Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Ron Dermer - Pakistan and Israel Relation - Full Interview

[Vortex]

toward recognization on their (arab countries) terms, not yours

Recognising what ?

 

[DavidSling]

Recognising what ?

Israel.
In my opinion it will happen eventually, and by the look of things, not very far from it

 

[Vortex]

Israel.
In my opinion it will happen eventually, and by the look of things, not very far from it

Maybe, nobody can predict the future.
Maybe human will cease to exist before.

 

[hassamun]

After reading all the posts the following must be said:-

1. Mossad and ISI have worked together secretly in the past and still do have some hidden channels even today as per Wiki Leaks.

2. We obviously want the rights of the Palestinian people including independence however, without recognition of Israel that would be impossible. You cant negotiate with someone who you think doesn't exist.

3. If we recognise them we can infiltrate them easily as can they. They already can as a Mossad US national can easily visit Pakistan.

4. Regarding the Holy Quran some religious scholars have mentioned that the Jews mentioned were those who were plotting against Muslims and sided with the Quraish. Not till the end of time. Do bear in mind that Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity. We have Salam and they have Shalom. We both sacrifice animals in Allah's name and that is why Muslims are permitted to eat Kosher food.

5. Many Middle East countries are secretly dealing with Israel. Last year Saudi Arabia even allowed an Air India flight to overfly its airspace to land in Tel Aviv. This was never heard of before.

6. The biggest threat to Pakistan is not India or Israel...its some hardliners who claim to be Muslims but stop any progress in Pakistan. Internal problems are more dangerous than external problems.

 

[khanz]

Turkey DOES get a lot from the Zionists due to it's relationship with Israel. It is a member of NATO. Has an endless supply of F-16s, is in the process of possibly getting F-35s. What more could you want? If Pakistan had those privileges, we would be 2nd ONLY to China in terms of military prowess in Asia.

It would really be a fantastic geopolitcal move and also in terms of PR . Imagine how it would shock have the Indians and have scrambling and throw a spanner into the Israeli-Indian relationship -The israelis would might be less likely to support aggresion against pakistan if they no longer saw it as a threat.The Iranians would also be checked a little and the anti-Pakistan narrative of it being an anti-semetic, terror state esp in the U.S would also be dealt a massive blow.

 

[khansaheeb]

He is very well spoken and lie or no lie, I think Pakistan and Israel need to have relations nothing wrong in it only gain.

If you want relationship with Israel then you want relationship with:-

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

If you want relationship with Israel then you want relationship with:-

Are you one of those kids who never read about 1971?

 

[Vortex]

If you want relationship with Israel then you want relationship with:-

Man do you want those atrocities continue or stop ?

 

[khanz]

If you want relationship with Israel then you want relationship with:-

I don't support what they do to the palestinians but stop trying to play on emotions and use common sense. Not having a relationship just means we can't do jack to help the palestinians since we have no access to them and no relations with the occupying power - Israel controls everything when it comes to the palis whether we like it or not you have to go through them. Look at Turkey and Jordan who both aid the palestinians and can do this because they BOTH RECOGNIZE ISRAEL - Pakistanis would also be able to visit Al-Aqsa which they are also denying themselves.
Do you have a problem with relations with India or what about the U.S which has killed far more people and actually bombed and killed Pakistani soldiers and sanctioned us ? Pakistan recognises India but does not support their actions in Kashmir.
You don't need to be close allies and you can still support palestine but just recognising their right to exist is not really the worst thing . The world is changing and we must move along with it. Israel is not going anywhere regardless of how much we ignore them and for 70 years we refused to have relations and it's absolutely done nothing positive for either us nor palestinians so why not make a change.

 

[Khan Kore]

I am glad you are saying this, that you mean no harm to muslims. But the action shows the other way around." Action speaks louder than words". Today the muslims are treated as third class citizen in Israel. As if they are living in a concentration camps. When ever Israel pleases inflect a collective punishment on the entire population of Palestine. If they protest against the force expulsion of the palestinian from their homes to be occupied by the Jews, they are treated harshly with a disproportionate force by killing and maiming and now Israel is training India how to curtail the Kashmiri movement of Independence by blinding the innocent protesters. The Israeli actions of human violations and illegal occupation of Palestinian land is condemn by the UN General Assembly.

