flame.

give it a break, you actually think Japan is afraid of china's nukes? or anybody?

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

There are a growing group of academics in japan that wants Japan to move closer to Asia and away from the US- dominated western group of countries.

It would be wise for China to foster good relations with Japan thereby moving more of Japanese people to favor China.

the majority of Chinese are still angry at Japan and its leaders sometime use this to stoke nationalism when needed.

base on reading stuff here, hopefully none of you chinese will ever have jobs up at the top because with your kind of attitude Asia will go up in flame.

give it a break, you actually think Japan is afraid of china's nukes? or anybody?

Answer: Yes.

Just look at the groveling done by Toyoda to FALSE accusations of "pedal acceleration".

Just look at the Okinawa Naval base -- can't fulfill electron promise (even when vast majority of Japanese want Yankees OUT) because of FEAR of Americans.

Just look at the lack of human dignity by lowering themselves as foot mats for the "Aryan master race".



The Japanese have been "castrated" by the Americans. It's futile denying something so obvious. The youths of Japan nowadays are so dis-illusioned and remote from their parents it a major concern for nearly all Japanese --- this is what they honestly admit themselves.

But not all hope is lost. They still have some remaining dignity and ambition --- the question remains, will the leadership of Nippon take it towards world peace & cooperation (starting with Asia)??? or will it return to Yamato Imperialism??? The first choice will lead to common prosperity, but the latter will end up in futility. Japan MUST choose peace & cooperation if it wants a future for itself and its neighbors.




I know you don't represent Japanese, as most overseas Japanese are much different from Nihonjin. Sure you can say the same with most overseas ethnic groups. But there's one thing missing.....

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

I read this......and then you think Indians are arrogant?

One is based on concrete reality, and the other is based on dreams of "Akhand Bharat".

There are many things where USA leads, and many things where Japan leads, but just as many (or more) things where China leads. This is a honest assessment. Whereas 'Ashoka' is a myth created by 3 Englishmen two centuries ago.

 

[kamakazi attack]

Answer: Yes.

Just look at the groveling done by Toyoda to FALSE accusations of "pedal acceleration".

Just look at the Okinawa Naval base -- can't fulfill electron promise (even when vast majority of Japanese want Yankees OUT) because of FEAR of Americans.

Just look at the lack of human dignity by lowering themselves as foot mats for the "Aryan master race".



The Japanese have been "castrated" by the Americans. It's futile denying something so obvious. The youths of Japan nowadays are so dis-illusioned and remote from their parents it a major concern for nearly all Japanese --- this is what they honestly admit themselves.

But not all hope is lost. They still have some remaining dignity and ambition --- the question remains, will the leadership of Nippon take it towards world peace & cooperation (starting with Asia)??? or will it return to Yamato Imperialism??? The first choice will lead to common prosperity, but the latter will end up in futility. Japan MUST choose peace & cooperation if it wants a future for itself and its neighbors.




I know you don't represent Japanese, as most overseas Japanese are much different from Nihonjin. Sure you can say the same with most overseas ethnic groups. But there's one thing missing.....

Japan is the only nation to stand up to the white man when the rest of the world was being carved up by Europeans.

While China and India both were beaten into submission by the West Japan was smart enough, brass enough to modernize and play the West'
game. While China and India with it hundred of millions of citizens and unlimited amount of natural resources was getting a smack down at the hands of the West, Japan(a small island) brought down imperial russia.

The Indonesians, Fillippinos, Vietnamese saw how Japanese gave a whooping to Europeans in WW2, after the war while they hated the Japnese just as much nor even more Asians stood up to the West( ie viets vs french in indochina)

door mat to the aryan race?

Japanese people are confident and need not to pull the race card. Toyota have been winning every American Awards for the pass decades and making billions in the US. When it try to expand too fast it was arrogant and made some major errors, so now Toyota with all the problems self-inflicted is going to pull out the race card?

Toyota have just as much clout in US politics as GM and Ford. But when you make cars that are dangerous it doesn't matter if you're GM or Toyota you will be scrutinized.


Japan is at the top or near the top of every poll in the US or worldwide for that matters when it come to the most admired people.

when Japanese see its sports stars being well loved by Americans, its products being gobble up by Americans, Japanese aren't going to get defensive about toyota especially when at home Toyota is in trouble too?

most of Asia especially China love to blame Japan for its imperialistic past. Looking back it would've been nice to see Japan stood up for Asians.

China and India were both victimized big time by the British, but Indians would rather hate on China for the 1962 war and yet harbour no hatred towards the british who robbed India over centruries. The British took Hong Kong and yet I don't see much anger from Chinese towards the UK either.

Talk about being a "door mat the aryan race"

 

[below_freezing]

oh please. pre-1945 and post-1945 history are way different ball games. fact is, post 1945 china did things that japan has never done and never will do:

defeat the US in a war. not once but twice.

and we did it without resorting to japanese brutality.

besides, if japan isn't scared of our nukes, or in fact not scared of anyone, STOP COMPLAINING. since you obviously aren't scared, don't talk when our subs and ships are near your waters. don't talk about our nukes. just nod your head when the americans talk. you aren't scared right?

 

[kamakazi attack]

what like beat a bunch of helpless monks?

beat the Americans but get a beat down by the vietnamese?

I gueese vietnamese are the biggest dog ever, not only did they spank uncle sam they also spank uncle wang.