It Is The WMD Moment Once Again For The USA:---

[MastanKhan]

Sir. My point is, why play the cat and mouse game if we know how its gonna end.

If anything, making the US land in Afghanistan and entrapping them there for 20 years until the ceded victory was the best decision that Pakistani establishment could have made at that time. There was no "correct" decision. Bloodshed was eminent, there was no alternative where we could have come out scratch-less.



Ameen.



Thanks and Ameen. May we be raised with shining bodies and bring smile to the Holy Prophet SAW's face.

Hi,

The victory Lap of pakistanis is a despicable comment---made over the dead bodies of 2 1/2 million dead afghans and 4 million +++ homeless afghans---totally shameless---.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Hi,

Thae victory Lap of pakistanis is a despicable comment---made over the dead bodies of 2 1/2 million dead afghans and 4 million +++ homeless afghans---totally shameless---.

I really think our nation has suffered because the last 40 years we interfered in Afghan affairs but sadly both countries are just pawns in the minds of the superpowers all we can hope is from now on things get stable once Yankee packs its bags but I remain skeptical.

 

[MastanKhan]

Taliban wanted an international televised trial for him held in Pakistan, a neutral country who they both trusted. According to Pukhtoonwali, they could not hand over any guest in their home, unless absolute proof of wrongdoing was given. Furthermore, Loya Jirga was to be convened to judge that evidence and chart a course of action, in light of American demands.

US rejected that proposal, as they stated the evidence consisted of sensitive national security information which could not be shown. So the US answer came in missile attacks on Taliban targets in Afghanistan.

That was the beginning of the war.

Hi,

Taliban had no right to allow a christian army to invade a muslim nation---.

" Pashtun Wali " acts on a prior crime committed before seeking refuge---. The crime must be told beforehand---.

This crime committed did not fall under Pashtun Wali---because it was committed after seeking refuge---.

But what you pakistanis are nit talking or you do not have the ability to think and talk about is---How despicable a character was Osama Bin Laden---that he got refuge from these innocent people and then he brought on death and destruction on these people---.

If Osama Bin Laden had an aota of Islam in him he would have sacrificed his life and told the afghans " given my dead body to the americans "--- " I cannot allow my guest to suffer anymore because of me "---.

But NO---this despicable character Osama Bin Laden let the afghans suffer the destruction---and he hid in Abbotabad humping his 14 years old young bride whilce innocent afghan children women boys and men got obliterated by the american bombs---.

The so called muslim warrior Osama Bin Laden did not chose Shahadat over life and chose to run out of afghanistan---and ended up being murdered at the hands of the enemy while laying with his women rather than going down fighting---.

And you kids are shamelessly arguing on his behalf---.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Hi,

Taliban had no right to allow a christian army to invade a muslim nation---.

" Pashtun Wali " acts on a prior crime committed before seeking refuge---. The crime must be told beforehand---.

This crime committed did not fall under Pashtun Wali---because it was committed after seeking refuge---.

But what you pakistanis are nit talking or you do not have the ability to think and talk about is---How despicable a character was Osama Bin Laden---that he got refuge from these innocent people and then he brought on death and destruction on these people---.

If Osama Bin Laden had an aota of Islam in him he would have sacrificed his life and told the afghans " given my dead body to the americans "--- " I cannot allow my guest to suffer anymore because of me "---.

But NO---this despicable character Osama Bin Laden let the afghans suffer the destruction---and he hid in Abbotabad humping his 14 years old young bride whilce innocent afghan children women boys and men got obliterated by the american bombs---.

The so called muslim warrior Osama Bin Laden did not chose Shahadat over life and chose to run out of afghanistan---and ended up being murdered at the hands of the enemy while laying with his women rather than going down fighting---.

And you kids are shamelessly arguing on his behalf---.

OBL was their scum but I remember in the mid 2000s many Pakistanis thought this scum agent as a hero

 

[Armchair]

This will not be a hot war. Its a New Cold War, or Cold War II.

Or frozen chicken karhai, microwave heated from last night.

 

[monitor]

Hi,

It is about time for another blame game---. Last time the world saw middle east decimated by that little vial of a glass tube that Gen Collin Powell waved in the UN assembly forum---.

This time it would be Pres. Trump waving a tube that is supposedly of COVID 19 made in Wuhan China---.

The stage is being prepped and setup for the disclosure and the proof is being gathered by any mean possible---.

