Janes: Pakistan signs for T129 attack helos

[Super Falcon]

Pak marines should get few

 

[waz]

Attack helicopters are very important part in countering any future cold start based Indian misadventure as they can rain hell with deadly accuracy on enemy moving troops and can be deployed very rapidly, they might be first ones to face enemy ground forces.

In conjunction bro, India has far too much AA, mobile as well for the choppers to go in first. For India it is the same thing with their soon to be delivered Apache E's.

 

[Basel]

In conjunction bro, India has far too much AA, mobile as well for the choppers to go in first. For India it is the same thing with their soon to be delivered Apache E's.

If deployed with other assets properly they can stop advancing enemy, if you see how AH-64s did nap of earth operations then you will understand how deadly these helicopters can be even in presence of SAMS/AA, and defenders have to hold enemy advance so the pressure will be on attacking force to gain ground and keep moving, if these birds can even slow down advance they have done their job.

Will love to seen them in combo strike package of attack helis + UCAVS + light CAS by PAF supporting ground forces.

What Pakistan can do is arm UCAVs with PL-5E or equivalent AAM to counter attacking AH-64s, they will be good force multiplier along with T-129 armed with 8 UMTAS-ER + 2 AIM-9 + guided rocket pods (all weapons with range of 8 km at least).

 

[dBSPL]

Attack helicopters are very important part in countering any future cold start based Indian misadventure as they can rain hell with deadly accuracy on enemy moving troops and can be deployed very rapidly, they might be first ones to face enemy ground forces.

With MWR, it is possible to engage more effectively with armored targets. In addition, real-time data integration increases the net-centric warfare strike power of land armies. Not only against asymmetrical targets, but also a highly effective multiplier against organized armored units. Pakistan's acquisition of a MWR-capable helicopter will lead to new costs for Indian armored troops.

 

[CHI RULES]

i don't Think AH1Z will be in numbers like that but I can however see T129 & Z-10 working together. Z-10 especially being in far greater number with T-129 in reserve and for defined roles.

The older cobra can be rebuilt if I know one thing after the repair of the AWAC's and The P3 Orion not forgetting the Mirage fleet. The old cobras will not be retired.

Sir AH1s are facing problems they can't fly higher then 11000 ft and have already been refurbished, they are now much costlier to handle. The Mirages of PAF are also being retained on no choice basis. We have lost capable pilots in continuous accidents of Mirage-IIIs and F7s. Same should not be repeated with AH1s. We should get T129 and other replacements. We cannot follow Iran's way as they have rebuilded there Super Cobras along with copies. They have no choices to replace them due to sanctions but on other side have large number of trained personnel like China and better resources than Pakistan. Pakistan should go for some sort of TOT for T129.

 

[Basel]

With MWR, it is possible to engage more effectively with armored targets. In addition, real-time data integration increases the net-centric warfare strike power of land armies. Not only against asymmetrical targets, but also a highly effective multiplier against organized armored units.

Is Turkey working on long range (12km) Mizrek-U? also a ATGM in class of Brimestone is needed which could engage targets upto 25kms.

 

[dBSPL]

Is Turkey working on long range (12km) Mizrek-U? also a ATGM in class of Brimestone is needed which could engage targets upto 25kms.

TEMREN project is running(In many respects comparable to Spike-Nlos). It will be based on UMTAS/Mizrak architecture and will have a range of 20 km engagement and can be adapted to the needs of land-aviators in case of need.

 

[Basel]

TEMREN project is running. It will be based on UMTAS/Mizrak architecture and will have a range of 20 km engagement and can be adapted to the needs of land-aviators in case of need.

When MMW radar will be ready for T-129?

 

[dBSPL]

When MMW radar will be ready for T-129?

MILDAR MWR is ready. Integration activities are underway.

 

[waz]

If deployed with other assets properly they can stop advancing enemy, if you see how AH-64s did nap of earth operations then you will understand how deadly these helicopters can be even in presence of SAMS/AA,

To be honest bro I asked many Apache pilots this myself, they said active AA missiles that outrange their longbow radar is a nightmare they would never risk. It would be the job of the airforce to take them out before they go in. I wrote a detailed post about this from last year's RIAT.

 

[Basel]

To be honest bro I asked many Apache pilots this myself, they said active AA missiles that outrange their longbow radar is a nightmare they would never risk. It would be the job of the airforce to take them out before they go in. I wrote a detailed post about this from last year's RIAT.

You are right, but one must remember that they were the attackers not the defenders, AA are not that effective while moving, IA have good SAMS (only TOR can be fired on the move if I m Correct) but PA will have to take risk to stop them.

 

[waz]

You are right, but one must remember that they were the attackers not the defenders, AA are not that effective while moving, IA have good SAMS (only TOR can be fired on the move if I m Correct) but PA will have to take risk to stop them.

Oh right, let me rephrase it, I actually asked the question in terms of two standing armies fighting and they said the above.
But anyway the general gist is right i.e. used in an anti-armour role.

 

[Basel]

Oh right, let me rephrase it, I actually asked the question in terms of two standing armies fighting and they said the above.
But anyway the general gist is right i.e. used in an anti-armour role.

I discussed the matter with a PAA AH-1 pilot, and he agreed that they may be one of those facing Indian Cold Start, and one thing to be remembered is that they are dare devils, also PA understand importance of UCAVs & force multipliers hope they deploy those in required numbers.

 

[Kamil_baku]

In conjunction bro, India has far too much AA, mobile as well for the choppers to go in first. For India it is the same thing with their soon to be delivered Apache E's.

Actually once Akkor hard kill protection system is ready, they can use it in helicopters too as its easy to see coming missiles for helicopters for the heat signature...

 

[Trango Towers]

I think PA will try to place an order for 12 more AH-Z1's , and America as usual use it as a leverage over Pakistan .. I can see doors are close for further F-Sola but AH-Z1 can be a Possibility ..

We should buy more t129 no more American stuff