Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Ron Dermer - Pakistan and Israel Relation - Full Interview

[S Hussain]

I f we had the finances we could buy weaponry and technology from other sources. We don't need to give our money to the Zionists. As far as Turkey is concerned they have got nothing from their relationship with the Zionists. They are openly supporting the Kurds and the Greeks against the Turks. They are calling the Turks aggressors against the Greek Cypriots . The Quran does say the Jews and polytheists will be the most opposed to the Muslims.

 

[hasnainfirst]

I f we had the finances we could buy weaponry and technology from other sources. We don't need to give our money to the Zionists. As far as Turkey is concerned they have got nothing from their relationship with the Zionists. They are openly supporting the Kurds and the Greeks against the Turks. They are calling the Turks aggressors against the Greek Cypriots . The Quran does say the Jews and polytheists will be the most opposed to the Muslims.

Thats what i have been trying to tell these nut jobs ...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I am surprised how gullible some Pakistanis on this forum are... before saying that Pakistan and israel should have good relations ,you should know that Israel was the one who tried to sabotage our reactor and Mossad has been active along with Raw to destroy Pakistan , plz think before you say about Pakistan and israel having good relations ....

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? If they really were serious about sabotaging our nuclear program they would have got the americans to do it.

I have no problem with Pakistan establishing relationship with Israel, once Israel agrees to a two state solution.

I just wish Pakistanis saw every relationship based on national interests instead of childish rants from their favourite mullah.

Why should we care about the 2 state solution? Do the Palestinians care about Kashmir and it's future?

 

[hasnainfirst]

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? If they really were serious about sabotaging our nuclear program they would have got the americans to do it.

Haha ... well mate , u need to learn a lot , better go and read history ...

 

[Vortex]

Sir your points are partially valid however I have some differences with you.
1-The Hamas leaders are mostly living in Ghaza and face Israel atrocities just like ordinary people there. Many have shed their lives for Palestine.
2- It's the PLO people who are back stabbers of not only of their own nation but also openly opposed Pakistan especially after Bhutto's death sentence. They kept the Palestine youngsters busy in throwing stones and to get murdered in process. Meanwhile PLO leaders enjoying luxury life style both within Palestine and outside by playing role of double agents.
3-Pakistan off course is one of the most strong voice within Islamic world, we may play a positive role in ending blood shed in Palestine by building up relations with Israel by negotiations and certain relaxations for Ghaza people even may bring Iran within scenario though indirectly.
4- We cannot and should not get any Military cooperation with Israel just like Russia as both are strong allies and beneficiaries of Indian economy. Our cooperation in general fields of science and technology especially in Agriculture, should be established under close watch after some peace in Ghaza and opening of Bait Ul Muqadas for Muslims.

Our duty is more towards Holly cites rather than the people who opposed our country just like KSA, as many of their leaders in recent past have shown more tilt towards India rather than Pakistan or to Kashmir cause. The Arabs especially their leadership is dumb meanwhile Irani leadership can't come out of sectarian circle, if they support any Suni elements even then this is more or less to do with their sectarian strategy.

Palestiniens cause is lost. Military and politically.
By having relations with Israel we can at least use those relations to try to influence and work for 2 states. By not having relations with them what sort of discussion could we have with them?

Ok Palestiniens have not supported Kashmiris or Pakistan but what do you want from people who are totally disconnected from the reality of the world?

I could be wrong

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I f we had the finances we could buy weaponry and technology from other sources. We don't need to give our money to the Zionists. As far as Turkey is concerned they have got nothing from their relationship with the Zionists. They are openly supporting the Kurds and the Greeks against the Turks. They are calling the Turks aggressors against the Greek Cypriots . The Quran does say the Jews and polytheists will be the most opposed to the Muslims.

Turkey DOES get a lot from the Zionists due to it's relationship with Israel. It is a member of NATO. Has an endless supply of F-16s, is in the process of possibly getting F-35s. What more could you want? If Pakistan had those privileges, we would be 2nd ONLY to China in terms of military prowess in Asia.

 

[hasnainfirst]

Turkey DOES get a lot from the Zionists due to it's relationship with Israel. It is a member of NATO. Has an endless supply of F-16s, is in the process of possibly getting F-35s. What more could you want? If Pakistan had those privileges, we would be 2nd ONLY to China in terms of military prowess in Asia.

Hell no , we got F16s from America and you know what the Americans do to us , they force us , threaten us to stop the supply of spare parts ... its better to stick with chinese weapons and thats what we're gonna do ...

 

[Lincoln]

Sir your points are partially valid however I have some differences with you.
1-The Hamas leaders are mostly living in Ghaza and face Israel atrocities just like ordinary people there. Many have shed their lives for Palestine.
2- It's the PLO people who are back stabbers of not only of their own nation but also openly opposed Pakistan especially after Bhutto's death sentence. They kept the Palestine youngsters busy in throwing stones and to get murdered in process. Meanwhile PLO leaders enjoying luxury life style both within Palestine and outside by playing role of double agents.
3-Pakistan off course is one of the most strong voice within Islamic world, we may play a positive role in ending blood shed in Palestine by building up relations with Israel by negotiations and certain relaxations for Ghaza people even may bring Iran within scenario though indirectly.
4- We cannot and should not get any Military cooperation with Israel just like Russia as both are strong allies and beneficiaries of Indian economy. Our cooperation in general fields of science and technology especially in Agriculture, should be established under close watch after some peace in Ghaza and opening of Bait Ul Muqadas for Muslims.

