Israel plans to build 500 more illegal settlement homes in occupied East Jerusalem

[Attila the Hun]

Why do people live in such delusions is beyond me.

Name me one competent army in all of the middle east. Just one.

USA will not be around forever, all empires come crumbling down in the end. What makes you think USA won't?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

No its not a joke my friend.

Were Israel EVER on the verge of being overrun, India would intervene. You can take my word for it or not. Am just sharing.

That would USA's job.

India will just sit on the side and watch.

 

[Attila the Hun]

That would USA's job.

India will just sit on the side and watch.

Very good of India

 

[Adir-M]

delusnal mongol

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Putin would never do such a thing. LOL
See, the Israelis are not going to get peace anytime soon. Now. what can they do? They should all go back to Europe, where they came from. That's the only solution
How would you like it if Turks went to india, said this is our homes from the Mughals, lolllll

It is that opinion more than anything else that sabotages any effort of peaceful coexistence,
which is the only reasonable solution.
As long as the state of Israel is not accepted, there is no incentive for them
to take the risk involved in accepting a Palestine state.
It is pretty clear that the current Israeli Government has given up on the peace process,
and is moving ahead with the assumption that the conflict will persist for the foreseeable future.
They have learned to live with it.
If the Palestinians wants a better life, they will have to behave differently, or it will continue like this forever.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

But that doesn't change the fact that we are living in TODAY and Israel's crimes are against U.N/international law which specially states prohibiting the annexation of land through conquest. Which Israel did when they declared independence and they did it again with Sinai and Golan heights and Gaza and the west bank. They are still doing it to this day!

The declaration of the state of Israel was a result of a vote in the UN General Assembly.
I challenge You to name one period where the rulers of the land now beeing Israel has had a more legal claim.
Basically all rules have origins in military conquest.

And no, Israel has annexed Jerusalem, and nothing else.
I am not aware of any state that had recognized the annexation.
The state of Israel was declared within the limits stated by the UN, but ended up
within the limits of the cease fire.
There is NO International Law that says you cannot annex conquered territory.
You are confusing this with the Geneva Convention which is a TREATY,
which is only applicable between two signees.

There is no legal claim to the West Bank since all the recent rulers (Turkey, Great Britain, Jordan)
have backed off their claims.

The Palestinian Authority have only signed the Geneva Convention a few Years ago,
and it does not automatically follow that anything happening before the signing
needs to follow the Geneva Convention.
It is not even clear that the West Bank have to be governed according to the Geneva Convention,
since it was occupied before the signing.

While the Palestinian Authorities have declared a state, it does not have control
over its territories which is really a minimal requirement.

The real situation is that International Law/Treaties are not sophisticated enough
to handle the Israel-Arab conflict, and if they are strictly followed, it does not
necessarily result in a solution which most people would consider fair.

That is why the world wants them to agree between themselves.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

You to name one period where the rulers of the land now beeing Israel has had a more legal claim.

Name every person who had owned Palestine previously and they will have a better legal claim then Israel since they have NONE.

The declaration of the state of Israel was a result of a vote in the UN General Assembly.

On what right did they claim for the state of Israel? For the holocaust which the Palestinians took no part in? Because they were the "chosen" people? For religion?

Tell me what gave the U.N the right to give that land away?

Even then they broke the U.N's plans

Tell me is that what current day Israel looks like?

And no, Israel has annexed Jerusalem, and nothing else.

So they did conquer land illegally that was Palestinian in Origin.

also you are forgetting some lands.

The western two-thirds of the Golan Heights are currently occupied and administrated by Israel

There is NO International Law that says you cannot annex conquered territory.
You are confusing this with the Geneva Convention which is a TREATY,
which is only applicable between two signees.

Wrong once again,

The right of conquest is the right of a conqueror to territory taken by force of arms. It was traditionally a principle of international law that has gradually given way in modern times until its proscription after World War II when the crime of war of aggression was first codified in the Nuremberg Principles and then finally, in 1974, as a United Nations resolution 3314.[1]


led to the abandonment of the right of conquest in formal international law. The 1928 Kellogg–Briand Pact, the post-1945 Nuremberg Trials, the UN Charter, and the UN role in decolonization saw the progressive dismantling of this principle. Simultaneously, the UN Charter's guarantee of the "territorial integrity" of member states effectively froze out claims against prior conquests from this process.

, it is notable that conquest and subsequent occupation outside of war was illegal.[3]

There is no legal claim to the West Bank since all the recent rulers (Turkey, Great Britain, Jordan)
have backed off their claims.

The west bank belongs to the PALESTINIANS as said in the U.N charter you just mentioned.

Also you are forgetting about the rights of indigenous peoples as due in the U.N.

http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/edumat/studyguides/indigenous.html

People who inhabited a land before it was conquered by colonial societies and who consider themselves distinct from the societies currently governing those territories are called Indigenous Peoples.

As defined by the United Nations Special Rapporteur to the Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities, Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are

…those which having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of societies now prevailing in those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop, and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal systems.


I suggest you read up on it and realize that Israel is still breaking more international law.

