J15 vs MIG29k, Naval Tejas

[peaceful]

That might be economically best for China but it will not win in a war against a plane made by Russia which had all the way experience in building fighter aircrafts. I agree the current Tejas mk1 Naval version can also be less superior but Mk2 naval version with AESA arial refuelling etc will effectively counter its rivals.

Dude, J-15 is war better than Su-33 junk. Su-33 is way batter than Mig-29K. That is reason why China turned down Mig-29K and built its own J-15.
You also need to remember, our annual GDP is 40 trillion RMB, that is over 6 trillion USD, we have far more money than you can think of. We don't buy it because we know 1) Mig-29k is a joke, 2) you can't buy a strong defence force.

 

[tvsram1992]

I Agree with ur concern, Vikadi is small Carrier (Though it is 40,000 tonn but itc an carry lesser fighter, coz it was designed on footprint of battlecruiser)... Number is valid concern...

Su33 would have evolved if India would have shown interest in it.. By MiG29K delivery Su33 would have matched Su35BM standard..

J15: No one knows what chiniese put on Su27K to make it J15, Who knows they have AESA on its nose??

So you think chinese can deeply upgrade su33 than its manufacturers.
Here some might be confusing that Su33 as more advanced than Su30 series best aircrafts.
It is different way of development, it is called Su27k.
By the way we can call Mig29k, a Mig33 that would make real sense.

 

[tvsram1992]

A)Dude, J-15 is war better than Su-33 junk. Su-33 is way batter than Mig-29K. That is reason why China turned down Mig-29K and built its own J-15.
B)You also need to remember, our annual GDP is 40 trillion RMB, that is over 6 trillion USD, we have far more money than you can think of. We don't buy it because we know 1) Mig-29k is a joke, 2) you can't buy a strong defence force.

A)You are making a super junk out of that junk.
So you agree that Tejas mk2 would be better than rafale or eft.
since we went for Mk2 version than additional MRCA's.
B)Then why you couldnt have thousands of aircrafts like US?
Why you couldnt make a 4.5g fighter till now?
1.Atleast it has rcs reduction features and it can see Su33 before.
2.There were 6 best planes that competed for winning our aircraft deal.
And many were competing to supply trainers,warships,submarines,missiles,uav's,bmd systems ... and this will become a non ending list. We are not buying, we are making a strong defence force.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Guys break it off. Chineese friends put forward your views regarding your maritime adversaries like USAF, KoreanAF, Japaneese and taiwanise air force.
Indian guys...you know what it mean??

 

[unicorn148]

Many Chinese think that SU-33 is better than MIG-29k so J15 will be much better but they are wrong because MIG-29k comes with all the latest features and many developments made on the MIG-35 thats why Russia is planning to replace its fleet of SU-33 with MIG-29k

 

[DARKY]

Dude, J-15 is war better than Su-33 junk. Su-33 is way batter than Mig-29K. That is reason why China turned down Mig-29K and built its own J-15.
You also need to remember, our annual GDP is 40 trillion RMB, that is over 6 trillion USD, we have far more money than you can think of. We don't buy it because we know 1) Mig-29k is a joke, 2) you can't buy a strong defence force.

Guess what your post itself is a joke........
And you can't help ranting about GDP every 2nd time.........do you even know any thing other than the GDP figures of China??

 

[Anony]

Now there has been a lot of say about range, payload, length, size, etc of mig 29K and su 33.

I bring to U all a hypothetical scenario of war and how these figure effect.

In a war condition between navies of China and India none of the aircraft is used for deep penetration purpose. These will fly in a max 200km - 300km radius from their carrier as no anti-ship missile is launch from more than this distance. Thus combat radius of 500-600 km is satisfactory which both the aircraft posses.
Mig 29K - 700km-800km
Su 33 - 1000km -1100km
Note:- No needto carry additional fuel.

