It Is The WMD Moment Once Again For The USA:---

[khail007]

The usual US game, milk other nations for own sake. Once again the lies are at highs ... but unfortunately now US facing another emerging world power economically and militarily - so very remote chances of conflict; because as US is habitual on wars thru UN resolutions, this time no one will support as US abandoned other nations for her own sake. So no one else will fight for US, every nation is on survival path.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Based on your experience do you feel eventually we’ll be in a conflict in the future?

Even an economic conflict can turn into military if damage reaches a certain threshold.

US is already prepared. They made “pivot to Pacific” move years ago. US Navy is ready, capable and prepared to block Chinese SLOC. I don’t see military conflict anytime soon but we all know, things can change overnight.
That’s where CPEC and Indo/US alliances Comes in. CPEC gives China another way out (lifeline) Incase there is a complete blockade on pacific coast.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Hi,

If Pak knew OBL was sick---then there was more reason NOT to kill him sooner---and handed him over to the americans---.

I don't believe in his death---. His young teenage bride was at Abbotabad with her young kids---.

Ofcourse Allahu Alim, however this is what I gather from my own research including the fact that the videos afterwards were of another personality. US kept him alive to justify the war on Iraq and further use Afghanistan to stall and delay Pakistan's rise.

The other point is that Iran was built by the US to become a sectarian monster, within the cage built by them to promote internecine warfare among Muslims. Their biggest enemies eliminated (Afghanistan and Iraq,) Iranian bravado reached new heights until US and Russia reminded them of their place.

You sure did
I learned about them from Israr Ahmed.

May Allah have mercy upon our fierce nationalist of a scholar Dr. Israr Ahmad, who never failed to invoke the heroism of Quaid e Azam and the lessons of Allama Iqbal, Rahmat Allah alayhim.

You reminded me of my lovely teacher who I spent so much time growing up with, whom I learned so much from, who was so close to me and pivotal to my Islamic consciousness. May Allah swt bless you, brother.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

They would have found/created another OBL had the Taliban handed him over. The American imagination has no bounds in creating another boogey man.

Overall, after the Afghan - USSR War we should have gone in and some how made Afghan part of Pakistan that was Zia’s ultimate plan which collapsed after he died. We didn’t do our part in rehabilitating the country either, these refugees could have been resettle back home and acting as our ambassadors to tell future generations how we took care of them but we dropped the call all over the place.

No amount of appeasement to the US works. They do not value the same moralities which the rest of humanity does. It is all about power and control. As brother Mastan elucidated quite eloquently and you also detailed in your experiences growing up.

Americans value courage, bravado, might is right, physical beauty, the ideal human figure, and other aggressive and vain traits. They view weakness or meekness as an illness. They have no pity for the poor, downtrodden, and oppressed.

I read in Henry Kissinger's memoirs a very interesting quote, he said "We should not let any country become communist due to the irresponsibility of its people."

The American knows what is better for a people, and by extension the world, more than these people can know for themselves. Despite the slogans of freedom and democracy, neither are valued for others, and both are exemplified only in Americans and their chosen allies/puppets.

This is why no amount of appeasement will work. America will bring democracy and freedom whether you like it or not, and then after they secure their objectives and transfer of resources, they will leave.

With the Taliban, they simply ran awry of the Afghan public, it all went downhill after the MOAB fiasco, and once financial hardships hit the homeland, they could no longer continue the war of attrition.

If you read Samuel P. Huntington's book The Clash of Civilization, he clearly mentioned that after the Cold War there would be a new war based on Religious Affiliation; under this will be many sub categories to covertly support the Religious Conflict based on the need of resources Oil, Water, Raw Material, these will be used as pretext to support conflicts in the region.

- Christians+Jews (together with Hindus)
- Muslims
- Chinese (Atheist)
- Russians (Orthodox)

The Chinese will be the wild card hence economically and militarily we need to align ourselves with them. Then there is the Russian Factor, the Muslims can try to align with for military support.

Remember in the Hadith it's stated: Muslims will align with "Good Christians" for The Great Battle, we have to dig deeper and see who they are, the West with immorality, LGBT acceptance can't be deemed good Christians. The Orthodox Church shuns all that, and wants to follow a purer form of Christianity which the Russians support.

I have read it, and also read numerous supporting articles and counter articles about it in the late 90s and early 2000s.

