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Israhel blasts Iran deal as ‘one of the darkest days in history’

Iran was selling oil at 20-30% discount for circumventing sanctions.

Now price will drop as much. So the net income for Iran may not change much.

Off course iran and iraq are in different weight classes, duh!

Hence the sneaky way to get Israeli spies into Irani nuke facilities.


Israel is doing this for drama sakes.

I bet their guys will be part of the first team of "inspectors".
Very over simplified .
Because of sanction iran had to use the inconvenient ways to bypass them and many times get what it wanted at a lot higher price than it really worth .now there is not rhat problem and tou can do a lot more with a thousand dollar bill than you could do a month ago .
 
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Hahahahahahah lets take a minute & laugh

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Very over simplified .
Because of sanction iran had to use the inconvenient ways to bypass them and many times get what it wanted at a lot higher price than it really worth .now there is not rhat problem and tou can do a lot more with a thousand dollar bill than you could do a month ago .

Hope the difficulties for common Iranian have gone down the way you stated. My comments are never about man on the street, but instead my criticism / analysis is directed at regimes and policies.

So far the Iranian currency has not improved. check out the following chart. you can select, daily, weekly, monthly, and multi year charts to see the currency trends.

XE.com - IRR/USD Chart
 
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Very over simplified .
Because of sanction iran had to use the inconvenient ways to bypass them and many times get what it wanted at a lot higher price than it really worth .now there is not rhat problem and tou can do a lot more with a thousand dollar bill than you could do a month ago .

Your are absolutely correct. When I was in banking sector in India, I remember the headaches we used to get when we had to transfer funds to Iran. A lot of our clients were exporting and importing to and from Iran and due to sanctions SWIFT which is the international norm for fund transfer in b/w banks in different countries could not be used.

I won't go into details cos it would be boring but the way was quite convoluted and only 1 bank in India was authorized to handle Iranian transactions. All this added to cost of goods also and Iran had to pay as much as 20% above market price for goods

As of now India has close to 7 Billion USD of Iranian funds with it and we are just waiting for sanctions to lift so that we can send the money we owe you guys for the Oil you gave us.

Everyone used to say the Iranians are most understanding, since it was difficult to pay you back for Oil in hard cash our companies used send everything possible from Rice and Sugar to textile etc in some kind of Barter trade.

I specially understand the problems you guys had to face because of sanctions. Now that they will be lifted I expect much more trade and at competitive rates
 
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All this added to cost of goods also and Iran had to pay as much as 20% above market price for goods
Good analysis.

Actually it was a 2-way loss.

Iran was paying 20-30% extra on imports
while at the same time

it was forced to sell its oil on 20-30% discount.

I believe no nuke program is worth that kind of loss.

Because that 40-60% loss was transferred to people of Iran (and not the top honchos in the gov). They ended up paying very heavy price.

All the middle men in Dubai made gazillions of dollars in such dubious transactions.

Now that they will be lifted I expect much more trade and at competitive rates

This process of lifting sanctions will most likely be very very slow.

At every step, Iranian gov will have to prove they are following through with their promise to dismantle or at least drastically curtail the nukie program.

We in India and Pakistan got off very easy with our nukie programs due to strategic location and history.

We did not see even 1000th of the hardships suffered by Iranian people.
 
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Reaction to the Iran deal and scenes from the final negotiations
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The historic pact to limit Iran’s nuclear program will end economic sanctions in the nation.
By William Booth and Ruth Eglash July 14 at 6:49 AM
JERUSALEM -- Israeli leaders across the political spectrum condemned in stark apocalyptic language the Iranian nuclear pact announced by the United States and world powers Tuesday, calling it a historic mistake that frees Iran to sponsor global terror while assembling the information and materials to build a nuclear weapon.

“Iran is going to receive a sure path to nuclear weapons,” said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Tuesday. “Many of the restrictions that were supposed to prevent it from getting there will be lifted.”

[Landmark nuclear deal reached with Iran]

With the lifting of economic sanctions, Netanyahu warned, “Iran will get a jackpot, a cash bonanza of hundreds of billions of dollars, which will enable it to continue to pursue its aggression and terror.”

