Israel used F-35 in Syrian Strikes.

[BHarwana]

In the recent air strikes on Syria Israel used F-35.

It is said that Syrian Air defences fired some 100 plus surface to air missiles on the incoming air crafts trying to attack Syrian facilities. By the Syrian claim most of the missile were targeting incoming projectiles and not Air crafts but recent few attack show Syrians never knew what hit them. While giving a high credit to US 5th gen tech one must also not rule out that Israel was using stand off range missiles on Syrian targets and most of the incoming projectiles got intercepted.

An Irani electronic warfare unti was very closely studying the situation and recorded the F-35 info on attack and strategy used by F-35 these observation being made by Iran will help it under stand the real potential of threat and use effective ways to counter it. Later Israel claimed that it had taken out the Irani electronic command in Syria but the claim was wrong and the later info from the war torn country shows that Syrian air defences were able to repel the Israeli attack on Irani electronic war command.

After the events both countries showed not to further escalate the situation but in a bigger picture it is being depicted that both were able to counter each other at some point thus restraining either side from continuous aggression. In a fair assessment it could be said that Israeli F-35 were able to avoid SAM attack from ground but fell victim to Irani jamming and snooping in the electronic warfare thus reducing the F-35 capability in the area. There is much that could be learned from this short engagement for future warfare.

The info of Israel using F-35 attack was disclosed in the recent 20 nation conference held in Israel of the western war monger nations by Maj. Gen. Amikam Norkin. The out come seems to not very impressing for F-35 and the platform is not so deadly after all. One more thing to keep in mind is that there were Russian S-400 batteries present in the area but did not took part in active war. It seems that every side was trying to study the threat and make analysis of countering each other.

 

[somebozo]

Well it seems Israel is preparing for bigger attack on Iran and using F35 was just a technology test and validation plot!

 

[500]

Two most possible places of F-35 attack.

9 April 2018, Tias airbase with GBU-39 bombs:

30 April, near Neriab in Aleppo, again with GBU-39 bombs:

In both cases u had to enter Syrian airspace at high altitude in order to drop GBU-39 bombs. I don't see how its possible without stealth.

 

[BHarwana]

In both cases u had to enter Syrian airspace at high altitude in order to drop GBU-39 bombs. I don't see how its possible without stealth.

The F-35 attack happened after the main attack 2 to 3 days later and was not successful in destroying target.

Media is now showing report of Israeli claim.

Israel Says It Just Became the First Country to Fly the F-35 Into Combat

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a20872619/israel-first-f-35-combat-mission/

Soon all western media is going to publish the story but the operators don't seem happy with the jet and Lockheed and BAE are starting talks to improve the jet after Syrian attack.

Irani electronic warfare systems did some damage to F-35 to what extent is unknown but they are a bit moved

BAE Systems Receives Contract to Sustain F-35 Electronic Warfare Systems
https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...ems-Receives-Contract-Sustain-F-35-Electronic

 

[Umair Nawaz]

wasnt that hit by a ''angry bird'' even though being cleared of that by the manufacturer? And later we knew it was syrian obsolete s200 which damaged it beyond repair.

 

[DavidSling]

wasnt that hit by a ''angry bird'' even though being cleared of that by the manufacturer? And later we knew it was syrian obsolete s200 which damaged it beyond repair.

How can someone clear an airplane to a bird strike exactly?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_strike
Maybe you should share it with the rest of the world.

As for "you later knew", do you have any PROOF to your claim that it was damaged by syrian missile? as in, F-35 pictures, damaged parts or so?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

How can someone clear an airplane to a bird strike exactly?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_strike
Maybe you should share it with the rest of the world.

As for "you later knew", do you have any PROOF to your claim that it was damaged by syrian missile? as in, F-35 pictures, damaged parts or so?

and do u??
And this a/c is cleared of any bird collusion incidents. Go ask its manufacturer since nobody but IAF has only claimed this story, which does seem like a pretty immature cover up.