The US has fixated its sights on china---. Virus has created devastation in the USA as it has in many other nations---.

The world is being readied for another conflict---. Supposed proof is being gathered and will be put together in way that all fingers would be pointing towards Wuhan---.

Terrible times ahead for the world---.

Who is actually responsible for this Covid-19 not yet proved strongly. So you cannot get everyone behind you .
China is not Iraq or Afghanistan that US will give blame and start military action . what US at best can do is send strong message by circling its aircraft carrier around Chinese backyard and threatening to attack but at the end back to home . so lets cheers .

 

[famoj47521]

Hi,

The victory Lap of pakistanis is a despicable comment---made over the dead bodies of 2 1/2 million dead afghans and 4 million +++ homeless afghans---totally shameless---.

Sir, we are not proud of dead afghans.

But we could not have prevented that. It simply was not an option. Americans were coming to topple the Islamic government anyway, the afghans were going to be martyred anyway.

The best we could do was fight till the end.

If Osama Bin Laden had an aota of Islam in him he would have sacrificed his life and told the afghans " given my dead body to the americans "--- " I cannot allow my guest to suffer anymore because of me "---.

But NO---this despicable character Osama Bin Laden let the afghans suffer the destruction---and he hid in Abbotabad humping his 14 years old young bride whilce innocent afghan children women boys and men got obliterated by the american bombs---.

The so called muslim warrior Osama Bin Laden did not chose Shahadat over life and chose to run out of afghanistan---and ended up being murdered at the hands of the enemy while laying with his women rather than going down fighting---.

And you kids are shamelessly arguing on his behalf---.

This is the reason I have no sympathy for him. But I would still say that Americans did NOT come after Osama.

They came after Taliban.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir, we are not proud of dead afghans.

But we could not have prevented that. It simply was not an option. Americans were coming to topple the Islamic government anyway, the afghans were going to be martyred anyway.

The best we could do was fight till the end.


This is the reason I have no sympathy for him. But I would still say that Americans did NOT come after Osama.

They came after Taliban.

Hi,

You pakistani men have learning disabilities---. You learn from your dad's and grand dads and tragically they are illiterate as well when it comes to national interests---.

As atypical pakistan what your standard answer to any condition is---" nothing would have happened---they would have done it any way "---.

How can you people call yourself MUSLIMS---followers of the teachings of Prophet Muhammad pbuh---?

Where has islam taught you not to do anything when facing a crisis---?

Give me one example from Qura'an---hadees or any made up Hadees even or Sunnat---.

State one example where Islam or Prophet Muhammad is known to have stated death is coming---don't do anything---.

It is shocking to see this sickness so prevalent amongst the pakistanis---.

When you claimed to be the Fort of Islam---how did you think you would be planning to attain that position when you simply could not prepare for a simple act of executing Osama Bin Laden---.

If you would have read---you would have known that George Bush was not ready to invade AFG till the Taliban started their drama of PASHTUN WALI and pakistan told US we cannot do anything---.

 

[famoj47521]

Hi,

You pakistani men have learning disabilities---. You learn from your dad's and grand dads and tragically they are illiterate as well when it comes to national interests---.

Sir. I learned directly from mujahideen.

As atypical pakistan what your standard answer to any condition is---" nothing would have happened---they would have done it any way "---.

I didnt say that we shouldn't do nothing, I said thats the best we could do. As the blood would have spilled anyway...

How can you people call yourself MUSLIMS---followers of the teachings of Prophet Muhammad pbuh---?

Where has islam taught you not to do anything when facing a crisis---?

Give me one example from Qura'an---hadees or any made up Hadees even or Sunnat---.

State one example where Islam or Prophet Muhammad is known to have stated death is coming---don't do anything---.

In the battle of Gazwa-e-Uhud. Prophet S.A.W did NOT want to fight the war in the outskirts of Madina, he wanted to DEFEND from INSIDE MADINA. He fought it because the new muslims and the muslims that didn't take part in Gazwa-e-Badar wanted to fight the war. Outside of Madina so that they can get martyrdom. Their are verses in Quran in Surah-Al-Imran.

It is shocking to see this sickness so prevalent amongst the pakistanis---.

When you claimed to be the Fort of Islam---how did you think you would be planning to attain that position when you simply could not prepare for a simple act of executing Osama Bin Laden---.

