Israeli Indian Strategic Alliance Under Threat

[gslv mk3]

Yea, lets just talk about, Israel, China and Pakistan.....since India is heading out to the Mars.

Yeah India can launch a mars probe , a moon probe(and discover water there) ,and build and launch satellites as advanced as EU while Pakistan cannot even send a nanosatellite to space

 

[FaujHistorian]

It will take time my friend just look at European history where England and France had a 100 year war ....

I am not sure 100 years can be counted exactly, but I understand that you want to say "it takes time".

one of the biggest driver for closeness between England and France was the common threat from other countries.

I don't see India and Pakistan looking at external threats as "common".

Instead we are like monkey rajas, who want to exploit the external threats against the other raja.

We instead go sit in the lap of external forces, which England and France have not done in the last 100 or even more years (correct me if I am wrong).

And India being 7 times bigger in numbers, and 16 times bigger in defense budget, is indeed a worst offender in this case.

I.......
Partition is still a sore subject for our people because so many died but time does heal and we have no other option but to get closer, everyone knows it but still some pockets try to prevent us from doing it.

Agreed.


Many Indians do not realize the following facts about partition deaths.



The holocaust of Punjab that followed August 1947 was unmatchable by any other part of India.


Partition impacted mostly one state in the whole of British India. And that state was Punjab.

Before partition
-- East Punjab (Indian side) had 55-65% Muslim Punjabis. (depending on city/village)
-- West Punjab (Pak side) had 35-45% non-Muslim Punjabis (depending on city/village)

After partition
--- Indian Punjab had 0% Muslim punjabis (totally annihilated by Indian mobs)
-- Pak Punjab had 0% non-Muslim punjabis (totally annihilated by Pak mobs)
--- few exceptions were tiny Muslim population in Malir kotla, and tiny sikh population around holy shrines such as: Nankana sahib and Punja sahib


nowhere else in India or Pak, the ethnic cleansing was so absolute so comprehensive.

Around 1947 there were few riots and some uprooting around Delhi area and tiny bit in Kolkatta etc.


So partition should be blamed for the killings and rapes and ethnic cleansing in Punjab only.

 

[MilSpec]

Shouldn't pakistanis be worried about at sticking israeli parts in their f16, do you need additional bugs in your premier system?

 

[Windjammer]

Yeah India can launch a mars probe , a moon probe(and discover water there) ,and build and launch satellites as advanced as EU while Pakistan cannot even send a nanosatellite to space

So from talking about Radars, trainers and fighter jets you have found another escape route.....how very typical.

What nothing to boast about, Sitara, Tejas, Arjun ....etc. etc. !!

 

[Ayush]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... Wake me up when Israel sells AESA radars, worlds most advanced AWACS system, LR-SAM etc etc to Pakistan.

Keep sleeping.

 

[gslv mk3]

So from talking about Radars, trainers and fighter jets you have found another escape route.....how very typical.

What nothing to boast about, Sitara, Tejas, Arjun ....etc. etc. !!

You started dragging this discussion to outer space..to mars

yes Tejas,Arjun and Sitara are good projects,but India could have acheived more

 

[Parul]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... Wake me up when Israel sells AESA radars, worlds most advanced AWACS system, LR-SAM etc etc to Pakistan.

 

[Windjammer]

You started dragging this discussion to outer space..to mars

yes Tejas,Arjun and Sitara are good projects,but India could have acheived more

And when you start talking about China and Pakistan along with Israel and India, even if it's hard to digest...keep in mind such projects as, Super Mashaq, K-8, jf-17, Al-Khalid just to name a few. !!

 

[gslv mk3]

And when you start talking about China and Pakistan along with Israel and India, even if it's hard to digest...keep in mind such projects as, Super Mashaq, K-8, jf-17, Al-Khalid just to name a few. !!

Super Mushak?SAAB safari licensed produced in Pakistan albeit a few modifications??Check when we first developed a trainer aircraft..