Netanyahu’s hardline coalition partner, education minister Naftali Bennett said, “Today a terrorist nuclear superpower is born, and it will go down as one of the darkest days in world history.”

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Netanyahu’s fellow Likud member, the Science Minister Danny Danon, said the Iran pact “is like providing a pyromaniac with matches.”

Many Israeli leaders view a nuclear Iran as an existential threat to their state.

Israeli social media accounts were filled with images of former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, who pushed a policy of appeasement toward Adolf Hitler and the Nazis on the eve of World War II.

Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders blasted the deal even as negotiators in Vienna were still making the announcement and providing the first details of the deal.

“Israel will defend itself,” Bennett warned, vowing that military action is still an option for the Jewish State, which feels itself in the crosshairs from a belligerent enemy, where just last week protesters in Tehran were chanting “Death to Israel!”

Three years ago, Israelis were debating at the highest levels whether it might be necessary for Israel or the United States, or both countries, to launch aerial strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities.

Even as Israel reasserts its rights to act independently and hit Iran if threatened, a unilateral Israeli strike is not more likely today, Israeli defense analysts say, because the United States is committed to making the Iran pact work and Israel is not likely to act alone.

Iran: Deal is ‘not perfect’ but ‘important’(2:01)
Iran and six major powers have reached a landmark deal to curb Tehran’s nuclear program. Iran's Foreign Secretary says it represents a new chapter of hope. (Reuters)
[How the agreement works]

“It goes without saying that an agreement prevents Israel from thinking about a military option, unlike the options that might have existed five or ten ago,” said Uzi Rabi, director of the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern and African History at Tel Aviv University.

On the eve of the signing of the accord, Netanyahu warned on his Twitter account that Iran “is more dangerous than ISIS,” the Islamic State radicals who have captured vast swathes of Syria and Iraq and “the true goal of this aggression ... is to take over the world.”

“The only thing Netanyahu has left is to continue talking,” said Yoel Guzansky, former head of the Iran desk at Israel’s National Security Council.

Israeli politicians and pro-Israel supporters in the United States will now likely press Congress to derail the deal, a difficult prospect that could eventually require trying to override a presidential veto, which would require deep Democratic support.

“The State of Israel will employ all diplomatic means to prevent confirmation of the agreement,” said Israel’s top foreign diplomat, Deputy ForeignMinister Tzipi Hotovely.

U.S. and European diplomats have said that Netanyahu has failed to accept that it is better to stall, observe and roll back Iranian nuclear capabilities than double down on economic sanctions and isolation.

Iran has repeatedly said its aims are peaceful and that developing nuclear power and medicine are its right as a sovereign nation.

Opposition leaders were united in condemning the Iran deal, but they also called its signing a major diplomatic failure for Netanyahu, who has spent his years as Israeli premier warning about the “existential threat” posed by a Islamic Republic against Israel, which itself possesses an unknown number of nuclear weapons.

Speaking Tuesday morning on Israel Radio, Efraim Halevy, former head of the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, was critical of the way Israel’s prime minister fought the deal by directly confronting Obama.

[ Full text of the Iran nuclear deal ]

Efraim said that perhaps it would have been better for Israel to apply pressure through more discreet channels and have more of a role in the deal eventually reached.

Yair Lapid, a top opposition figure and leader of an Israeli political party, said there is “no daylight” between Israelis in condemning the Iran deal. But he said Netanyahu bungled the diplomacy. He said, however, that he would be among those Israeli leaders going to Congress to try to convince Israel's friends in both parties to oppose the Iran pact. “This is not about taking sides,” Lapid said. “To speak your mind is never a bad thing.”

In an interview with Israel’s Army Radio, main opposition leaders Isaac Herzog and Tzipi Livni both criticized Netanyahu for allowing the deal to be reached.

“If you go to a deal, as bad as it may be, the way to minimize its damage is by arriving at an agreement with the US on a very significant security package,” said Herzog.

Netanyahu and his government charge that Obama especially, is naive about Iranian intentions and has placed a foolish bet on a deceptive and devious partner.

Netanyahu uses every opportunity to cut through Iranian disclaimers that their nuclear program is peaceful and designed to develop medicines and energy.

The United States is Israel’s closest and sometimes only ally in the world, supplying diplomatic cover and billions of dollars in military aid over the years, including some of the most sophisticated U.S. arms technology.