I quite enjoy Edward Said's rebuttal to Huntington. He offers a unique perspective as an Arab Christian, who is very much obliged and indebted to Islam and is fond of Muslims in general. Read it if you have a chance.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/clash-ignorance/

Here brother you mention the Hadith about the alliance between Christians and Muslims against a common foe. It is quoted by Imran N. Hosein avidly, another personality who I know quite well personally, but whom I fear has really gone off the deep end, Islamically. He always mentions the first part of it but neglects the latter part.

After the victory, Christians will attribute success to the cross but a Muslim will tear it down saying it is due to Allah swt, after which the Christians will backstab and attack the Muslims.

We don't know the exact details, so Allahu alim about the enemy and other details.

Going back to the 'Clash of Civilizations,' it is a bogus incendiary piece, it was a set up for the war on terror i.e. death and destruction on Muslim countries, as we were viewed as the next potential rival who could challenge the West.

Times have changed now however that the Muslim world lies in ruins and the focus has turned to China.

It is a golden opportunity for us to rise up, fix our problems, unify, and fortify, while the Eye of Sauron is currently focused elsewhere. It will inevitably turn its ghastly gaze on us again.

 

[Village life]

The coming US elections , covid 19 pandemic , the fear of loosing might and emerging of counter polar are the adherent factors which may eventually lead to see us a third world war! the harshness of anti china sentiments in the domestic American politics by both ruling and opposition parties tells us that deep state is in consensus,. As history tells us wars between the giants are eminent when the biger one fears the defeat from the smaller. Uncle Sam have been working long on island containment of China in the northern China Sea , and of course China was also working to defuse this strategy of the America at their door steps. here I believe china has already made hole in US strategy let's see how ?
China's biggest adversary will be the Taiwanese behavior , if it allies with US they might see a complete and sudden occupation and merger ,
The Burma is no doubt with china so if BD in influence of India do some things fishy as it's tending by tilting towards USA and buying some weapons from us then we will see more rohingas pushed in BD and and skirmishes between them.
Sri Lanka is and has been very important in the Chinese policy they are quietly neutralizing it and have quitely succeeded in it by physically gaining control of one of its port , The Washington Post have suggested US to deploy it latest stealth frigate ship to this containment area which I believe then will result in deployment of latest x18 or x20 strategic bombras near the Japanese sea , Japan is stuck between the tusks of two giants would wish to remain neutral
Here comes the tricky part of which we should be concerned where will Pakistan stand ? largely depends which side India takes ! if it bows before USA of which there is 100 percent chance and then there are hundred percent chance of a full scale war between India and Pakistan., because in this scenario neither Russia nor china wiil wish us to avoid war perhaps it's only option for china to neutralize India but Americans will wish us to be neutral ! they will tantalize us threat us to be neutral but it's not possible they would have got this courtesy had they solved the Kashmir issue in Pakistans favour.
The North Korea is going to play a very important role we will see more border skirmishes between south and North Korea more missile testing towards Guwam after all Kim is alive and south Korea is a US allie , The Australian headache is what china needs to worry and if she jumps in that will be be the Time when Russia openly play it's role and thing will heat in North Atlantic , I wish there should be no war only way of avoiding it will be the role of Europe specially of Germany and if they decided to go with American policies then Asia will burn so will the rest of the world,

 

[PakFactor]

No amount of appeasement to the US works. They do not value the same moralities which the rest of humanity does. It is all about power and control. As brother Mastan elucidated quite eloquently and you also detailed in your experiences growing up.

Americans value courage, bravado, might is right, physical beauty, the ideal human figure, and other aggressive and vain traits. They view weakness or meekness as an illness. They have no pity for the poor, downtrodden, and oppressed.

I read in Henry Kissinger's memoirs a very interesting quote, he said "We should not let any country become communist due to the irresponsibility of its people."

The American knows what is better for a people, and by extension the world, more than these people can know for themselves. Despite the slogans of freedom and democracy, neither are valued for others, and both are exemplified only in Americans and their chosen allies/puppets.

This is why no amount of appeasement will work. America will bring democracy and freedom whether you like it or not, and then after they secure their objectives and transfer of resources, they will leave.

With the Taliban, they simply ran awry of the Afghan public, it all went downhill after the MOAB fiasco, and once financial hardships hit the homeland, they could no longer continue the war of attrition.



I have read it, and also read numerous supporting articles and counter articles about it in the late 90s and early 2000s.

