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Tuesday, August 10, 2010
JERUSALEM - The Associated Press

Israel has threatened to pull out of a U.N. inquiry into a deadly raid on a Turkish ship heading for Gaza, after the U.N. chief said there is no agreement that the panel would refrain from calling Israeli soldiers to testify.

Last week Israel agreed to participate in the U.N. probe into the May 31 raid, when nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed after Israeli naval commandos boarded a Turkish vessel aiming to break Israel's sea blockade of Gaza.

The surprise development late Monday came just hours after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu testified before his country's own inquiry into the raid. He charged that Turkey had an interest in the violent confrontation, refusing to exert its influence to stop the flotilla. A Turkish official rejected that as "ridiculous."

Israeli officials said the agreement to take part in the U.N. probe was conditional on the panel relying on reports from Israel's own military inquiry, not testimony from soldiers.

But at a Monday news conference at U.N. headquarters, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon was asked whether he had agreed not to summon Israeli soldiers before the panel.

"No, there was no such agreement behind the scenes," Ban said, adding that the panel is supposed to work with the Israeli and Turkish inquiries. "And whatever is needed beyond that, they will have to discuss among themselves, in close coordination with the national government authorities, that they can take their own future steps," he said.

In response, the Israeli Prime Minister's Office issued a harsh statement. "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu makes it absolutely clear that Israel will not cooperate with and will not take part in any panel that seeks to interrogate Israeli soldiers," it said.

Israel's agreement to join the probe represented a change in its policy of boycotting U.N. inquiries, considering the world body and its committees biased. This time, however, the international outcry against the deadly raid and the spotlight it turned on Israel's punishing three-year blockade on Gaza appeared to give it little choice but to cooperate.

Israel appointed a retired senior diplomat, Joseph Ciechanover, to join the U.N. panel and was preparing for the start of its deliberations on Tuesday when Ban made his remark, throwing those plans into turmoil.

A senior Israeli official said the advance agreement with Ban was that requests for additional information or clarifications from the panel would be routed through the Israeli representative, and soldiers would not be called for testimony.

"This was and remains a vital condition for Israeli participation in the panel," he said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he went beyond the government statement. This appeared to leave the door open for Israel to resume its cooperation if soldiers are exempted from testifying.

At the Israeli inquiry, Netanyahu gave his version of the events leading up to the clash at sea.

"As we got closer to the date it became clear our diplomatic efforts would not stop it," Netanyahu said. "Apparently the government of Turkey did not see potential friction between Turkish activists and Israel as something that goes against its interests."

Suat Kınıklıoğlu, a member of the Turkish Parliament's foreign affairs committee, charged that Netanyahu's contention that Turkey was interested in a confrontation "is not only ridiculous but constitutes an affront to our intelligence." Kınıklıoğlu said the real problem, which still remains, is Israel's "inhumane blockade of the Gaza Strip."

Israel has released video footage showing the commandos being pummeled with wooden planks and metal rods as they landed on the ship. The pro-Palestinian activists on board the Mavi Marmara have said they acted in self-defense after Israeli troops boarded their boat in international waters.

The five-member Israeli commission, headed by a retired Supreme Court justice and joined by two foreign observers, is looking into the government's decision-making leading up to the raid. Although it does not have the power to mete out punishment, its findings could be politically damaging to Netanyahu and other top officials.

Israel's defense minister is scheduled to face the Israeli inquiry on Tuesday, to be followed by the military chief.

The five-member commission is headed by retired Israeli Supreme Court Justice Jacob Turkel. Beside Turkel, 75, the commission includes a retired general, Amos Horev, 86, and Shabtai Rosenne, a 93-year-old international jurist and diplomat.

International pressure led Israel's government to include two foreign observers: David Trimble, a Nobel peace laureate from Northern Ireland, and Brig. Gen. Ken Watkin, Canada's former chief military prosecutor.

A separate Israeli military inquiry found that military intelligence had failed to predict the violent response on board the Turkish vessel, and troops went in unprepared, expecting only passive resistance. But it said the commandos had acted properly.
 
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That is Israel for you. If it isn't going their way they want to pull out. Shows how credible they are.

They can't even handle a International panel on the issue.
 
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That is Israel for you. If it isn't going their way they want to pull out. Shows how credible they are.

They can't even handle a International panel on the issue.

sorry to say this but before this flottila thing your country was an ally of Israel ... We Pakistanis always found zero credibility in Israel and Israel is struggling hard to prove our point... :cheers:
 
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sorry to say this but before this flottila thing your country was an ally of Israel ... We Pakistanis always found zero credibility in Israel and Israel is struggling hard to prove our point... :cheers:

I think Turks took a very good stance on fotilla thing . And now the whole world is seeing the real face of this Illegal Jew State.
 
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May be for Egyptions who blocked the way to gaza for quite a long time...