Payload - When aircraft flies for these type of combat mission payload of 3.5t is enough as U don't face 40-50 enemies tanks,anti aircraft missile, howitzers,etc. One must know that at a time U can face maximum of 3-4 ships with 5-6 aircraft including helicopters and fighters and also that you fly in group of 3-4 aircraft. Thus u need to carry a total of 8-10 different types of missiles which can ask for a maximum payload of 3.5t as already stated.
Mig 29K - 5ton
Su 33 - 7-8ton

Now if you compare avionics and manoveur of Mig 29K and Su 33, without doubt Mig 29K avionics beat hands down with 9g limit of Mig 29K compared to 8g of Su 33.
And also Mig 29K of India resembles close relationship with Mig 35 and is an upgraded version of older Mig 29K.

j -15 is a copy of Su 33 but I doubt China's ability to make it comparable to original Su 33. Though in recent time news is coming up like AESA radar in J 15 which is a good sign for chinese but again as I have stated both Zhuk ME radar on Mig 29K and AESA have the same range for tracking big ships like destroyers and frigates. Though AESA radar can track 15 targets up against 10 of Zhuk ME radar but both can simultaneously engage 4 targets.

So this tracking of 5 more targets can go in favour of Su 33/J-15 over Mig 29K.

One notable pt. is Mig 29KUB ,twin seat trainer version of Mig 29K can be used as AWACS platform if that type of radar is fitted on it.

 

[sancho]

One must know that at a time U can face maximum of 3-4 ships with 5-6 aircraft including helicopters and fighters and also that you fly in group of 3-4 aircraft. Thus u need to carry a total of 8-10 different types of missiles which can ask for a maximum payload of 3.5t as already stated.

That's not correct, a Carrier Battle Group includes at least 4 - 5 firgats and destroyers and none of them will sink with a single hit of a anti ship missiles, not to mention that modern missile defence systems on the vessels are very effective as well, that means you will need more missiles to when attacking them, let alone the carrier!
Also you scenarion was a CBG vs CBG fight, in this case both carriers with use the maximum ammount of fighters to attack the opponent and defend the own CBG, so there would be a lot more aircrafts to take down!

Mig 29K - 2 to 4 Kh 35 + 2 to 4 R77 + 2 R73
J15 - 4 to 6 ASMs + 4 to 6 BVR Ms + 2 to 4 WVR Ms

All this with more fuel internally, so they can send out their fighters for the first attack!

One notable pt. is Mig 29KUB ,twin seat trainer version of Mig 29K can be used as AWACS platform if that type of radar is fitted on it.

You are confusing things here. The MKI sometimes was called mini AWACS, because it diverted radar data via data links to other fighters with less capable radars. That has nothing to do with the number of seats, just with a capable radar and the necessary data links, any modern fighter can do the same.

 

[OrionHunter]

Note: please dont make it national pissing competition.

Now, that really pissed me off!

 

[INDIAISM]

Dude, J-15 is war better than Su-33 junk. Su-33 is way batter than Mig-29K. That is reason why China turned down Mig-29K and built its own J-15.
You also need to remember, our annual GDP is 40 trillion RMB, that is over 6 trillion USD, we have far more money than you can think of. We don't buy it because we know 1) Mig-29k is a joke, 2) you can't buy a strong defence force.

By Calling Mig29K a joke you are making yourself a laughing stock...Yes J15 will be better then Su33 because their is a difference of around 30 years between both of them...Buddy Russians were wearing three piece suits when you didn't even knew how to wear under garments.....



Btw very soon you will realise why India opted for Mig29K instead of Su33 when you will start landing this heavy beast on your aircraft carrier....Their was a reason why U.S Navy didn't go for Naval version of F15 or F22....Bigger doesn't always means better......

 

[sancho]

Guys, some of the post you are peplying to are a year old.

 

[posedion]

The last great Chinese victory in Tienanmen were on tanks and infantry the great leaders achieved the glory than, the next incident will be when they unleash junk 10 junk 11 junk 20 on their civilian population until the commie maggots are given justice similar to Gaddafi by the Chinese people

 

[posedion]

Dude, J-15 is war better than Su-33 junk. Su-33 is way batter than Mig-29K. That is reason why China turned down Mig-29K and built its own J-15.
You also need to remember, our annual GDP is 40 trillion RMB, that is over 6 trillion USD, we have far more money than you can think of. We don't buy it because we know 1) Mig-29k is a joke, 2) you can't buy a strong defence force.

Russians have been super power with proven technologies slum noodles producing junk 10 11 15 20 100 what does it matter

 

[帅的一匹]

Why put navy Tejas in the comparison, it just make nonsense.

 

[sancho]

Why put navy Tejas in the comparison, it just make nonsense.

Since it will be a naval carrier fighter that "could" face J15 it does make sense, although it might only be useful for A2A.