Israeli soldier freed in swap for 1,000 prisoners Read more: http://www.se

[acetophenol]

politically its a win win solution for the leaders of both sides

 

[500]

"Israelis blasted the station for putting an obviously exhausted captive into the spotlight and fishing for compliments for Egypt, while Egyptians criticized the broadcaster for focusing on the Israeli captive instead of the hundreds of Palestinians released."

Shalit Interview Sharply Criticized by Just About Everyone

I was suprised how sharply Gilad answered questions. For example the interviewer asked him if he will act for release of remainig Palestinian prisoners and Gilad answerd that he will be happy if they will be released, but if they stop attacking Israel and live in peace. Thats after more than 5 years of lone imprisonment, while masked Hamas man was stading behind him and he was still not seen any Israeli.

Compare his look with Palestinian prisoners:

Looked at it. Now look at Page 2, post # 27.

All I'm saying is, if these were serious, hardcore militants/terrorists, the exchange would have never been made.

You talk about subject that you have no clue about. Hamas sumbitted list of its 450 men it wanted to release. Israel said that it will never release 11 of them (and they were not released in the end). Out of remeaining terrorists who still posess threat will be expelled either to Gaza or abroad.

 

[Mike2011]

hats off to Israel..

 

[53fd]

You talk about subject that you have no clue about. Hamas sumbitted list of its 450 men it wanted to release. Israel said that it will never release 11 of them (and they were not released in the end). Out of remeaining terrorists who still posess threat will be expelled either to Gaza or abroad.

Watch this:

835 minors jailed for rock throwing:

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Please do not misunderstand what I am saying. I never said the people jailed/released were innocent. But I don't think they posed a really serious security threat to Israel either.

 

[monitor]

He was exhausted but seems was okay in captivity .

 

[500]

Watch this:

835 minors jailed for rock throwing:

Stone throwers get several monthes at most. So they have nothing to do with current deal. Stone throwing is not a joke BTW. Recently father with his little child were killed by stone throwers.

Please do not misunderstand what I am saying. I never said the people jailed/released were innocent. But I don't think they posed a really serious security threat to Israel either.

11 masterminds which Hamas demanded were not released.
Remaning dangerous were expelled either to Gaza or abroad.

Thats why deal took more than 5 years.

 

[Solomon2]

Looked at it. Now look at Page 2, post # 27.
All I'm saying is, if these were serious, hardcore militants/terrorists, the exchange would have never been made.

Amazing, isn't it? Bill's an educated man, yet his opinion is so important to his convictions that he cannot bring himself to face facts that may contradict them. We witness self-deception in action.

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Monday, October 17, 2011
Text of Prisoner Release Declaration

Update: 17 October 2011: Raanan Gissin told IMRA today that the
Palestinian prisoners being released today in the Shalit deal are signing
the same standard form as was signed by prisoners released in the past.

Aaron Lerner Date: 6 August 2003

The following is IMRA's translation of the Hebrew version of the declaration
signed by convicted Palestinians released today by Israel. The text was
provided to IMRA by the IDF Spokesperson's Office (the same text was signed
by those who had not been sentenced yet with minor changes)

Declaration and Commitment

I the undersigned (name) (ID)

1. It was brought to my attention that beyond requirements and as a good
will gesture by the Government of Israel, within the framework of its
relations with the Palestinian government and the renewal of the efforts for
peace, the military command decide to ease my sentence, subject to my
signing this declaration and commitment.

2. I hereby declare that I oppose all terror and violent actions and I
hereby commit to desist from all actions against the security of the State
of Israel or the security of the region in general and include in this
terror or violent activities, and support or aid to it, in any way
including:

A. To desist from returning and carrying out a crime of the type of crimes
that I was convicted of as well as any other crime;
B. Not to belong to a terror organization or illegal group of any kind;
C. Not to engage in inciting activities, and included in this incitement to
carry out terror or act illegally against the peace process;
D. Not to be involved and not to support or aid terror activities against
any person and any act of violence or action that may cause the public or
any part of it damage or fear or any other damage;
E. To desist from illegally entering the area of Israel or the Israeli
communities in the areas.

3. I am aware that the remainder of the prison sentence that I was sentenced
by the court in the region is conditional, as of the day of my release, for
the course of three years, and the condition is that I will not carry out a
crime that could hurt the security of the area or the security of the State
of Israel and including that desisting from any act of terror or violence
and support or aid for such activities, in any way, as detained in Paragraph
2.

4. Likewise I am aware that if I violate a condition of the conditions of
the release the court will have the right to activate the remainder of the
sentence that was in effect prior to my release and to decide that I bear
this punishment in addition to any other punishment that is imposed on me.

5. I hereby confirm that the wording of my commitment and declaration was
explained to me in Arabic and that after its significance was made clear to
me I signed the document out of my free will.

Date Signature of the prisoner

Confirmation

I the undersigned Name Rank Personal Number Position

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Solomon, you are deceiving yourself by painting yourself as a patriotic American (your passport is American) when you put israel's interests before your own countries interest

you have nothing to do with israel or israelis! One free birthright trip don't cut it

 

[Solomon2]

Solomon, you are deceiving yourself by painting yourself as a patriotic American (your passport is American) when you put israel's interests before your own countries interest

We're OT, but I'll bite.

