Israelis killed Zia

[RAPTOR]

No! It was the dreamer socialist Bhutto who wanted to unite Muslim nations. Zia was much more pragmatic than him.

Zia was replaced by rabid Islamist like Aslam Beg as COAS.

Also Zia's ISI director Akhtar Abul Rehman was replaced by another Islamist Hamid Gul.

Zia's son, and Gen Rehman's son are on the record accusing Aslam Beg for killing their fathers.

Best regards

Some say it was KGB to punnish Zia for attacking the Soviet southern underbelly through the Mujahideen. William Casey and Zia both planned it, Casey was Mysteriously killed a few months ago before Zia.

Others say it was the CIA , Zia was going to watch a demonstration of the American Abrahms Tank which Zia was going to buy from the US.That Tank would have changed the balance of Power in the subcontinent. So CIA killed ZIA and installed Benazir Bhutto in the seat of Government.

Then again some say it was MOSSAD because ZIA was close to testing a Nuclear Weapon in 1988 to ward off India which was conducting operation BrassTacks close to the Sind/Punjab border.

Some also say it was RAW.....although i find it very unlikely since RAW had neither the resources or the cranial capacity to carry out such an attack without Israeli and Russian manuals and Brainpower.

So in conclusion i think it could be one of the above.......OR an INSIDE JOB!

 

[sword9]

Is that what RAW told you?

Actually it is Pakistani media reports that suggest this. If you don't know what happened in May 1988 in Balistan and the demands for a shia state of Balawaristan/ Karakoram state, then look up some study material on the same.

 

[RAPTOR]

Actually it is Pakistani media reports that suggest this. If you don't know what happened in May 1988 in Balistan and the demands for a shia state of Balawaristan/ Karakoram state, then look up some study material on the same.

Why dont you post a link to prove it then?
Thanks.

 

[sword9]

Why dont you post a link to prove it then?
Thanks.

Certainly
Read the second last para
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-1-2005_pg3_1
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-10-2004_pg3_4
http://www.southasianmedia.net/Magazine/Journal/islamicextremism_pakistan.htm

 

[RAPTOR]

Certainly
Read the second last para
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-1-2005_pg3_1
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-10-2004_pg3_4
http://www.southasianmedia.net/Magazine/Journal/islamicextremism_pakistan.htm

Thanks for posting the links. I did read them . The Baltistan "movement" also known as the Balwaristan freedom front was created by RAW to keep an eye on the Karakorum highway and to create trouble in Pakistani Kashmir. The pattern is the same as RAW did in the creation of the BLA and the troubles in Balochistan. RAW gained momentum with the Congress govt winning the elections from the BJP and has now started intense operations to destabalize Pakistan as it did during the 80's. I will try to find links and post them on here.

 

[sword9]

Thanks for posting the links. I did read them . The Baltistan "movement" also known as the Balwaristan freedom front was created by RAW to keep an eye on the Karakorum highway and to create trouble in Pakistani Kashmir.

Do post any link on that. I don't think RAW had any contacts in 1988 in NA, I can't say the same about now.

The pattern is the same as RAW did in the creation of the BLA and the troubles in Balochistan. RAW gained momentum with the Congress govt winning the elections from the BJP and has now started intense operations to destabalize Pakistan as it did during the 80's. I will try to find links and post them on here.

Its ironical that you find the Congress more hardline than the BJP. If you want to discuss Balochistan then please do it in the thread already created. I have already posted my views there.

 

[RAPTOR]

Do post any link on that. I don't think RAW had any contacts in 1988 in NA, I can't say the same about now.

Its ironical that you find the Congress more hardline than the BJP. If you want to discuss Balochistan then please do it in the thread already created. I have already posted my views there.

I shall post on that thread in due time.

I didnt say congress is more hardline than BJP. The BJP had some pent up fustrations against Pakistan...due the the 1000 year Moslem rule on hindu Bharat..and they were still clinging on to their absurd dream of akund bharat or hindutva. Thus they hated moslems...as you can see what happened in gujrat, moombai and kashmir. Advani was screaming "teeroreezum" and yelling all kinds of absurdities about Pakistan and Moslems which were quite amusing to the rest of the world.