Sir, you are still convinced that handing over Osama Bin laden would have stopped it from happening, it wouldn't have.

If you would have read---you would have known that George Bush was not ready to invade AFG till the Taliban started their drama of PASHTUN WALI and pakistan told US we cannot do anything---.

Sir, we are well aware of american dram-e-bazi, please do not cite their media fakery as reality.

Anyways, sir that was 20 years ago, we cannot change that. We have learned a lot in past 20 years to plan for the future.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir. I learned directly from mujahideen.


I didnt say that we shouldn't do nothing, I said thats the best we could do. As the blood would have spilled anyway...



In the battle of Gazwa-e-Uhud. Prophet S.A.W did NOT want to fight the war in the outskirts of Madina, he wanted to DEFEND from INSIDE MADINA. He fought it because the new muslims and the muslims that didn't take part in Gazwa-e-Badar wanted to fight the war. Outside of Madina so that they can get martyrdom. Their are verses in Quran in Surah-Al-Imran.


Sir, you are still convinced that handing over Osama Bin laden would have stopped it from happening, it wouldn't have.



Sir, we are well aware of american dram-e-bazi, please do not cite their media fakery as reality.

Anyways, sir that was 20 years ago, we cannot change that. We have learned a lot in past 20 years to plan for the future.

Hi,

What does the red high lighted have to do with what I wrote---?

American drama bazi---it is not even close to what Pakistan does---. With the US---you already know beforehand what you are going to get---.

Watch Urtugrul---and learn strategy tactics and gamesmanship---.

 

[PakFactor]

Hi,

You pakistani men have learning disabilities---. You learn from your dad's and grand dads and tragically they are illiterate as well when it comes to national interests---.

As atypical pakistan what your standard answer to any condition is---" nothing would have happened---they would have done it any way "---.

How can you people call yourself MUSLIMS---followers of the teachings of Prophet Muhammad pbuh---?

Where has islam taught you not to do anything when facing a crisis---?

Give me one example from Qura'an---hadees or any made up Hadees even or Sunnat---.

State one example where Islam or Prophet Muhammad is known to have stated death is coming---don't do anything---.

It is shocking to see this sickness so prevalent amongst the pakistanis---.

When you claimed to be the Fort of Islam---how did you think you would be planning to attain that position when you simply could not prepare for a simple act of executing Osama Bin Laden---.

If you would have read---you would have known that George Bush was not ready to invade AFG till the Taliban started their drama of PASHTUN WALI and pakistan told US we cannot do anything---.

@famoj47521 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Today someone posted this thread on PDF (https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/excl...ejected-diplomacy-with-the-taliban-to.664866/)

This basically shows you the mindset of American's even Bush's own State Officials (besides Cheney) told him not to go to war in Afghan and try diplomacy with Taliban in their requests his response was "**** It, let's go to war". Then his mindset on Iraq was to "Spread American Values" down one's throat and he considered it his evangelical sense of righteousness.

Let's for example Pakistan or someone did kill OBL, then someone took his spot and American's come back say give us his head, and then the next, etc. you dealing with a nation who has a revolver to your head and playing Russian Roulette.

We are in a different territory when dealing with American's. You can't compare today's nation/states against those of the past who were honorable on their words.

 

[MastanKhan]

@famoj47521 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Today someone posted this thread on PDF (https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/excl...ejected-diplomacy-with-the-taliban-to.664866/)

This basically shows you the mindset of American's even Bush's own State Officials (besides Cheney) told him not to go to war in Afghan and try diplomacy with Taliban in their requests his response was "**** It, let's go to war". Then his mindset on Iraq was to "Spread American Values" down one's throat and he considered it his evangelical sense of righteousness.

Let's for example Pakistan or someone did kill OBL, then someone took his spot and American's come back say give us his head, and then the next, etc. you dealing with a nation who has a revolved to your head and playing Russian Roulette.

We are in a different territory when dealing with American's. You can't compare today's nation/states against those of the past who were honorable on their words.

Hi,

These are all excuses that pakistanis make---. They had one and only one job---Kill Osama Bin Laden---and give his body to the americans in the shortest possible time---.

Some generals wanted to make vietnam---. 2 1/2 million dead afghans later---pakistan a pariah nation later--a peace deal signed between the US and afghans---and pakistan in doldrums once again---back to its usual position---.

