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Janes: India withdraws from FGFA project, leaving Russia to go it alone

Time to merge Chinese and Russian defense industry and co produce real kick *** monsters.

Why not just merge with Russia itself ?

You can call it Chiussia. The largest nation on the planet.

Just imagine all those oil resources at your disposal. A formal communist nation to boot. How lucky. :agree:
 
when your sleeping partner is so bad, u are better off doing on your own.


A Reporter's Epic Eye Roll Enthralls China, Sparks Memes Then Gets Censored.

The reporter’s name, Liang Xiangyi, is the second most blocked term on Weibo now, surpassing even “constitutional change” and “Xi Jinping,”.

 
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India hasn’t given a penny for most projects.


Certainly hasn’t contributed anything to the T-50 technically or financially, nor was there any contributions for any of the dozens of projects such as Armata (T-14, T-15) Orion, Coalitsya, KA-50, Uran-9, Kurgants, Boomerang, Iskandar, Altius-M, Typhoon, Yak-130, TU-214R, Tigre or some of the recently declassified projects such as Poseidon, Avangard, Sarmat....

Russia put aside 700 billions for new weapons perchases. I think it will manage.

Fair.
Develop the FGFA into full platform and proves it .We will buy it like S 400.

After USSR split, Russia was trying to save themselves from economy collapse and Chechen war, why they wanted to create more problem to be India's strategic partner against China?

And stop bullsh1t again, Russia had always favor India by selling better fighters and more deathly weapon to India than to China while we got the basic Su-27s, India got Su30-mki. As for China we know that we can't rely on Russian export for our national security and it's been expected that their will sell China downgrade version to please India.

As for Su-35, it was India who refused to buy but go for Rafale instead, if India bought 300+ of Su-35 as they traditionally bought SU-30mki, Russia will certainly refuse the sale to China. It's last thing Russia to do it's to sell high tech weaponry to China but they need income to save their defense industry, China happen to be at the right opportunity to get Su-35 deal. For Su-57, India will have nothing to say Russia can sell to anyone as please them, I don't see what China needs Su-57 when we have J-20.

Russia also sold Su 27 to India .It was India that convert it in to a mighty platform like Su 30 MKI.

Please cut this BS .
China directly copy their fighters to J series
 
Great loss for India. Great Win for US.

Very apparent that India succumbed to the US pressure.
 
Russia also sold Su 27 to India .It was India that convert it in to a mighty platform like Su 30 MKI.

Please cut this BS .
China directly copy their fighters to J series

Are you saying that Russia sold Su-27 and India added canards and trust vectoring engine to your MKI :rofl:.
Yes we haven't deny that we copies the basic Su-27 and make it better with our fire control system to be able to operate all our design Missiles.
 
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What you're trying to prove with the graphic? Russia had always favor India in military deal compare to China, but we don't really care much about what Russia sold to India but reversely India always worry of what Russia sold to China. And It's laughable that some Indians claim to be able to convert Russia aircraft by themselves such as SU-30mki.
 
US wanted India to officially withdraw from FGFA deal with Russia before US could share information about F-35.

Modi succumbed to US pressure and scrapped the FGFA deal with Russia.
 
Sources close to the Pentagon say India would not be sold the F-35 as long as it is partnering Russia in the FGFA co-development project. That is because Washington would guard against the leakage of F-35 technology into the FGFA.

US raised the concern and Modi obliged by cancelling the FGFA deal with Russia.

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Capability jump: IAF looks to buy fifth-generation F-35 fighter

IAF to request for classified briefing from Lockheed Martin

By Ajai Shukla
Business Standard, 15th Feb 18

In what would be a huge capability jump, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is increasingly interested in procuring the American F-35 Lightning II for its depleting fighter fleet.

Business Standard learns the IAF top brass is formally requesting for a classified briefing by the F-35’s prime builder, Lockheed Martin, on the capabilities of the sophisticated, fifth-generation fighter developed under the US Joint Strike Fighter programme.

The US government has not formally offered the F-35 to India. A classified briefing would require formal clearance from the US Department of Defence (the Pentagon) and the State Department. The grant of such a clearance would be an important first step towards permitting the sale of F-35s to India.

It is learnt the IAF wants to procure 126 of the variant called F-35A – the air force version of the fighter that incorporates “conventional take-off and landing”, or CTOL. Another variant, the F-35B, incorporating “short take-off and vertical landing”, or (STOVL), has been developed for the US Marine Corps. A third version, developed for the US Navy, incorporates “catapult assisted take-off but arrested recovery (CATOBAR).

The Indian Navy, which has never ruled out operating the F-35 off Indian aircraft carriers, has received a briefing on the F-35 as far back as 2010, Lockheed Martin official Orville Prins told this correspondent. However, at that stage, the F-35 was still grappling with serious development challenges.

The F-35’s affordability is also attractive for New Delhi. In contrast to the bare-bones price of $115 million for each Rafale fighter (with India-specific enhancements, spares, logistics and weapons all extra), the F-35A cost customers $94.6 million last February. Lockheed Martin says it will reduce the cost to $80 million by 2020.