But Netanyahu took the extraordinary step of siding with Congressional Republicans and directly and publicly confronting the American president in Congress during a speech in March.

Israeli opposition leaders say that Netanyahu and his circle have helped create the worst relations between Jerusalem and Washington in years with the two leaders and their proxies openly taunting and insulting each other.

Israel blasts Iran deal as ‘one of the darkest days in history’ - The Washington Post

Israeli concerns are understand able
 
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Good analysis.

Actually it was a 2-way loss.

Iran was paying 20-30% extra on imports
while at the same time

it was forced to sell its oil on 20-30% discount.

I believe no nuke program is worth that kind of loss.

Because that 40-60% loss was transferred to people of Iran (and not the top honchos in the gov). They ended up paying very heavy price.

All the middle men in Dubai made gazillions of dollars in such dubious transactions.



This process of lifting sanctions will most likely be very very slow.

At every step, Iranian gov will have to prove they are following through with their promise to dismantle or at least drastically curtail the nukie program.

We in India and Pakistan got off very easy with our nukie programs due to strategic location and history.

We did not see even 1000th of the hardships suffered by Iranian people.
'WE' got off easy because the West or really anyone else didn't get a sniff as to what was brewing under the bonnet. YOU simply went to the market and got Chinese nukes; so by the time the West knew about our nukes, all they could do is place sanctions, which is what they did to Iran too, except they did it before Iran weaponized and because Iran is so heavily dependent on oil export, it was bound to hurt.
 
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We in India and Pakistan got off very easy with our nukie programs due to strategic location and history.

We did not see even 1000th of the hardships suffered by Iranian people.
pre 9/11 was a different world sir, the 'clash of cultures' since has greatly added to Iran's misery too (public perception in the west is very skewed)

also, there's only so much they could do once we tested the weapons and had it in our hand :enjoy:
 
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'WE' got off easy because the West or really anyone else didn't get a sniff as to what was brewing under the bonnet. YOU were simply went to the market and got Chinese nukes; so by the time the West knew about our nukes, all they could do is place sanctions, which is what they did to Iran too, except they did it before Iran weaponized and because Iran is so heavily dependent on oil export, it was bound to hurt.

Let's not start Pak-Ind $hit shoveling yet again. Unless off course it is your family business.

Bhai Jaan

West knew about weapons programs BOTH in India and Pakistan. They just looked the other way because they viewed this as a local / regional issue and not a threat to the Western interests.
 
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Good analysis.

Actually it was a 2-way loss.

Iran was paying 20-30% extra on imports
while at the same time

it was forced to sell its oil on 20-30% discount.

I believe no nuke program is worth that kind of loss.

Because that 40-60% loss was transferred to people of Iran (and not the top honchos in the gov). They ended up paying very heavy price.

All the middle men in Dubai made gazillions of dollars in such dubious transactions.



This process of lifting sanctions will most likely be very very slow.

At every step, Iranian gov will have to prove they are following through with their promise to dismantle or at least drastically curtail the nukie program.

We in India and Pakistan got off very easy with our nukie programs due to strategic location and history.

We did not see even 1000th of the hardships suffered by Iranian people.

Very well said, regarding India-Pakistan we also got lucky and ended up at the same side of Americans during WoT due to as you said strategic location and history. Otherwise pain of sanctions would have absolutely destroyed our economies.

And we are not in ME, thank heavens for that. Pakistan still had to face Afganishtan but India got off pretty lightly. In fact most Indians don't appreciate this fact. Pakistan acted like a buffer b/w India and Afganishtan and insulated us from the worst of terrorism
 
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huh ?

who should be concerned ? Iran ? or Israel ?

Israel threatens to attack Iran on a daily basis and they have 600 nuke warheads . Iran has Zero .

no , Israel can go F themselves

Its not the nukes that the Israelis are worried about becuz Iran knows that unless Iran wants to commit national suicide it will not try to nuke Israel.tgier real worry is that a much more richer & powerful Iran will outfund them in many proxy wars on its borders
Let's face it Iran is the only power in middle east to take Israel head on specially when the most powerful bloc in the Muslim world (GCC) is in bed with Israelis
 
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