The real situation is that International Law/Treaties are not sophisticated enough
to handle the Israel-Arab conflict, and if they are strictly followed, it does not
necessarily result in a solution which most people would consider fair.

WRONG, International law makes it quite clear that Israel is a illegal state.

That is why the world wants them to agree between themselves.

Whats the point of agreeing if Israel does not want a 2 state solution? they have made it clear time and time again that they want only an Israel with no Palestine and the holy land for themselves. It is about time someone taught them a lesson.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Name every person who had owned Palestine previously and they will have a better legal claim then Israel since they have NONE.

On what right did they claim for the state of Israel? For the holocaust which the Palestinians took no part in? Because they were the "chosen" people? For religion?

Tell me what gave the U.N the right to give that land away?

Even then they broke the U.N's plans

Tell me is that what current day Israel looks like?



So they did conquer land illegally that was Palestinian in Origin.

also you are forgetting some lands.

The western two-thirds of the Golan Heights are currently occupied and administrated by Israel



Wrong once again,

The right of conquest is the right of a conqueror to territory taken by force of arms. It was traditionally a principle of international law that has gradually given way in modern times until its proscription after World War II when the crime of war of aggression was first codified in the Nuremberg Principles and then finally, in 1974, as a United Nations resolution 3314.[1]


led to the abandonment of the right of conquest in formal international law. The 1928 Kellogg–Briand Pact, the post-1945 Nuremberg Trials, the UN Charter, and the UN role in decolonization saw the progressive dismantling of this principle. Simultaneously, the UN Charter's guarantee of the "territorial integrity" of member states effectively froze out claims against prior conquests from this process.

, it is notable that conquest and subsequent occupation outside of war was illegal.[3]



The west bank belongs to the PALESTINIANS as said in the U.N charter you just mentioned.

Also you are forgetting about the rights of indigenous peoples as due in the U.N.

http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/edumat/studyguides/indigenous.html

People who inhabited a land before it was conquered by colonial societies and who consider themselves distinct from the societies currently governing those territories are called Indigenous Peoples.

As defined by the United Nations Special Rapporteur to the Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities, Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are

…those which having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of societies now prevailing in those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop, and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal systems.


I suggest you read up on it and realize that Israel is still breaking more international law.




WRONG, International law makes it quite clear that Israel is a illegal state.



Whats the point of agreeing if Israel does not want a 2 state solution? they have made it clear time and time again that they want only an Israel with no Palestine and the holy land for themselves. It is about time someone taught them a lesson.

The UN is the legal forum of the world, and they have the certain rights to intervene in all member states,
since member states accept that when joining.

I already pointed out that the state of Israel was formed based on the cease fire lines.
The Palestinians failed to create their own state, due to lack of will and intervention
by Arab neighbouring states, with Jordan annexing the West Bank.

The war of independence was not a war of agression, since Israel was attacked by the neighbours.
The six day war was "started" by Israel, but only after Egypt had committed acts of war by blockading Israel,
so this is really not a war of aggression, it is a war of self defense.
Nürnberg principles are thus not applicable.

The only "indigenious" people I see in the area are maybe the bedouins, and remaining Jews/Christians.
The first "colonial society" occupying the area was the Muslims.

You say that Israel does not want a two state solution, which is an incorrect statement.
A more correct statement is that the current government does not want a two state solution,
and the main reason for that is their belief that a two state solution would just result in a
second Gaza attacking a much larger part of Israel than what currently is possible,
in union with right wingers which wants to colonize the West Bank.

If the situation changes, and a two state solution is perceived to result in an improved life for the average Israeli,
the votes will change.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

The Palestinians failed to create their own state, due to lack of will and intervention
by Arab neighbouring states, with Jordan annexing the West Bank.

It does not matter because under international law they still retain their right to the land as stated by the U.N.

only after Egypt had committed acts of war by blockading Israel,

What? when did anyone blockade Israel? You mean when we denied them access to the Suez canal which is the National property of Egypt. Then they invaded US. It was an act of direct aggression, no one blockaded Israel.

Are you seriously making up bulllshit facts to cover Zionist crimes? You are disgusting.

The only "indigenious" people I see in the area are maybe the bedouins, and remaining Jews/Christians.
The first "colonial society" occupying the area was the Muslims.

Wrong, Palestinians are the indigenous people. They are already recognized as an indigenous people in the U.N this is undeniable you cannot make up bullshit to cover this up.

You say that Israel does not want a two state solution, which is an incorrect statement.
A more correct statement is that the current government does not want a two state solution,
and the main reason for that is their belief that a two state solution would just result in a
second Gaza attacking a much larger part of Israel than what currently is possible,
in union with right wingers which wants to colonize the West Bank.

If the situation changes, and a two state solution is perceived to result in an improved life for the average Israeli,
the votes will change.

WRONG, They want nothing of peace. They want Genocide because they are the new Nazis.

It is only a matter of time before they are crushed underneath our boots.


Deal with it swede and go leave your pathetic Zionist sympathizing ideals with some Israelis.

 

[GiannKall]

Mark my words. Israel will find a way to incite a Palestinian uprising and massacre them. Its not as tough to do it with leaders like Assad doing the same thing to their people

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

It does not matter because under international law they still retain their right to the land as stated by the U.N.