I quite enjoy Edward Said's rebuttal to Huntington. He offers a unique perspective as an Arab Christian, who is very much obliged and indebted to Islam and is fond of Muslims in general. Read it if you have a chance.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/clash-ignorance/

Here brother you mention the Hadith about the alliance between Christians and Muslims against a common foe. It is quoted by Imran N. Hosein avidly, another personality who I know quite well personally, but whom I fear has really gone off the deep end, Islamically. He always mentions the first part of it but neglects the latter part.

After the victory, Christians will attribute success to the cross but a Muslim will tear it down saying it is due to Allah swt, after which the Christians will backstab and attack the Muslims.

We don't know the exact details, so Allahu alim about the enemy and other details.

Going back to the 'Clash of Civilizations,' it is a bogus incendiary piece, it was a set up for the war on terror i.e. death and destruction on Muslim countries, as we were viewed as the next potential rival who could challenge the West.

Times have changed now however that the Muslim world lies in ruins and the focus has turned to China.

It is a golden opportunity for us to rise up, fix our problems, unify, and fortify, while the Eye of Sauron is currently focused elsewhere. It will inevitably turn its ghastly gaze on us again.

Points well made, and I believe the USSR was the wall that kept the US Bravado under control, and without the counter balance it's run amok uncontrollably and needs to be put back on a leash.

Edward Said was an excellent scholar, and as you stated The Clash of Civilization was a set up to take down the Muslim World, it's just that Samuel P. Huntington, gave us a glimpse of Western forward thinking and policy making. Sadly, we've been to divided to try and even counter it; or study their designs.

Hadith: Yes, I've read the 2nd half as well, even I sometimes forget to mention it but in the end I'm sure every Muslims know we'll have to fight them, hence the omission at times.

While the US made the "Pivot to the Pacific", they've left enough fitna and assets behind that's still causing pains in the Muslim World that I'm afraid we are still to consumed by it to start rebuilding ourselves.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Points well made, and I believe the USSR was the wall that kept the US Bravado under control, and without the counter balance it's run amok uncontrollably and needs to be put back on a leash.

Edward Said was an excellent scholar, and as you stated The Clash of Civilization was a set up to take down the Muslim World, it's just that Samuel P. Huntington, gave us a glimpse of Western forward thinking and policy making. Sadly, we've been to divided to try and even counter it; or study their designs.

Hadith: Yes, I've read the 2nd half as well, even I sometimes forget to mention it but in the end I'm sure every Muslims know we'll have to fight them, hence the omission at times.

While the US made the "Pivot to the Pacific", they've left enough fitna and assets behind that's still causing pains in the Muslim World that I'm afraid we are still to consumed by it to start rebuilding ourselves.

The USSR was the perfect buffer against the US tho it was imperfect and hegemonic as well its fall was nothing but a disaster for the third world and Mid East the US was able to spread the tentacles of neo liberal capitalism and a globalised culture much more than the spread of Soviet style communism could ever do

 

[MastanKhan]

Ofcourse Allahu Alim, however this is what I gather from my own research including the fact that the videos afterwards were of another personality. US kept him alive to justify the war on Iraq and further use Afghanistan to stall and delay Pakistan's rise.

The other point is that Iran was built by the US to become a sectarian monster, within the cage built by them to promote internecine warfare among Muslims. Their biggest enemies eliminated (Afghanistan and Iraq,) Iranian bravado reached new heights until US and Russia reminded them of their place.



May Allah have mercy upon our fierce nationalist of a scholar Dr. Israr Ahmad, who never failed to invoke the heroism of Quaid e Azam and the lessons of Allama Iqbal, Rahmat Allah alayhim.

You reminded me of my lovely teacher who I spent so much time growing up with, whom I learned so much from, who was so close to me and pivotal to my Islamic consciousness. May Allah swt bless you, brother.

Hi,

One thing about the US is that they don't make you into a monster---. It is 'you' who becomes a monster per say----. The US does not build monsters---.

They give you the rope and allow you to hang yourself with it---.

The US is like no other predatory animal that has existed so far in this world---. So for generally speaking---it is next to impossible to judge them---.

You are better off not judging them at all---and take it by one step at a time---one deal at a time---and don't make " packaged decisions " with the US or against the US---.

You make it seem like handing Osama over to them would have avoided the war, it wouldn't have, they would have made up another excuse.