K 8,JF 17...Now what is pakistani contribution except for some software work?If you want to compare joint projects,compare with Su-30 MKI..

 

[FaujHistorian]

Shouldn't pakistanis be worried about at sticking israeli parts in their f16, do you need additional bugs in your premier system?

That's a $tupid comment.

If that's your main worry, then every system India or Pakistan buys from EU, USA, Russia has a potential of being bugged.

Please do not spread Islamist $hit conspiracies.

Thank you

 

[INDIC]

Before partition
-- East Punjab (Indian side) had 55-65% Muslim Punjabis. (depending on city/village)
-- West Punjab (Pak side) had 35-45% non-Muslim Punjabis (depending on city/village)
.

Here comes height of your fake claim, Who told East Punjab had Muslim majority. Didn't someone tell you that only two districts of East Punjab-Gurdaspur and Firozpur were Muslim majority (counting Ahmedis as Muslims).

 

[Abingdonboy]

It will take time my friend just look at European history where England and France had a 100 year war with each other and now look at the current situation with the EU they are close economic and even defence partners.

Partition is still a sore subject for our people because so many died but time does heal and we have no other option but to get closer, everyone knows it but still some pockets try to prevent us from doing it.

It's not Partition that casts the biggest shadow over Indo-Pak ties today but the wars of '71, '99 and the ongoing proxy war Pakistan has been waging against India for more than two decades now that has not discriminated between innocent civilian or soldier.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Fact : Its Just a matter of Vote Bank Policy and Oil Interests .. but India has no Interest in Palestine.....

After all, what can Pakistan do for Muslims in Russia or China who face crisis ? Nothing.

Isreal Understand This Position of India.

Second Fact : India has BEST of the BEST of the BEST and DEEPEST Hrd core Fans in Israel and Viceversa.

India simple has such a Natural Ally in true sense that even Russia is no close, despit of the volume of trade it enjoys.

And trust me, Isreal is SMALL INDIA, and we both know it.

Its far deeper that sino pakistan and indo russia relation and second ONLY to US-Israel Relations.

 

[Yeti]

It's not Partition that casts the biggest shadow over Indo-Pak ties today but the wars of '71, '99 and the ongoing proxy war Pakistan has been waging against India for more than two decades now that has not discriminated between innocent civilian or soldier.

It seems every time we try and get closer we get a Kargil or a 26/11 and we are back to square 1 but perhaps things may change now. There was some talk in the Pakistani press about finally granting India MFN status that could be a start to improve economic relations between us.

 

[Abingdonboy]

That's a $tupid comment.

If that's your main worry, then every system India or Pakistan buys from EU, USA, Russia has a potential of being bugged.

Please do not spread Islamist $hit conspiracies.

Thank you

I think he was referring to:

Even though Turkey produces the F-16, there are some components that are manufactured in the US and only come to Turkey for the final assembly. In one incident, a Turkish Block 50 crashed and the pilot was killed. They salvaged the wreckage and laid it out in hanger and started putting together the pieces to find out the cause. They found a piece of sealed equipment which had cracked open and inside they found some device that looked like a bug. Upon inquiry, it turned out to be a tracking device.

MUST READ: Tell-all interview with Pakistan Viper pilot - The DEW Line


Let's be honest- Israel and Pakistan aren't exactly freinds or even friendly towards one another so the chances of such anomalies being present in any Israeli-sourced equipment sold to Pakistan cannot be counted out.

It seems every time we try and get closer we get a Kargil or a 26/11 and we are back to square 1 but perhaps things may change now. There was some talk in the Pakistani press about finally granting India MFN status that could be a start to improve economic relations between us.

Maybe, just maybe. Maybe Nawaz is the right guy, maybe he is not- Kargil, after all, happened right under his nose. Let's wait and see- actions speak louder than words.



Wrt MFN, this has been "under discussion" for how many years now??