Israeli military most powerful in Middle East, says study

[Brutas]

Saw somewhere that since 48, Israel fought 17 small & full scale wars/skrimishes with her neighbors. If that is true (???), it must be an amazing achievement, keeping in mind all these were conflicts using conventional weapons. Israel's neighbors doesn't seem to have learn much from their errors and mistakes.

 

[Ceylal]

Saw somewhere that since 48, Israel fought 17 small & full scale wars/skrimishes with her neighbors. If that is true (???), it must be an amazing achievement, keeping in mind all these were conflicts using conventional weapons. Israel's neighbors doesn't seem to have learn much from their errors and mistakes.

Their neighbors lacked preparation,training and motivation. There is another point that made in those time, Israel military stronger is that she was popular army..
arab armies troops were from popular poor class and the officer from the bourgoisie. The chain of command was real poor since officers had tendency no to have any direct contact with their troops.

 

[Brutas]

Their neighbors lacked preparation,training and motivation. There is another point that made in those time, Israel military stronger is that she was popular army..
arab armies troops were from popular poor class and the officer from the bourgoisie. The chain of command was real poor since officers had tendency no to have any direct contact with their troops.

What about today. Assuming Israel doesn't use "sampson option" (nukes), can any of Israel's neighbors defeat it in a conventional war as an individual state or as a part of a broader alliance ?

 

[Falcon29]

What about today. Assuming Israel doesn't use "sampson option" (nukes), can any of Israel's neighbors defeat it in a conventional war as an individual state or as a part of a broader alliance ?

Depends what you mean by 'defeat'. There need to be objectives to an war. This allows us to evaluate successes of war from either side. Israel hasn't faced a modern military for decades. Neither have its neighboring states. At least Arab ones. However, Israel has the most developed Air Force in the region in terms of quality/quantity. I doubt any state in the region matches their flying hours. Their Air Force has massive offensive capability. Their radar technology/satellite is superior as well.

It comes down to objectives/interests of state. Nobody modern military/state force in the region with exception of Egypt and Turkey maybe anticipate war with Israel. And Egypt's doctrine has to be purely defensive if I would guess. Turkey's doctrine probably revolves around their waters/Cyprus issues. And therefore they want to maintain advantages in naval field. I don't know much about their Air Force capabilities or Intelligence. Or if their army is adept to urban warfare.

Arab states lack in the intelligence field/counter intelligence especially. If they can improve defensive/intelligence measures they could defeat Israel. And of course economic/local aspect comes into play here. On the ground, don't believe perceptions that Israeli army is superior by far. That's not true in the sense that they have better doctrine/training. Arab armies can be most effective on ground. Israeli army is superior in sense of ground communications/measures/emergency response/air support. They are organized in that sense. Arab armies rely more on manpower for some of their nations. Israeli army can't advance on ground without adopting illegal methods such as literal devastation of whole cities/districts. Their doctrine is based off defeating lightly armed men and still involves illegal warfare such as carpet bombing/massive indiscrimnate shelling. Otherwise they won't be able to advance on ground.

They will never use nuclear option as well, nuclear option is too risky for entire world and world can prevent it. US will disable their delivery means as Israel relies heavily on US for nuclear program. Nuclear option will result with them being destroyed as well. It can also be prevented with well executed ground invasion.

 

[Ceylal]

What about today. Assuming Israel doesn't use "sampson option" (nukes), can any of Israel's neighbors defeat it in a conventional war as an individual state or as a part of a broader alliance ?

Today, it depends who's the foe? I believe that Israel will have the upperhand in first week, if the hostilities go on over a month, I think Israel will have a difficult time to maintain the momentum. But since a peace treaty with Egypt is going to hold indefinitely, the threat to Israel will come from within, ie the desire to control and interfere in her neighbors affairs, which will bring movement like Hizbollah, Hamas or other similar group to militarily react. This what Israel will face in the future..
You all keep talking about the Simpson Option, Israel nuclear deterrent is not directed at his neighbors, which are not strong enough or determined enough, to threaten her existence. The nuclear option is a deterrent against the West mainly

 

[Brutas]

The nuclear option is a deterrent against the West mainly

This is the brilliance of Israel's defense doctrine. Many in Mid East thinks Isreal's nuclear deterrence is against EU (maybe NATO ???) or Russia. But majority analysts in the west and Russia knows these are Israel's last line of defense against it's foe's in Mid East not them. Each side keeps guessing. This allows Israel to utilize both sides.

Very similar to the way jews live among nations today. In Europe-US they call them selves semites (even though majority of them are europeans who converted and became jews) and in Mid East , they claim to be the biggest ally of the West (extension of the civilized world) ! This is brilliance !

 

[Falcon29]

This is the brilliance of Israel's defense doctrine. Many in Mid East thinks Isreal's nuclear deterrence is against EU (maybe NATO ???) or Russia. But majority analysts in the west and Russia knows these are Israel's last line of defense against it's foe's in Mid East not them. Each side keeps guessing. This allows Israel to utilize both sides.

Very similar to the way jews live among nations today. In Europe-US they call them selves semites (even though majority of them are europeans who converted and became jews) and in Mid East , they claim to be the biggest ally of the West (extension of the civilized world) ! This is brilliance !

Not brilliance but dirtiness, and dirtiness gets you killed around the world, ROFL.

Israel fought multiple wars on multiple fronts.

This never happened.

Arab Militaries should study previous wars with Israel with great, great detail..introspect and learn...adapt..and focus on Israel, its modern fighting strategies, its possible weaknesses, and work-out detailed plans and contingencies for any possible future war.

Seeing the state of Arab militaries---this seems impossible.

Egyptian Military is paralyzed and is more interested in running its business empire, over-turning democracy, and killing and murdering its own people than to actually get enough balls to do what a professional military would do. But then again, Egyptian military is nothing but a prostitute for United States/West.

Saudi Arabian Military has some decent weapon systems..but there are severe question-marks on Saudi Military leadership and capacity of Saudi Arabia to effectively conduct and fight a brutal, intense war against an opponent like Israel and decisively defeat it...

Biggest threat to Israel is at northern front from Hezbollah.

Although, Hezbollah can't defeat Israel, it can make things really tough for Israelis and IDF in future wars...Invading Lebanon in 1982 was piece of cake for Israel---today, it would be a hard bite to swallow--specially considering Hezbollah, and International opposition to tolerate more Israeli wars in the neighborhood.

Educated post here Mr. Erdogan!