Hi,

At first you don't complete your homework---and then you blame the teacher for failing you---.

Off course it would have stopped the US in its tracks---. That is what they told the world---that is why they waited for a few days---.

Even Allah does not bestow his mercy upon someone just like that---.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Hi,

One thing about the US is that they don't make you into a monster---. It is 'you' who becomes a monster per say----. The US does not build monsters---.

They give you the rope and allow you to hang yourself with it---.

The US is like no other predatory animal that has existed so far in this world---. So for generally speaking---it is next to impossible to judge them---.

You are better off not judging them at all---and take it by one step at a time---one deal at a time---and don't make " packaged decisions " with the US or against the US---.

Unlike the Soviets,Nazis,Imperial Japanese, or any empire past 20th and 19th centuries the US as a Empire makes its clients feel they are civilised and part of the free world the less hedonistic you are and independence from capitalism or materialism you are part of the anti so called western line

 

[Old School]

Unlike the Soviets,Nazis,Imperial Japanese, or any past 20th and 19th centuries the US as a Empire makes its clients feel they are civilised and part of the free world the less hedonistic you are and independence from capitalism or materialism you are part of the anti so called western line

This is what Friedrich Engels coined as the 'false
consciousness' . Capitalism preaches that if you follow the path of capitalism, you too can enjoy prosperity, high growth and eventually become a slum dog millionaires. In reality, more people become poor and failed businessmen than rich and successful under capitalism.
Therefore, Capitalism was very keen to preach this false consciousness' among the proletariat class from the day one.
'

 

[PakFactor]

The USSR was the perfect buffer against the US tho it was imperfect and hegemonic as well its fall was nothing but a disaster for the third world and Mid East the US was able to spread the tentacles of neo liberal capitalism and a globalised culture much more than the spread of Soviet style communism could ever do

Exactly, while their are to many issues to list the other issue with the 3rd World is if their is a rising power they will not align with it within the region. They will go out of their way to bring someone else unknown into their house who has no cultural, religious or political identification and make them the man of the house. This mentality is what caused an unscrupulous amount of support to the U.S., within the region, and ended up engulfing everyone.

Sadly, history I guess is written to repeat mistakes over and over again, we haven't learned after WWI how the Western powers conspired behind the scenes with the Balfour Deceleration & Skyes-Picot Treaty before 1st agreeing to terms under the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence. Although the Arabs themselves were to blame as well working under the Al-Fatat organization they created and Officers ditched the Ottoman Empire and leaked Intel to the British.

Hence, why even if we killed OBL or handed him over they would have come anyways, also not to forget a little detail; the Taliban also requested for information linking OBL to 9/11 and said if you present the facts and proofs we'll hand him over, we all seem to get this fact. Overall, their not to be trusted their own history doesn't allow one to hold their words in high regards.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Points well made, and I believe the USSR was the wall that kept the US Bravado under control, and without the counter balance it's run amok uncontrollably and needs to be put back on a leash.

Edward Said was an excellent scholar, and as you stated The Clash of Civilization was a set up to take down the Muslim World, it's just that Samuel P. Huntington, gave us a glimpse of Western forward thinking and policy making. Sadly, we've been to divided to try and even counter it; or study their designs.

Hadith: Yes, I've read the 2nd half as well, even I sometimes forget to mention it but in the end I'm sure every Muslims know we'll have to fight them, hence the omission at times.

While the US made the "Pivot to the Pacific", they've left enough fitna and assets behind that's still causing pains in the Muslim World that I'm afraid we are still to consumed by it to start rebuilding ourselves.

Trust in Allah swt and take the first step. All the help of Allah swt will come to you. However we Muslims need to get out of our depression and self-pitying. If we suffer setbacks, let us take it and learn from it, then resolve ourselves to work even harder.

Allama Iqbal RA wrote volumes of shayri and debated these issues with himself, how to save the Muslim Ummah?

He came with only one answer, from where we get Iqbal's Oqaab. A believer (Mard e Mu'min, Ubermensch) looks to Heaven for support and affirmation, it does not matter what those on Earth say. The secret of success in our chest, we just have to open it and dive in completely.

I remember a saying of Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi, someone told him "My heart is too small to bear the pain of the world." He replied, "Your eyes are even smaller, yet they behold the world."

Hi,

One thing about the US is that they don't make you into a monster---. It is 'you' who becomes a monster per say----. The US does not build monsters---.