I don't support what they do to the palestinians but stop trying to play on emotions and use common sense. Not having a relationship just means we can't do jack to help the palestinians since we have no access to them and no relations with the occupying power - Israel controls everything when it comes to the palis whether we like it or not you have to go throigh them. Look at Turkey and Jordan who both aid the palestinians and can do this because they BOTH RECOGNIZE ISRAEL - Pakistanis would also be able to visit Al-Aqsa which they are also denying themselves.
Do you have a problem with relations with India or what about the U.S which has killed far more people and actually bombed and killed Pakistani soldiers and sanctioned us ? Pakistan recognises India but does not support their actions in Kashmir.
You don't need to be close allies and you can still support palestine but just recognising their right to exist is not really the worst thing . The world is changing and we must move along with it. Israel is not going anywhere regardless of how much we ignore them and for 70 years we refused to have relations and it's absolutely done nothing positive for either us nor palestinians so why not make a change.

This is the least we can do to condemn Israel for what they are doing to the Muslims in that part of the world.

 

[hasnainfirst]

And you do? You went from politics to playing religion card when the argument was defeated.

Well , is there something wrong in playing the religion card ?

 

[Kakaspai]

Reality is that he is outspoken, lie or not. Pakistan's relations with Israel can be very, very good, there's such a huge potential, and it will give a lot of fruit as well when it comes to defence co-operation and civilian technology transfer.

You tell me what has Palestine given us. They supported India's entry into OIC, and they gave Modi their highest civilian award. All Hamas does is throw dysfunctional rockets into Israel, which they know will be shot down by iron dome, wasting money instead of putting anything on their own people, while Hamas leaders live luxuriously outside.

And you know where it gets better for Pakistan? Developing a really good relationship with Israel will establish a very good relationship with United States, and when you have a very good relationship with United States, consider it unconditional! You will reap a lot of benefits, not only on the defence and academic end, but also economically: USA is a huge market for Pakistan and still a major destination, while Pakistan can serve as the place for US industries to setup if they want cheap labor since US is going very tough on China. It will create a lot of jobs, and will do Pakistan a huge deal of good.

Think broad, not narrow. We sacrificed the good of Pakistan for Palestine and they bit us like a snake by embracing with open arms our only rival India.

And i remember palestine called of their envoy from Pakistan after india pushed them,and
here we equate palestine = kashmir.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

If you want relationship with Israel then you want relationship with:-

But the Palestinians and Arabs could not care less when the above happens to the Kashmiris. Yet we have to care about them............brilliant logic........

I am glad you are saying this, that you mean no harm to muslims. But the action shows the other way around." Action speaks louder than words". Today the muslims are treated as third class citizen in Israel. As if they are living in a concentration camps. When ever Israel pleases inflect a collective punishment on the entire population of Palestine. If they protest against the force expulsion of the palestinian from their homes to be occupied by the Jews, they are treated harshly with a disproportionate force by killing and maiming and now Israel is training India how to curtail the Kashmiri movement of Independence by blinding the innocent protesters. The Israeli actions of human violations and illegal occupation of Palestinian land is condemn by the UN General Assembly.


This is the least we can do to condemn Israel for what they are doing to the Muslims in that part of the world.

So when will the Palestinian/Arabs start caring about Kashmiri Muslims?

 

[Verve]

No.

Israeli presence in US Embassy is enough of a relationship.

 

[Zhukov]

Hell no , we got F16s from America and you know what the Americans do to us , they force us , threaten us to stop the supply of spare parts ... its better to stick with chinese weapons and thats what we're gonna do ...

Sir we stopped receiving F16s from USA because of your Nuclear Program. If we had complied with USA like Turkey, we would have gotten massive defense equipment on subsidized aids like Egypt does.
But whats done been done. Chinese Weapons are good but we should not completely ignore western weapons. It will be a big mistake