What? when did anyone blockade Israel? You mean when we denied them access to the Suez canal which is the National property of Egypt. Then they invaded US. It was an act of direct aggression, no one blockaded Israel.

Are you seriously making up bulllshit facts to cover Zionist crimes? You are disgusting.

Wrong, Palestinians are the indigenous people. They are already recognized as an indigenous people in the U.N this is undeniable you cannot make up bullshit to cover this up.

WRONG, They want nothing of peace. They want Genocide because they are the new Nazis.

It is only a matter of time before they are crushed underneath our boots.


Deal with it swede and go leave your pathetic Zionist sympathizing ideals with some Israelis.

Nasser declared the Straits of Tiran closed to Israeli shipping on May 22–23, 1967.
A blockade is an act of war according to International Law.
The Arab side also started to concentrate troops close to the border of Israel.

To be considered indigenous, a group must be the first humans to claim the territories.
Many Palstinians originates from neighbouring countries,like Yassir Arafat.
Show some sources, since Palestinians are not be found on any list of indigenous peope I can find,

You obviously want nothing of peace, and You expect them to be friendly?

 

[Attila the Hun]

It is that opinion more than anything else that sabotages any effort of peaceful coexistence,
which is the only reasonable solution.
As long as the state of Israel is not accepted, there is no incentive for them
to take the risk involved in accepting a Palestine state.
It is pretty clear that the current Israeli Government has given up on the peace process,
and is moving ahead with the assumption that the conflict will persist for the foreseeable future.
They have learned to live with it.
If the Palestinians wants a better life, they will have to behave differently, or it will continue like this forever.

That's the thing, I have an Israeli friend , living in Tel Aviv, she wants a two state solution. i hear the same from Palestinians too.
This can be achieved,

delusnal mongol

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Nasser declared the Straits of Tiran closed to Israeli shipping on May 22–23, 1967.
A blockade is an act of war according to International Law.
The Arab side also started to concentrate troops close to the border of Israel.

To be considered indigenous, a group must be the first humans to claim the territories.
Many Palstinians originates from neighbouring countries,like Yassir Arafat.
Show some sources, since Palestinians are not be found on any list of indigenous peope I can find,

You obviously want nothing of peace, and You expect them to be friendly?

If your a dumbass to consider that a blockade. It's called Sanctions, if that was a act of war then we would all be dead from Russia nuking us for sanctioning it.


I swear all you idiots never bother to think through your statements.

The definition of a blockade is

"an act or means of sealing off a place to prevent goods or people from entering or leaving."
"there was a blockade of humanitarian aid"


That is what Israel is doing to gaza so pointing out more breaches in international law. Banning a country from the Suez Canal is not a blockade only dumbasses who know nothing of the word would suggest such a thing.

I swear to god you Zionists are fucking dumbasses. Can you use your brain before spewing more bullshit?

Also Palestinians lived in that area not the surrounding. That would be the bedouins.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

If your a dumbass to consider that a blockade. It's called Sanctions, if that was a act of war then we would all be dead from Russia nuking us for sanctioning it.


I swear all you idiots never bother to think through your statements.

The definition of a blockade is

"an act or means of sealing off a place to prevent goods or people from entering or leaving."
"there was a blockade of humanitarian aid"


That is what Israel is doing to gaza so pointing out more breaches in international law. Banning a country from the Suez Canal is not a blockade only dumbasses who know nothing of the word would suggest such a thing.

I swear to god you Zionists are fucking dumbasses. Can you use your brain before spewing more bullshit?

Also Palestinians lived in that area not the surrounding. That would be the bedouins.

There is no difference between Your "sanctions" and a blockade.
Egypt was warned by Israel, that such sanctions/blockade would be considered an act of war.

A blockade is a legal act of war, as long as certain rules are followed.
If Egypt still did not understand that it was an act of war, then it learned that the hard way.

Since Egypt announced the blockade, the six day war then is an act in self defense,
and not a war of aggression.

Jordan then attacked Israel after beeing taken for a ride by Nasser, and then the attack on the West Bank
also became a war of self defense.
You keep mentioning the Suez Canal, while I have not...

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

If Egypt still did not understand that it was an act of war, then it learned that the hard way.

Since Egypt announced the blockade, the six day war then is an act in self defense,
and not a war of aggression.

Jordan then attacked Israel after beeing taken for a ride by Nasser, and then the attack on the West Bank
also became a war of self defense.
You keep mentioning the Suez Canal, while I have not...

What blockade are you bringing up? Did our navy surround Israel and prevent it from cutie supplies at sea because that's a blockade. Let me answer for you NO

Therefore the 67' war was an unprovoked war of aggression for the purpose of annexing land. There you go stop hiding behind bullshit and get it through your tiny retarded brain and realize that Israel is the war criminals.


Also Israel gave no warning nor mention. They simply attacked outright, I am sick of Zionists who love Israel and will make up any bullshit to cover up Israel's crimes.


There was no blockade of any sort. I suggest you research the word before blurting it out like the dumbass you are.