They give you the rope and allow you to hang yourself with it---.

The US is like no other predatory animal that has existed so far in this world---. So for generally speaking---it is next to impossible to judge them---.

You are better off not judging them at all---and take it by one step at a time---one deal at a time---and don't make " packaged decisions " with the US or against the US---.

The US has mastered the art of propaganda. They can turn anyone into a villain. Look what they have done to the most benevolent and kind soul, Rasullulah saws. How they have changed the meaning and teachings of islamic fiqh.

If you face the US, you have to ignore the propaganda and trudge on. This is what the Taliban did. They will bring all sorts of nations and powers in alliance against you. You have to believe strongly in your cause.

Coming to China, their propaganda is elementary and self-destructive at times. China has not mastered the art of using social media and written media to promote its international interests. Even Russia has infiltrated and found mindshare in the West and other regions. It will be a very difficult fight for China when the time comes.

 

[PakFactor]

Trust in Allah swt and take the first step. All the help of Allah swt will come to you. However we Muslims need to get out of our depression and self-pitying. If we suffer setbacks, let us take it and learn from it, then resolve ourselves to work even harder.

Allama Iqbal RA wrote volumes of shayri and debated these issues with himself, how to save the Muslim Ummah?

He came with only one answer, from where we get Iqbal's Oqaab. A believer (Mard e Mu'min, Ubermensch) looks to Heaven for support and affirmation, it does not matter what those on Earth say. The secret of success in our chest, we just have to open it and dive in completely.

I remember a saying of Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi, someone told him "My heart is too small to bear the pain of the world." He replied, "Your eyes are even smaller, yet they behold the world."



The US has mastered the art of propaganda. They can turn anyone into a villain. Look what they have done to the most benevolent and kind soul, Rasullulah saws. How they have changed the meaning and teachings of islamic fiqh.

If you face the US, you have to ignore the propaganda and trudge on. This is what the Taliban did. They will bring all sorts of nations and powers in alliance against you. You have to believe strongly in your cause.

Coming to China, their propaganda is elementary and self-destructive at times. China has not mastered the art of using social media and written media to promote its international interests. Even Russia has infiltrated and found mindshare in the West and other regions. It will be a very difficult fight for China when the time comes.

I remember a saying of Maulana Jalaluddin Rumi, someone told him "My heart is too small to bear the pain of the world." He replied, "Your eyes are even smaller, yet they behold the world."

Bro, just reading those lines sent chills to my spine what powerful words, thanks for sharing.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Hence, why even if we killed OBL or handed him over they would have come anyways, also not to forget a little detail; the Taliban also requested for information linking OBL to 9/11 and said if you present the facts and proofs we'll hand him over, we all seem to get this fact. Overall, their not to be trusted their own history doesn't allow one to hold their words in high regards.

Taliban wanted an international televised trial for him held in Pakistan, a neutral country who they both trusted. According to Pukhtoonwali, they could not hand over any guest in their home, unless absolute proof of wrongdoing was given. Furthermore, Loya Jirga was to be convened to judge that evidence and chart a course of action, in light of American demands.

US rejected that proposal, as they stated the evidence consisted of sensitive national security information which could not be shown. So the US answer came in missile attacks on Taliban targets in Afghanistan.

That was the beginning of the war.

 

[famoj47521]

Hi,

At first you don't complete your homework---and then you blame the teacher for failing you---.

Off course it would have stopped the US in its tracks---. That is what they told the world---that is why they waited for a few days---.

Even Allah does not bestow his mercy upon someone just like that---.

Sir. My point is, why play the cat and mouse game if we know how its gonna end.

If anything, making the US land in Afghanistan and entrapping them there for 20 years until the ceded victory was the best decision that Pakistani establishment could have made at that time. There was no "correct" decision. Bloodshed was eminent, there was no alternative where we could have come out scratch-less.

May Allah have mercy upon our fierce nationalist of a scholar Dr. Israr Ahmad, who never failed to invoke the heroism of Quaid e Azam and the lessons of Allama Iqbal, Rahmat Allah alayhim.

Ameen.

You reminded me of my lovely teacher who I spent so much time growing up with, whom I learned so much from, who was so close to me and pivotal to my Islamic consciousness. May Allah swt bless you, brother.

Thanks and Ameen. May we be raised with shining bodies and bring smile to the Holy Prophet SAW's face.