But in due time...your Hindu fundamentalists changed their antics and moved towards Peace with Pakistan. I guess they realized that the level of insanity and hatred found on the indian side wasnt found on the Pakistani side. Hence Vajpayee made a sincere effort to push forward peace efforts with Pakistan and i admire his far sightedness and sincererity.Now his kin regurarly visit Lahore for the occasional Party...as does the rest of the indian elite who come across the border with their local wines to mingle with the Rich and the Beautiful Pakistanis. Just take a look at some of the social pages and you'll know what i mean (im going to guess you belong to the not to privelidged class).

Now...the most racist hindu hardliner in Bharat is Advani...and even he has changed his tune more so that he paid a few visits to Pakistan where he was treated very well. On one such visit to Karachi (also his hometown) he was feted and fussed over by almost everyone. Among is many stops was his School (Saint Pauls) where he was overcome by nostagia as well the many famous landmarks of Victorian era Karachi.

So...BJP , made more of an effort for Peace with Pakistan than the Congress which seems to have given RAW an agenda to restart the soviet era operations to destabalize Pakistan. The result of which can only be the restrting of the Kashmir freedom movement and Khalistan.

 

[sword9]

I shall post on that thread in due time.

I didnt say congress is more hardline than BJP. The BJP had some pent up fustrations against Pakistan...due the the 1000 year Moslem rule on hindu Bharat..and they were still clinging on to their absurd dream of akund bharat or hindutva. Thus they hated moslems...as you can see what happened in gujrat, moombai and kashmir. Advani was screaming "teeroreezum" and yelling all kinds of absurdities about Pakistan and Moslems which were quite amusing to the rest of the world.

The BJP came to power on their rightist ideology, which was short lived. Gujarat and Bombay are cases that are resultes of the Ayodhya issue, that was monopolised by them to come to power. Once they came to power they forgot about Ayodhya. While Kashmir is not their handywork, most of the decisions there in the past 60 odd years have been that of the Congress.

But in due time...your Hindu fundamentalists changed their antics and moved towards Peace with Pakistan. I guess they realized that the level of insanity and hatred found on the indian side wasnt found on the Pakistani side. Hence Vajpayee made a sincere effort to push forward peace efforts with Pakistan and i admire his far sightedness and sincererity.

You mean inspite of Vajpayee making sincere efforts (during the Lahore Declaration), Op Badr was launched in Kargil? Then why blame Advani for screaming "teeroreezum"? Aside that all the peace talks by bothe Pakistan and India, post 2002, were at the instance of the US. Uncal Sam told both nations to be good. Its as simple as that.

Now his kin regurarly visit Lahore for the occasional Party...as does the rest of the indian elite who come across the border with their local wines to mingle with the Rich and the Beautiful Pakistanis. Just take a look at some of the social pages and you'll know what i mean...

Page 3 celebrities - they don't interest me. Bombay has enough of them to make one nauseous.

(im going to guess you belong to the not to privelidged class).

mmm....your subtle attempts at insults are quite humourous.

Now...the most racist hindu hardliner in Bharat is Advani...and even he has changed his tune more so that he paid a few visits to Pakistan where he was treated very well.

You guys are excellent hosts.

On one such visit to Karachi (also his hometown) he was feted and fussed over by almost everyone. Among is many stops was his School (Saint Pauls) where he was overcome by nostagia as well the many famous landmarks of Victorian era Karachi.

Who would'nt feel nostalgic, after vsisiting his birth place after 57 years?

So...BJP , made more of an effort for Peace with Pakistan than the Congress which seems to have given RAW an agenda to restart the soviet era operations to destabalize Pakistan. The result of which can only be the restrting of the Kashmir freedom movement and Khalistan.

Lets discuss this in the Balochistan thread.

 

[Bull]

Some say it was KGB to punnish Zia for attacking the Soviet southern underbelly through the Mujahideen. William Casey and Zia both planned it, Casey was Mysteriously killed a few months ago before Zia.

Others say it was the CIA , Zia was going to watch a demonstration of the American Abrahms Tank which Zia was going to buy from the US.That Tank would have changed the balance of Power in the subcontinent. So CIA killed ZIA and installed Benazir Bhutto in the seat of Government.

Then again some say it was MOSSAD because ZIA was close to testing a Nuclear Weapon in 1988 to ward off India which was conducting operation BrassTacks close to the Sind/Punjab border.

