I don't much care what you do elsewhere.
Of course not, my point was that many a people elsewhere tried to debate this with me, from noobs to the fly boys and Think Tanks. None have succeeded.
I can tell you that the useless cobra was a subject of study when it first became apparent that the russians could do it. I have attended the seminar .. i know.
Well what do you have to say about the points I raised, it seems you're unwilling to debunk the points I raised while you disagree with them. Please Prove me wrong, instead of beating around the Bush.
please don't let me stop you .. watch more videos.
What about the points I raised?
'If you are talking about overall maneuverability... J-10A had decent wing loading, lower then the F-16's, F-15s wing loading, it pulls about the same level of G's as other aircraft and in terms of AoA, I can tell you this by just from watching videos of the J-10 that the AoA is at the very least comparable to the F-16A if not better!'
Have you chose to ignore them?
I have actually served ..I have flown in an M2000 .. have you?
Would you like a medal from me mate? anyway... you of all people should know what low wing loading, high AoA, and a good turn rate despite being a delta wing configuration means in terms of maneuverability.
If you have flown and served, I expect your knowledge to be above mine, so far your post haven't suggested anything of that order. So please prove me wrong instead boasting about what you've done and how that means anything about this debate.
I have monitored a lot of launches in my day.. most western and some russian weapons, and twice an israeli one and a Norwegian one, I have never seen a chinese weapon launched and I don't know what it can and what it cannot do. I will not drool over released press info, because I have seen that for the weapons I did monitor and it was miles from the truth.
Ah... so you've never witnessed them in that way now have you... tell me what kind of grounds do you hold to criticize things you don't understand?
And please don't go on to what your experiences with everything taught you, that has nothing to do with anything we are debating.
Please prove me wrong...
I have forgotten more about AESA than you will ever learn. My degrees are testament to that, for you I don't know you, you could be anything from 12 to 112. Who knows.
Ah more Chest thumping... then you of all people could tell me...
OF what we know about the J-10B's radar, why can't it face up to it's Russian/Western counter parts?
Going back to these points.
'The J-10B's AESA is said to have 1200 T/R modules and LPI features...
Next the Radomme should be larger than the JF-17's... therefore larger then even the Eurofighter's Captor, further justification of this view is the larger nose made to accommodate DSI. Not to mention it will have an outstanding power output to go along with it...'
Please do so.
The F-16 radar is amongst the most reliable I have seen. Inferior in some modes to the French RDY in the M2000 but overall, reliable. .a system you can count on.
The F-16 is undoubtedly one of the most reliable jets in the world, it's a reliable and proven machine... I'm not debating that.
The F-16 is a very agile aircraft ..in ways you cannot imagine. there is more to agility than wing loading. And you tell me to not talk about things I do not understand. right.
Well you tell me then... G limits, Turn rates, AoA, wing loading, control surfaces, thrust/powerplant, drag weight, inertia.
Tell me which the J-10B lacks and please by all means if you know more then i do, then kindly enlighten me.
The AESA radar since you are so keen on, on the F-16 is state of the art. I was amazed when I saw a demonstration of it. And I still am. It is a fine piece of work. The J-10 AESA I have not seen and hence I have no real reason to praise it.
Well mate, just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, judging from the specs and overviews i've given of what we do know, you must admit that it seems formidable!
The F-16s in my base were up against other F-16s of a ''friendly'' neighbour 8 times a day.. in heavy dogfighting.. once your beloved J-10 proves it can do that .. then we'll talk.
China's yet to use them that way.... but please do ask some of the Chinese members here the history of the J-10A in the PLAAF, it's performances in PLAAF exercises against Chinese Migs, Russian and Chinese Flankers.
By this measure you would also doubt the F-35, the F-15 Silent Eagle?
if they are the same in terms of cost, then there is no comparison, the F-16 wins every time.
Disagree.... matching J-10A to Block 40, they are quite similar and have equal capabilities.
IMHO the J-10B will probably be superior to the F-16 Block 60.
Track record, reliability, support, avionics, weapons, CFTs, AESA, IRST, JHMS, and more than 4000+ planes around the world to make a comprehensive manual of experience of what to do and what not to do in every possible scenario.
Well with AESA (with LPI), IRST, HMDS, low RCS (composites,RAM,DSI), an excellent ECM/EW suite, an avionics suite to be installed on the J-20, an excellent airframe and powerplant and good weaponry how can you come to such a conclusion?
you want to go to war in a J-10? you obviously have no understanding of what i just typed.... be my quest
Instead of telling me that you are capable of proving me wrong, why don't you just prove me wrong?