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[Abu Zolfiqar]

are you for or against the prisoner swap?

dont you see it as a positive outcome?

 

[Solomon2]

are you for or against the prisoner swap?
dont you see it as a positive outcome?

A deal praised by both parties sounds like a good deal. Yet I wonder what lessons the Arabs have drawn from this event. One can't go by their words alone because, living under totalitarian rulers, a gap is created between what people say in public and what they actually desire and do.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

oh come onnnnnn, Solomon!!

you and I both know that those totalitarian dictators served your purposes and their very presence provided israel with a sense of "solace"

 

[agentny17]

If someone occupied Cairo or Alexandria with their family, and kick me out of it, and refused to leave when i ask him to, i got no issues killing him and his family, now add to that that he occupied a place that i don't just live in, but i also consider holy in my religion. Those people who are in jail, are less of a terrorist than all the Israelis, regardless how horrific the crimes they committed.

 

[Solomon2]

If someone occupied Cairo or Alexandria with their family, and kick me out of it, and refused to leave when i ask him to, i got no issues killing him and his family -

That's not what really happened between the Arabs who left Israel and the Jews. But this fake analogy gets told because the truth is too difficult for many Westerners to accept - and too convenient to Arabs who see it is useful to conceal their purposes, even with a little fig leaf. But one can perceive that truth even now: Israel's Jews gushing for joy that their boy got home as a step towards peace, the Arabs of Gaza and the West Bank vowing that the return of their 1,000 prisoners is another step towards destroying the Jews.

 

[500]

who is exterminating who?

This map is false, nothing to do with the reality. Here is true one:

Palestinian loss of land:

83% of the world isn't Muslim; Palestine nation has no oil.

I said Arab oil, not Palestinian and did not say 83% of world is Muslim. All Muslim countries vote for palestine just because of religious solidaruty. Non Muslim countries vote because of Arab oil.

PA and Hamas seem to be more willing to unite and cooperate together (thank God). It seems that Hamas is also ready to accept israel's reality as well.

I dont know what they are willing, but so far Palestinian president Abbas cant even travel to Gaza, and Hamas opposes his UN bid. So I dont understand how can someone vote foor country which can't agree with majority of own people.

so i fail to see what the issue is

The issue is that Palestinians should first produce one authority and then go to UN.

 

[Solomon2]

Another perspective. (More pics by following the link.)

Freedom for Palestinians: 1027 to 1
October 19, 2011 at 3:14 pm · Filed under Arabisms, Seriously

Like most Palestinians, I know what it’s like to have a family member in an Israeli jail. Often the reasons Palestinians get tossed into jail in the first place have more to do with lack of justice; name mix-ups, random bad luck, minor rebellion, perhaps. Often, they are held without charges, and tried without the right of defense.

Freedom came to 1,027 Palestinians yesterday. In exchange for one.

Of course, the higher the ratio, the better for us. But it still shocks you. The value of one human life, versus 1,027. It makes you rethink your entire moral framework, it makes you wonder about your life’s stance on nonviolence, on peace, on discussions.

In exchange for one Israeli soldier:

96 Palestinians prisoners were freed to the West Bank.

334 Palestinian prisoners were freed to Gaza.

50 Palestinians were freed into Jerusalem, the Golan heights, and other Israel-occupied territories.

Of the 477 prisoners released yesterday, 247 of them will be returning to their homes.

203 will not be allowed back to their homes in the West Bank, but will have to remain in Gaza.

40 will not be allowed to stay in Palestine at all, but will have to live in exile in Turkey, Qatar, and Jordan.

I found these stories on a Facebook group. It is worth translating the
stories of some of these 1,027 nameless Palestinians, exchanged for
Gilad Shalit.

This Palestinian woman has two sons and four grandchildren in Israeli jails. When she was asked, “Were any of your family members released?” She said, “No, but all Palestinians are my children”.

 

[Solomon2]

500, even those maps aren't right. The Gaza Strip and West Bank were illegally occupied by Egypt and Jordan, respectively, from 1948-1967; only the Brits and Pakistanis recognized Jordan's claim to sovereignty, while Egypt (if I recall correctly) never claimed Gaza was anything but occupied territory. These territories are legally un-administered areas of the British Mandate. That's the basis for UNRWA running the camps. And under the Mandate Jews are permitted to settle in these areas, as long as they respect the civil rights of the Arabs.

 

[silko]

solomon why you keep doing this "1 Israeli/379604327634875345038475345 Palestinian life" difference?

if someone from my family died from one of those and i watched them walk freely i would go berserk... seriously!

"respect to soldier but fvck the citizen", is that bibi's motto?

 

[Alchemy]

Why was our country leaders criticized when India did the same during Kandahar IA flight was highjacked !!!

 

[DADU]

500, even those maps aren't right. The Gaza Strip and West Bank were illegally occupied by Egypt and Jordan, respectively, from 1948-1967; only the Brits and Pakistanis recognized Jordan's claim to sovereignty, while Egypt (if I recall correctly) never claimed Gaza was anything but occupied territory. These territories are legally un-administered areas of the British Mandate. That's the basis for UNRWA running the camps. And under the Mandate Jews are permitted to settle in these areas, as long as they respect the civil rights of the Arabs.

True , when the Arab countries launched their illegal war against Israel in 1948, after their defeat instead of withdrawing to their borders of 1947, they illegally occupied the Palestinian territories.

Thus Israel was justified to attack and liberate these territories from Arab armies who were using their bases there as a cover to launch attacks on Israel .i.e. plo bases in Jordan, west bank, Egypt etc

The sad factor is that from the beginning the Palestinians sided with their so called "Arab brethren", even after Israel withdraw from west, bank and Gaza they continued to support the destruction of Israel.

Instead of genuine peace and sitting down face to face with Israelis on the table, the Palestinians have chosen wrong methods though out the conflict to further their cause.

Peace

 

[Vassnti]

are you for or against the prisoner swap?

dont you see it as a positive outcome?

Sadly no its not you reward crime you just get more of it.

IN THE Palestinian territories, Tuesday’s prisoner exchange deal is being celebrated as a glorious victory, and also an instructive one. Sources in Gaza told The First Post today that resistance factions there are calling for more kidnappings

‘Kidnapping the key’, say Palestinian fighters | News & Politics | News & Comment | The First Post

 

[Solomon2]

Sadly no its not you reward crime you just get more of it.

That is the danger, of course. However, for Jews it is considered of high importance to redeem the captive, to balance justice and mercy, and seek security. What the Arabs will really make of this trade we don't know yet. Israelis today consider it the right thing to do. Because one individual Jew is so important that the entire nation is willing to accept the risk.

[Holiday starts soon, back Sunday]

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

why dont you just say for "Israelis"

why do you say "for jews" ????

 

[LetsGetRowdy]

how many prisoners do israel have? less the 1000 they just freed- for 1 israeli soldier.. of course.