Some also say it was RAW.....although i find it very unlikely since RAW had neither the resources or the cranial capacity to carry out such an attack without Israeli and Russian manuals and Brainpower.

So in conclusion i think it could be one of the above.......OR an INSIDE JOB!

LOL thats not a conclusion but a statement of all possibilities.

 

[RAPTOR]

The BJP came to power on their rightist ideology, which was short lived. Gujarat and Bombay are cases that are resultes of the Ayodhya issue, that was monopolised by them to come to power. Once they came to power they forgot about Ayodhya. While Kashmir is not their handywork, most of the decisions there in the past 60 odd years have been that of the Congress.

So the level of insanity and hatred was kept alive all these years.Its quite amusing that for a party to be successful in Bharat, one has to play the Hate card.This is the only place in the world that cherishes violence and harted so much.

You mean inspite of Vajpayee making sincere efforts (during the Lahore Declaration), Op Badr was launched in Kargil? Then why blame Advani for screaming "teeroreezum"? Aside that all the peace talks by bothe Pakistan and India, post 2002, were at the instance of the US. Uncal Sam told both nations to be good. Its as simple as that.

I thought india was immune to foreign pressure? and to think that the BJP and the hindu fundamentalists had finally come to their senses and made a sincere effort for Peace with Pakistan after it exploded 6 Nuclear bombs. Where is Kargil? what does it have to do with the peace process?

page 3 celebrities - they don't interest me. Bombay has enough of them to make one nauseous.

Read what i said. Elites, not your gaudy jumping and dancing clowns one calls "celebrities" in your country.

mmm....your subtle attempts at insults are quite humourous.

im sorry, i was just trying to make you feel comfortable in your own skin.

You guys are excellent hosts.

The Pakistanis are a civilized people, there is no question why they wouldnt treat him with respect and warmth since he admited he was wrong to spew so much venom all these years and Pakistanis dont hate india . To most of them , it is a far off land with "interesting" creatures and customs. I have a feeling indians have been fed a lot of false propaganda to give them something to go on for living in such a poor state.

Who would'nt feel nostalgic, after vsisiting his birth place after 57 years?

I think he was also surprised to find Karachi quite a modern, clean, civilized lively Megapolis as compared to moombai or bombay.

Lets discuss this in the Balochistan thread.

Indeed.

 

[RAPTOR]

LOL thats not a conclusion but a statement of all possibilities.

Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

 

[RAPTOR]

i heard all these stories and know only one thing that C130 was killed with a SAM. villagers were saying that the plane first went up, then down, then up and then gounded.
Yea he was a brave man. took on the world super power in an overt manner. Enemy is within.

Whatever happened , we all know it was an act of sabotage. Question is....who did it?. Inside Job or CIA?

 

[Bull]

How many of you will call the guy who killed Zia an enemy of pakistan?

If it was done by insiders bcoz they thought he wasnt doing the right thing fo the country by dilly dallying with the US.

 

[sword9]

So the level of insanity and hatred was kept alive all these years.Its quite amusing that for a party to be successful in Bharat, one has to play the Hate card.This is the only place in the world that cherishes violence and harted so much.

We kicked the BJP out of power in the last elections, if you remember clearly.

I thought india was immune to foreign pressure? and to think that the BJP and the hindu fundamentalists had finally come to their senses and made a sincere effort for Peace with Pakistan after it exploded 6 Nuclear bombs.

No one is immune to uncle Sam. You would know better that anyone.

Where is Kargil? what does it have to do with the peace process?

If you cannot correlate issues then don't discuss Indo-Pak relations.

Read what i said. Elites, not your gaudy jumping and dancing clowns one calls "celebrities" in your country.

I am curious. Please give some example of your 'elite" crowd? Since you are so confident.

im sorry, i was just trying to make you feel comfortable in your own skin.

So how elite are you?

 

[RAPTOR]

I am curious. Please give some example of your 'elite" crowd? Since you are so confident.

So how elite are you?

Sure, the birlas, the tatas, the occasional royalty from jaipur, Bubbles is it? and the Polo Crowd...as well the noveau riche in indian punjab and their farm house parties counterparts in Lahore and delhi .....i dont expect you to know any of these folks though..