Yeah U r right . They are helping these Zionist in isolating Gaza .They should be ashamed of calling themselves Muslim.

They are equally responsible for the condition of Palestinians today......
 
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That's Israeli propaganda. Do you really believe it?

So u are saying tht ur forces are not blocking Gaza isolating it from the whole world . I dont think so if tht was the case the Fotilla ship does not need to go through the blockade of Isreali but through the Egyptian waters.But i think tht was no tht case.
 
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So u are saying tht ur forces are not blocking Gaza isolating it from the whole world .
Yes, because tons of humanitarian aids enter Gaza daily through Egyptian borders.

I dont think so if tht was the case the Fotilla ship does not need to go through the blockade of Isreali but through the Egyptian waters.
They can't, because the Israeli navy blockade Gaza's coasts. Erdogan even thanked the Egyptian government during the flotilla crisis.

But i think tht was no tht case.
If that was the case, you should expect that Gazans hate Egypt, but they actually love Egypt.

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Israeli Raid on Gaza Aid Flotilla Broke Law: UN Probe​

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Israel's military broke international laws during its raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, a UN Human Rights Council investigation says.

The three-member panel said the Israeli commandoes' response to the flotilla was "disproportionate" and "betrayed an unacceptable level of brutality".

Israel insists that its soldiers acted in self-defence during the 31 May raid.

Nine people were killed on board a Turkish ship as it tried to breach an Israeli naval blockade of Gaza.

There was widespread international criticism of Israel's actions, which severely strained relations with its long-time Muslim ally, Turkey.

Israeli inquiry

In a 56-page report, the UN panel said: "There is clear evidence to support prosecutions of the following crimes within the terms of article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention: wilful killing; torture or inhuman treatment; wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health".

“The conduct of the Israeli military and other personnel towards the flotilla passengers was not only disproportionate to the occasion but demonstrated levels of totally unnecessary and incredible violence.”

The Convention is an international treaty governing the protection of civilians in times of war.

The UN fact-finding mission also said the Israeli blockade of the Palestinian territory was "unlawful" because of a humanitarian crisis there.

Just before the report was released, Israel dismissed the Human Rights Council as being biased, politicised and extremist.

Israel also said that work on its own independent inquiry into the raid on the Mavi Mamara ship was still continuing.

The Israeli investigation has two foreign observers, but critics say its remit is too narrow.

Last month, the head of Israel's military, Lt Gen Gabi Ashkenazi, defended its troops' use of live ammunition during the raid. He told the Israeli inquiry that the soldiers had underestimated the threat and should have used more force to subdue activists before boarding.

Those aboard the Mavi Marmara, where the activists were killed, say the commandos opened fire as soon as they boarded the vessel, which was in international waters at the time.

There is also a separate UN enquiry - ordered by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon - into the raid.


BBC News - Israeli raid on Gaza aid flotilla broke law - UN probe
 
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The illegal state Israel can not survive for too long. Too many people against them.
Actually, I'm kind of worried of what they'll do to Jews due to the massive amount of Antisemitism that is rising up. In fact, I believe about 8% of hate crimes are against Muslims while 60+% of hate crimes are against Jews.
 
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"The UN fact-finding mission also said the Israeli blockade of the Palestinian territory was "unlawful" because of a humanitarian crisis there. "

As the Mission apologetically points out in the preface to its report, it was mandated to find violations of international law. (If they had not their report would not have been accepted, that's how such missions work.) But to do that the Mission was compelled, in paragraph 52 of the report, to extend the definition of "damage to the civilian population" to "prevention of reconstruction of past damage" and extend the definition of “starvation” to become "simply to cause hunger".

Without these extensions - quite unsupported by international law or precedent - the case against Israel's blockade of Gaza vanishes into puffs of rhetoric. And since the Mission has expressed the desire to prosecute members of the IDF (the ones seen cruelly beaten in many pictures posted here) for its ex post facto determination of that the blockade is illegal and therefore these soldiers are criminals, then it's clear Israel has been doing the right thing by refusing to allow the Mission to interview them.

So the legal arguments the Mission relies upon would violate Article 12 of Pakistan's constitution, if Pakistan was doing the investigation rather than the U.N. Human Rights Council. Do any Pakistanis have the balls to stand up for Israel as a matter of high principle? If not, how can you complain if terrorists sue members of the P.A. for similar violations and ex post facto determinations in international courts of law? It only starts with the Jews, people!

My conclusion: since the Mission report had to step outside the accepted realms of international law to find grounds to condemn Israel, the Israelis were not at fault in establishing the limited blockade of Gaza, nor at boarding the ships of the flotilla. Just as before the flotilla incident, the blockade was legal, and the San Remo conventions that Israel relied upon to justify its actions were in effect. That means the resistance to and assault upon soldiers of the IDF who boarded the ships was illegal under international law. The next steps are to investigate the organizations behind the attack on the IDF and to seek to prosecute the individuals involved.
 
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