Our duty is more towards Holly cites rather than the people who opposed our country just like KSA, as many of their leaders in recent past have shown more tilt towards India rather than Pakistan or to Kashmir cause. The Arabs especially their leadership is dumb meanwhile Irani leadership can't come out of sectarian circle, if they support any Suni elements even then this is more or less to do with their sectarian strategy.

Sir, the Muslim nations have been co operating with Israel for a decade using back channels. We need to stop thinking of an Islamic world, Pakistan was the first to present the idea of Islamistan but Arab nations rejected it on the pretext of Arab nationalism and seeing it as Pakistan's attempt to exert influence, so while unfortunate, it cannot be a reality right now: everyone is doing what's best for the nation, time we do too.

Secondly, I agree that Israel has good relations with India but remember that it is mutual co operation. Israel was the first to approach Pakistan to set up relations and they tried during Musharruf's era too. Both nations were born on religio-national ideologies, they associate their nation heavily with Judaism, and are people of the book, and we associate our great nation with Islam, this common ideology holds a lot of bonding potential between the two countries. Like Netanyahu said on his visit to India, Pakistan isn't Israel's enemy and neither is Israel Pakistan's enemy.

Right now a sudden shift in policy towards Israel will bring a huge change in co operation because this recognition is something Israel yearns for like a lifeline.

We should do it before the Arab nations do, they are on the brink of it in the next 30 years or so. You already saw what happened in Oman, the National Anthem of Israel was played in Abu Dhabi, and an Israeli delegation had planned to visit Bahrain. Once the Arabs do it, then what we do wont be seen as significant.

 

[CHI RULES]

Palestiniens cause is lost. Military and politically.
By having relations with Israel we can at least use those relations to try to influence and work for 2 states. By not having relations with them what sort of discussion could we have with them?

Ok Palestiniens have not supported Kashmiris or Pakistan but what do you want from people who are totally disconnected from the reality of the world?

I could be wrong

Sir totally agreed with you however Palestine cause is lost by PLO as they have become agents of foreign powers meanwhile Hamas/Islamic Jihad and minor groups totally alienated themselves from foreign stake holders. But they are quite sincere to their cause we may differ from their strategy. But in contacting Israel we should act smartly and not individually as some Muslim counties have done and got no results. Even some have become victim of their dumb policies.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Palestiniens cause is lost. Military and politically.
By having relations with Israel we can at least use those relations to try to influence and work for 2 states. By not having relations with them what sort of discussion could we have with them?

Ok Palestiniens have not supported Kashmiris or Pakistan but what do you want from people who are totally disconnected from the reality of the world?

I could be wrong

Fair point. But the Palestinians/Arabs have always been pro-indian. We know they can't physically help us but to morally support us would suffice. They couldn't even do that. Also, the Arabs are FAR MORE racist, rude and hateful of Pakistanis than Jews or Western people are. The irony is, that White people and Jews are more humane and respectful of Pakistanis than Arabs are.

 

[hasnainfirst]

This thread is getting more and more BS for me ...

 

[Lincoln]

I f we had the finances we could buy weaponry and technology from other sources. We don't need to give our money to the Zionists. As far as Turkey is concerned they have got nothing from their relationship with the Zionists. They are openly supporting the Kurds and the Greeks against the Turks. They are calling the Turks aggressors against the Greek Cypriots . The Quran does say the Jews and polytheists will be the most opposed to the Muslims.

With respect to Turkey, Turkey has trade and mutual co operation but they do not recognize Israeli occupation as Israeli territory. Turkey fully supports Palestine.

Having mutual co operation does not cause a shift in view, it is the stark change in policy as a whole which will usher a next level co operation

This thread is getting more and more BS for me ...

You tell me. What does Pakistan have against Israel apart from the Palestine issue.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Hell no , we got F16s from America and you know what the Americans do to us , they force us , threaten us to stop the supply of spare parts ... its better to stick with chinese weapons and thats what we're gonna do ...

Fair point.

 

[hasnainfirst]

You tell me. What does Pakistan have against Israel apart from the Palestine issue

Ok , tell me do you believe whats written in Holy Quran about jews or not ?

 

[CHI RULES]

Sir, the Muslim nations have been co operating with Israel for a decade using back channels. We need to stop thinking of an Islamic world, Pakistan was the first to present the idea of Islamistan but Arab nations rejected it on the pretext of Arab nationalism and seeing it as Pakistan's attempt to exert influence, so while unfortunate, it cannot be a reality right now: everyone is doing what's best for the nation, time we do too.

Secondly, I agree that Israel has good relations with India but remember that it is mutual co operation. Israel was the first to approach Pakistan to set up relations and they tried during Musharruf's era too. Both nations were born on religio-national ideologies, they associate their nation heavily with Judaism, and are people of the book, and we associate our great nation with Islam, this common ideology holds a lot of bonding potential between the two countries. Like Netanyahu said on his visit to India, Pakistan isn't Israel's enemy and neither is Israel Pakistan's enemy.

Right now a sudden shift in policy towards Israel will bring a huge change in co operation because this recognition is something Israel yearns for like a lifeline.

We should do it before the Arab nations do, they are on the brink of it in the next 30 years or so. You already saw what happened in Oman, the National Anthem of Israel was played in Abu Dhabi, and an Israeli delegation had planned to visit Bahrain.

You know better the reasons for Oman to surrender their honor and dignity to USA/Israel.b The monarchy there do not want to give away their royal status. The USA/Israel also have other motives. More or less same is case with other Arab nations as their leaders do not have roots in nation they treat their own nations like slaves as they do with foreign labor force.