A fifth-generation fighter is characterised by a “stealth design”, making it far more difficult for radar to detect; “supercruise”, or the ability to fly at supersonic speeds without engaging engine afterburners; and highly networked avionics that detect and engage enemy aircraft using a range of sensors and weapons across the battle-space.

The only true fifth-generation fighters in service are the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II. China is developing two stealth fighters – the J-20 Chengdu and the J-31 Shenyang. Russia is developing its own fifth-generation fighter, the PAK-FA, and has offered India a partnership role in developing the PAK-FA into the eponymous Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) for the IAF. Negotiations on roles and costing are over, but the Indian defence ministry is yet to accept.

The United Progressive Alliance (UPA) defence minister, AK Antony, had ruled out buying the F-35, stating that India would meet its short-term requirement of fifth-generation fighters with the FGFA. For the IAF’s long-term needs, the Defence R&D Organisation is developing the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

Sources close to the Pentagon say India would not be sold the F-35 as long as it is partnering Russia in the FGFA co-development project. That is because Washington would guard against the leakage of F-35 technology into the FGFA.

Senior officers say the IAF is not enthused about the FGFA project. They point out the F-35 is further advanced in development and has already entered service with the USAF and six-seven air forces of American allies.

For Lockheed Martin, an Indian request for the F-35 would create a dilemma. The US company would rather have the IAF buy the F-16 Block 70, which it has offered to build in India in partnership with Tata Advanced Systems Ltd (TASL).

For Lockheed Martin, that would keep alive the F-16 assembly line, which has long functioned from Fort Worth, Texas, and has now moved temporarily to Greenville, South Carolina, where it is building a $2.8 billion order from Bahrain for 19 F-16V fighters.

The Fort Worth facility has been made over to building the F-35, of which over 3,000 are already on order.

Meanwhile, the assembly line in India would build new F-16s for the IAF, as well as for orders that Lockheed Martin expects from southeast Asian and central European countries. It would also provide overhaul and upgrade facilities for the estimated 3,000 F-16 fighters in service worldwide, in some 25 air forces.

As this newspaper reported (December 16, “Lockheed Martin says F-16 orders flowing in”) Lockheed Martin calculates that an Indian line would benefit, in the medium term, from new fighter orders worth $16 billion, and $6.5 billion in upgrading old F-16s.

Simultaneously, American jobs would get a lease of life, as F-16 suppliers in the US would continue feeding into the integration line in India. At least 50 per cent of the F-16 by value would continue to be made in America.

For all these reasons, Lockheed Martin is painting the F-16 Block 70 sale to the IAF as a stepping stone to eventually obtaining the F-35.

While the US has supplied the F-35 only to close allies, Washington insiders say India’s recent designation as a Major Defence Partner (MDP), and a groundswell of goodwill towards New Delhi, make conditions propitious for an Indian request. An indicator is the recent permission granted for the sale to India of the Sea Guardian unmanned aerial vehicle – so far sold only to close allies.

In 2011, the influential US Senate Armed Services Committee requested the Pentagon to study the feasibility of an F-35 sale to India. Senators John Cornyn (co-chair of the Senate India Caucus) and Joseph Lieberman spearheaded the proposal.

But US officials in Washington also complain about fatigue at New Delhi’s tardiness in following up discussions with formal requests. The mood in the Pentagon, say these officials, is: “Let New Delhi ask for the F-35. Then we’ll take things forward.”

The defence ministry and the IAF have not responded to an emailed request for comments.


Again you are clueless and nothing to back it up with.
 
LOL again.

US has already briefed the IN about the F35 way back in 2010 or thereabout. At that time we were still partners on the FGFA.

This too is only for a call for briefing about the F35 to the IAF. Its not any sale or even a sale proposal.

It has no link to FGFA and if you think that it does, then you are an idiot. :lol:

Sources close to the Pentagon say India would not be sold the F-35 as long as it is partnering Russia in the FGFA co-development project. That is because Washington would guard against the leakage of F-35 technology into the FGFA.
 
China is inducting it's indigenous fifth gen fighter, Pakistan in planning it's fifth gen fighter and India is shelving it's fifth gen fighter.

How did this happen? I thought India was supposed to become the undisputed super power by 2020?
 
The graph is self explanatory. It shows the chinese reliance on Russian arms.

India now manufactures Su 30 MKI completely in India so I fail to see the joke. Maybe you need to surf the internet more, if its not illegal in china.

It's completely wrong of your interpretation, China is not relied on Russia as India, we buys limited quantities from Russia as opportunity to boost our defense industries and not as India to equip their front line. The only part that we admit to be depend on Russia was the engine. If Russia decide to not sell China any parts, our overall combat capability still be intact and We're still able to operate our fighter jets with out own engines.

India can only assemble from parts supplied by Russia, are you guys able to build the entire aircraft from scratch?
 
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