This stealthy fighter arnt really stealth,,, even those indian su30s were able to track j20s recently......so where does this multinational JSF would stand. There r easy ways of detecting them...and once u do detect it, its more easier to shot it down then an aircraft whose pilot himself is already cautious of radar being able to track his fighter because in ''stealth'' fighters pilots wouldnt expect it or atleast that would not be priority of the threats he expects.

 

[DavidSling]

and do u??
And this a/c is cleared of any bird collusion incidents. Go ask its manufacturer since nobody but IAF has only claimed this story, which does seem like a pretty immature cover up.

This stealthy fighter arnt really stealth,,, even those indian su30s were able to track j20s recently......so where does this multinational JSF would stand. There r easy ways of detecting them...and once u do detect it, its more easier to shot it down then an aircraft whose pilot himself is already cautious of radar being able to track his fighter because in ''stealth'' fighters pilots wouldnt expect it or atleast that is not the priority of the threats he faces in his mind.

Provide source that F-35 can't be damaged by bird strike ("Go ask any manafucturer")

 

[500]

wasnt that hit by a ''angry bird'' even though being cleared of that by the manufacturer? And later we knew it was syrian obsolete s200 which damaged it beyond repair.

Recently Russian 2 engine Su-30 was hit by a bird. Jet crashed and 2 pilots killed.

Israeli 1 engine F-35 suffered only some minor damage and was repaired long time ago.

Israel has most dense bird migration route in the world:

Thats why its quite common:

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Provide source that F-35 can't be damaged by bird strike ("Go ask any manafucturer")

Recently Russian 2 engine Su-30 was hit by a bird. Jet crashed and 2 pilots killed.

Israeli 1 engine F-35 suffered only some minor damage and was repaired long time ago.

Israel has most dense bird migration route in the world:

Thats why its quite common:

last paragraphy has a pdf file of presentation of Birdstrike Certification Tests of F-35 Canopy and Airframe Structure.

https://maps.southfront.org/israel-hiding-state-art-f-35-warplane-hit-syrian-s-200-missile-reports/
here is the bird hit report.
https://www.kan.org.il/item/?itemId=23623

 

[500]

last paragraphy has a pdf file of presentation of its Birdstrike Certification Tests of F-35 Canopy and Airframe Structure.

https://maps.southfront.org/israel-hiding-state-art-f-35-warplane-hit-syrian-s-200-missile-reports/

https://maps.southfront.org/israel-hiding-state-art-f-35-warplane-hit-syrian-s-200-missile-reports/
https://www.kan.org.il/item/?itemId=23623

Israel reported that its F-35 was hit by a bird and suffered minor damage. So Assad stupid fanboys jumped out and created silly conspiracy theory that it was hit by the S-200 over Lebanon but somehow managed to return back despite being hit by a 250 kg warhead.

Recently F-22 crashed i Alaska. Maybe it was shot down by secret S-700.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Israel reported that its F-35 was hit by a bird and suffered minor damage. So Assad stupid fanboys jumped out and created silly conspiracy theory that it was hit by the S-200 over Lebanon but somehow managed to return back despite being hit by a 250 kg warhead.

Recently F-22 crashed i Alaska. Maybe it was shot down by secret S-700.

hahaha common man i know.....i have stayed in this forum long enough to know that.......and on top of that i also know that yr a very senior n credible person of this forum who was a Think tank member too at one point...I have nothing but respect for u as a former soldier of yr country(merkava loader)
So im mature enough to or atleast analyse what could be fanboy stuff and what could hold a little substance.

Actually what happened was that On 16th oct. last year, syrians did said that they have hit israeli a/c and forced it to retreat...and same day israeli IDf twitter handler said that they have neutralized an anti-aircraft missile which was launched from Syria towards IDF aircraft during a routine flight over Lebanon. it did said No hits confirmed!
All this is in that southfront report.......And that website is Russian not really syrian, they r just their collaborators.

But on the same day that bird accident WAS REPORTED, saying that it was 2 week old accident etc etc, this is also mentioned in that report. Along with actual presentation from LM aircraft manufacturing company's professionals report abt its bird certification Tests of F-35 Canopy and Airframe Structure in its last paragraph.