I squint and look carefully, but I don't see that I'm putting Israel's interests ahead of the U.S. Do you think it is in America's interest to see Israel fail and then have a middle east union of genocidal (because they will by then have killed millions of Jews) murderers who will then conceive no better course of action than to seek world conquest? I don't.

 

[Tshering22]

I am sure a lot of Israelis who had their loved ones killed at the hands of these released captives would be very upset with their government too.

How do you balance one with the other?

Is arresting these militants and locked up thinking going to bring their dead loved ones back? NO. The solution is either execute those who've been captured or at least save the life of one soldier who loyally fought for home country. Which is better option since Israel DIDN'T execute all the 1,000+ militants?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

We're OT, but I'll bite.

I squint and look carefully, but I don't see that I'm putting Israel's interests ahead of the U.S. Do you think it is in America's interest to see Israel fail and then have a middle east union of genocidal (because they will by then have killed millions of Jews) murderers who will then conceive no better course of action than to seek world conquest? I don't.

its in the U.S. interests to be in accord with the democratic ideals the fore-fathers fought so hard for.

83% of the world supports Palestine nation. Your president (the same one who yapped about helping to solve the crisis) reneges on his promise and instead bows down to israel by using the veto power.

i remember i once brought up those patriotic, God-fearing American sailors killed on the USS Liberty -- and you casually dismissed it and changed the topic.



to me, that tells me that you put israel's interest before your own countries interest. You're American, sir. Focus on your own country. It's a great country, albeit run by people with no vision at the moment (kind of like us)

the standard israeli (or in this case, pro-israeli) response is to bring up "barbaric Arabs" and how they want to "genocide" you. Don't flatter yourselves so much. Most of the killing has been 1-sided anyways; one israeli soldier gets killed and then 42 Palestinian civilians get bombed.




and don't squint. It's bad for your eyes.

 

[Solomon2]

its in the U.S. interests to be in accord with the democratic ideals the fore-fathers fought so hard for.

Those are best represented in the middle east by Israel, not states run by terrorists who compel their captive population to demand the extermination of a neighbor. There isn't any freedom of choice where the merest hint of pro-Israel sentiment validates extrajudicial execution as a "collaborator" (though now they do have some trials).

83% of the world supports Palestine nation.

That's not democracy, that's politics. Before 1970 Israel enjoyed overwhelming public support outside the Muslim world. The public face changed under the twin threats of terrorism and economic embargo - and yes, some genuine concern about the Arabs who inhabited territories Israel conquered in 1967.

i remember i once brought up those patriotic, God-fearing American sailors killed on the USS Liberty -- and you casually dismissed it and changed the topic.

You'll have to resurrect that thread again because I'm not going further OT here.

Focus on your own country. It's a great country, albeit run by people with no vision at the moment (kind of like us)

The thing is, America's high negatives in the Muslim world are intimately linked to America's close support of the Jewish State, for the reasons I've given above. So how can one defend America without also defending Israel?

and don't squint. It's bad for your eyes.

Good point.

 

[500]

83% of the world supports Palestine nation.

Condition for new nation is ability to meet the international obligations. But PA does not control half of its own people, thats undisputable fact, therefore it cant be a state.

Why 83% support nevertheless? 1) Arab oil 2) Blind Muslim solidarity.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Those are best represented in the middle east by Israel

well, one dictatorship after the other seems to be collapsing in the Arab world; what will replace them, we will have to see.

you're naiive if you think israel is as democratic as it paints itself to be. I wonder if israeli arabs living even in E. Jerusalem can vote. Hard to be eligible when their ID cards are not renewed

democratic countries dont force pregnant women going into labour to turn back from a checkpoint.....democratic countries dont massacre a village of poor people, like what happened @ Jenin camp.
and democratic countries certainly don't hold election results in contempt

not states run by terrorists who compel their captive population to demand the extermination of a neighbor.

who is exterminating who?

That's not democracy, that's politics.

nope; for the first time in history, majority of the world (even some european countries allied to israel) realize that true peace will come when the undeniable is no longer denied:

a sovereign Palestinian nation free from israeli occupation

(the occupation --the settlements-- are, incidentally, "illegal" under international law --or is that politics too?)

You'll have to resurrect that thread again because I'm not going further OT here.

no need to; since its established that an American citizen pledges loyalty to a foreign state with whom he has no blood relation

The thing is, America's high negatives in the Muslim world are intimately linked to America's close support of the Jewish State

to some degree, yes....U.S. is best served by viewing it in a non-biased and pragmatic fashion; and to end all blind support for the country (at the expense of its own citizens). Who can forget the tragic story of Rachel Corrie, the patriotic American servicemen onboard the USS Liberty, or other examples of US citizens killed by israel (a more recent example would be the American teenager killed onboard the Mavi Marmara)

So how can one defend America without also defending Israel?

very clever, and nice try....

did you watch the Republican Debate last night on CNN? Listen to what Presidential hopeful Ron Paul has to say about it.

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Condition for new nation is ability to meet the international obligations. But PA does not control half of its own people, thats undisputable fact, therefore it cant be a state.

Why 83% support nevertheless? 1) Arab oil 2) Blind Muslim solidarity.

83% of the world isn't Muslim; Palestine nation has no oil.


PA and Hamas seem to be more willing to unite and cooperate together (thank God). It seems that Hamas is also ready to accept israel's reality as well.


so i fail to see what the issue is

 

[Solomon2]

^^^^
Start another thread, AZ.