 

[PakFactor]

Hi,

These are all excuses that pakistanis make---. They had one and only one job---Kill Osama Bin Laden---and give his body to the americans in the shortest possible time---.

Some generals wanted to make vietnam---. 2 1/2 million dead afghans later---pakistan a pariah nation later--a peace deal signed between the US and afghans---and pakistan in doldrums once again---back to its usual position---.

These aren’t some Pakistani excuses — you are too believing in what Americans say and naive to American thought process. Don’t you think if it was this easy Pakistani Military would have already done it and avoided all this mess, even they know what Americans say is bull shit.

About Hadith, we were already told what’s coming when nations of the world will gather their forces to come at Muslims as if one is coming to the dinner table. This also shows no amount of appeasement or a$$ rimming would delay the inevitable. All we can do is prepare to the best of our abilities.

But anyways what happened has happened.

Regardless, our disagreement in this topic I still respect your position and it’s good to see alternative options you present. You know I’m in total alignment with your Feb 27th option of knocking the other IAF ACs our, we might not always agree but that’s nature.

 

[famoj47521]

Hi,

What does the red high lighted have to do with what I wrote---?

My mistake, I wasnt clear about it. It has to do with what I wrote above that part, and I wrote that part in reply to your question, regarding what was Prophet S.A.W's thought process when he saw a war coming.

So keeping that reference in mind, I am implying that Prophet S.A.W knew that there was no way to avoid the war. It also was not going to get resolved by handing over some people to the enemy (and Prophet S.A.W would obviously never do that). Prophet S.A.W knew that enemy is coming for their DEEN.

And it was true for Americans, they were not coming for OBL, they hate our DEEN. And Islamic government in Afghanistan was not something they could tolerate.

American drama bazi---it is not even close to what Pakistan does---.

If only that was true we suck at propaganda and everything else that spans drame bazi.

With the US---you already know beforehand what you are going to get---.

Yes, we knew, thats why we chose to create our own strategy.

Watch Urtugrul---and learn strategy tactics and gamesmanship---.

WOW. I didn't know you were a fan. But if even you love that show, Its a must watch. But at the moment I am watching tafseer, I might get to it after I am done with refreshing my Islamic knowledge

But sir, You expect some like Utrugul and Osman Gazi to be in the ranks of Pakistan Military. I dont think we do have people like that. If Pakistani military had, we would be getting absolute geniuses as the ruling politicians for last few decades. If you know what I mean.

@famoj47521 @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

Today someone posted this thread on PDF (https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/excl...ejected-diplomacy-with-the-taliban-to.664866/)

This basically shows you the mindset of American's even Bush's own State Officials (besides Cheney) told him not to go to war in Afghan and try diplomacy with Taliban in their requests his response was "**** It, let's go to war". Then his mindset on Iraq was to "Spread American Values" down one's throat and he considered it his evangelical sense of righteousness.

Let's for example Pakistan or someone did kill OBL, then someone took his spot and American's come back say give us his head, and then the next, etc. you dealing with a nation who has a revolver to your head and playing Russian Roulette.

We are in a different territory when dealing with American's. You can't compare today's nation/states against those of the past who were honorable on their words.

Exactly. 911 was just an excuse to wage war. They found a fall guy to attack Afghanistan. They MADE UP a monster in Iraq (WMD) to wage war in Iraq.

 

[MastanKhan]

WOW. I didn't know you were a fan. But if even you love that show, Its a must watch. But at the moment I am watching tafseer, I might get to it after I am done with refreshing my Islamic knowledge

But sir, You expect some like Utrugul and Osman Gazi to be in the ranks of Pakistan Military. I dont think we do have people like that. If Pakistani military had, we would be getting absolute geniuses as the ruling politicians for last few decades. If you know what I mean.

Hi,

Ertugrul was on Netflix years ago---like 5 years ago---.

I Why do you not have people in the ranks of military to think like that---. The Israelis have---even the Indians have people like that in their ranks---but their tragedy is that is that their lowers ranks are incompetent---.

The initial US attack should have raised RED FLAGS in the pakistani GHQ---that made it obvious that the american politicians had a different agenda---.

That is why it was very important to have captured and killed Osama Bin Laden on pakistan's side of Tora Bora---.

Till Tora Bora episode Pakistan's military had a chance---. That is when George Bush Jr blew up and finally decided an out out war on afg and then on iraq when he found out the OBL had escaped---.