@500 bro im not trying to degrade yr country or yr forces....I know u love yr country and gave yr blood n sweat for it.......and yr a very nice and patient man as well and so is this @DavidSling guy. But atleast this oct. 16 saga does seem genuine cover up. These aircraft are costing 100 million each to yr country and yr country isnt sitting on tons of natural resources either. Whatever money u have, u make it from yr own hardwork, do remember that.

 

[bosanski vojnik]

You should not take claims from the Syrian govt news agency as anything serious.

Anyway Nice to see the F-35 finally in action. I believe Israel was the first country to use F-16 and F-15 in combat as well?

 

[500]

hahaha common man i know.....i have stayed in this forum long enough to know that.......and on top of that i also know that yr a very senior n credible person of this forum who was a Think tank member too at one point...I have nothing but respect for u as a former soldier of yr country(merkava uploader)
So im mature enough to or atleast analyse what could be fanboy stuff and what could hold a little substance.

Actually what happened was that On 16th oct. last year, syrians did said that they have hit israeli a/c and forced it to retreat...and same day israeli IDf twitter handler said that they have neutralized an anti-aircraft missile was launched from Syria towards IDF aircraft during a routine flight over Lebanon. it did said No hits confirmed!
All this is in that southfront report.......And that website is Russian not really syrian, they r just their collaborators.

But on the same day that bird accident WAS REPORTED, saying that it was 2 week old accident etc etc, this is also mentioned in that report. Along with actual presentation from LM aircraft manufacturing company's professionals report abt its bird certification Tests of F-35 Canopy and Airframe Structure in its last paragraph.

@500 bro im not trying to degrade yr country or yr forces....I know u love yr country and gave yr blood n sweat for it.......and yr a very nice and patient man as well and so is this @DavidSling guy. But atleast this oct. 16 saga does seem genuine cover up. These aircraft are costing 100 million each to yr country and yr country isnt sitting on tons of natural resources either. Whatever money u have, u make it from yr own hardwork, do remember that.

1) If bird accident was some conspiracy that Israel wanted to hide, then why would it report about the accident at all? Jet returned back to service long time ago.
2) How could 1 engine F-35 survive the monster S-200 hit over Lebanon and safely return home? Google S-200 for gods sake.
3) This accident happened before F-35 became even operational. No one would send F-35 to enemy territory before it turns operational.
4) Why do u think its OK for Russian 2 engine jet to crash over a bird hit, while Israeli 1 engine jet can't even suffer some minor damage? Do u think Israeli jets are immune to birds?

You should not take claims from the Syrian govt news agency as anything serious.

Anyway Nice to see the F-35 finally in action. I believe Israel was the first country to use F-16 and F-15 in combat as well?

Yes u are right.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

@500

1) If bird accident was some conspiracy that Israel wanted to hide, then why would it report about the accident at all? Jet returned back to service long time ago.

i dont know ask those media sites, as to where they got that news and even revealed it on that very same day......im just saying what im reading.

2) How could 1 engine F-35 survive the monster S-200 hit over Lebanon and safely return home? Google S-200 for gods sake.

man, i know it has 250kg warhead. Obviously it would have totally destroyed that plane...But SAMs dont really need to hit an aircraft directly...it just have to detonate close to its engine exhaust or its wings to punch a few holes into its body, that would be enough for the jet, enough to damage it i mean not maybe destroy it...example is of that f16, it crashed with its body intact.

3) This accident happened before F-35 became even operational. No one would send F-35 to enemy territory before it turns operational.

it happened on october 2017, first few f35ves were flying in that squadron of f16s whom they were replcing in that same unit. There r pictures on internet n on this forum too before October 16.

4) Why do u think its OK for Russian 2 engine jet to crash over a bird hit, while Israeli 1 engine jet can't even suffer some minor damage? Do u think Israeli jets are immune to birds?

Yeah i agree but difference is that this particular aircraft has been certified as bird proof. And that link i shared does have a pdf file from LM engineers and technicians's presentation that they have along with diagrams...its a 20 page file...too big to upload here or i would have myself.

This is the whole point man, thats why i said it looks fishy.