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Israel Hijacks Aid cargo, executes hostages - Pak journo, Talat Hussain taken hostage

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This particular incidence is condemnable.

1) The raid should have been carried in daytime and not in darkness of night.
2) The Intelligence should have been cross verified since it involved participation of citizens other than Israel and Gaza
3) Israel has right to defend itself in any manner it deems fit, whether legal or illegal. Its interception of flotilla is justified but not at the cost of killing innocents.

1) The raid should not have been taken in the first place
2) Israel has no right to see who is visiting Gaza and who isn't.
3) No. It was a clear aggression against civilians that too in International waters.
 
You have no idea how many resolutions at the UN Pakistan has sponsored or co-sponsored on the Palestine issue. In the times of Nehru, India did go to bat for the Palestinians, but after him, this support has constantly been on the decline.

Zia did have a part to play in the 70s uprising in Jordan, but more than made up his relationship with Yasser Arafat who was a regular visitor to Pakistan during Zia's time.
Sponsoring resolutions is mere rhetoric my friend. How does that help Palestinians on the ground. Is Israel following those resolutions? I'm talking about direct actions that have helped the Palestinians here.
How much monetary aid to Palestine? How many schools and hospitals has Pakistan sponsored? How many university scholarships provided? Is this also not part of the help to Palestinians?

Zia played his part, but why do that in the first place? Even the Israeli weapons transfer have been mentioned in other places but lets leave that as speculation.
Although its quite possible that Zia insisted on their being no overt connection with Israel as long as he gets the arms. A dictator does not really have to take the public into confidence. the Pakistani people might have cared a lot for Palestinians. But Zia was thinking that he is fighting a war and using soviet marked weapons to kill soviet soldiers would be great. Egyptian produced weapons would have Egyptian markings and would be easily linked to Egypt as compared to the directly shipped weapons to the Palestinians.

The problem is some people like Mengla see any "perceived" feelings of neglect by India to the Palestinians and then shout that look at India's two faced dealings--they are actually Israel's best friends.

And fully ignoring the fact that Turkey has been the only Muslim country to be an Israeli ally and not only held joint military exercises but co-produced and did R&D on defense with them. Any condemnation about that?

I am just trying to highlight the hypocritical way some Pakistanis are portraying this although I appreciate others who do not.

The reason of this ambiguity with Zia in Jordan and Turkey and Israel being best friends is the Cold War backdrop but I won't go into that here.

Altogether, Pakistan has always supported the Palestinian cause and continues to do so with the same gusto and vigor today which is quite contrary to India's support which is increasingly becoming marginal by the day as the GoI and the Indian security establishment tries to chummy up to Israel.

Qualitatively, Pakistan's support for the Palestinians, as compared to that of India is much better.

What you have to understand is in India, you will hear all kinds of voices but only the consensus will move forward. There will be fringe Muslims who will be calling for the destruction of Israel and that it doesn't have any right to exist assuming this is their way of showing full support to the Palestinians on one hand to the fringe Hindus who will call for unconditional support for Israel only because of their "perceived" shared hatred of anything Muslim with the Israelis.
And then you have everything in between.

But the consensus is that Palestine is not just a Muslim-Jew issue, but a humanitarian issue. Not just Indian Muslims but Indians of all faiths have and are protesting against Israeli actions peacefully, not burning tires or cars in anger.

And this consensus will eventually be shown by the GoI. Lets leave aside the historical stuff where India is a regular contributor to UNRWA-even in the BJP-led regime. Just in 2009, India provided $20million in aid to Palestine as well as voted FOR the Goldstein report on the war crimes investigation for Gaza. So I fail to understand how Indian support has been "reduced". Supporting Palestinians does not mean just calling for the end of Israel. India might not support HAMAS, but neither does majority of the Arab states including Saudi Arabia, Egypt or Jordan because of its arrogant and destructive policies. This does not mean that either of these countries don't have a soft corner for Palestinians and infact it was KSA who came up with the 2002 Arab peace plan and instrumental in George Bush publicly declaring American policy for the first time for a two state solution.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware of Pakistan (comparing with India) providing such development aid directly or to UNRWA either now or before.

Here is a article on Abbas' visit to India in 2008 that provides a recent overview.
India Stands Committed To Palestinian Cause


I'm just tired of some Pakistanis making hypocritical statements probably based on inane posts by some Indians as well on what GoI or India as a whole stands for on the Israeli-Palestine issue. Fringe opinions of blaming everything of Palestinians is not mainstream in India. And of course, I hope a similar opinion of blaming everything on Israelis should be there either.

But in this case, Israel has no excuse to go shooting multiples time at activists at all. And that has been the GoI stand as well. That force in this case cannot be justified.


Hopefully this puts it in the perspective

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There is actually a running thread here
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/58459-indian-aid-palestine.html
Again the objective is not to boast about this, but inform.
 
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Autopsy shows Gaza activists were hit 30 times: Report

LONDON: Nine Turkish activists killed in an Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound aid ship were shot a total of 30 times and five died of gunshot wounds to the head, Britain's Guardian newspaper reported on Friday.

Autopsy results showed the men were hit mostly with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range, the Guardian said, quoting Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine which carried out the autopsies on Friday.

Israeli commandos stormed a flotilla of aid ships planning to break the Israeli sea blockade of Gaza on Monday. The deaths, which all took place on one ship, the Mavi Marmara, drew widespread condemnation.

Israel said the marines who rappelled onto the Mavi Marmara fired in self-defence after activists attacked them with clubs and knives as well as two pistols snatched from the commandos.

The autopsy results showed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back, the Guardian said.

A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has U.S. citizenship, was shot five times from less than 45 cm (18 inches) away, in the face, the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back, it said.

Two other men were shot four times. Five of those killed were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, the Guardian quoted Buyuk as saying.

In addition to those killed, 48 others suffered gunshot wounds and six activists were still missing, he added.

Israel said the multiple gunshot wounds did not mean the shots were fired other than in self defence.

"The only situation when a soldier shot was when it was a clearly a life-threatening situation," the Guardian quoted a spokesman for the Israeli embassy in London as saying.

"Pulling the trigger quickly can result in a few bullets being in the same body, but does not change the fact they were in a life-threatening situation," the spokesman said.

The newspaper quoted Haluk Ince, chairman of the council of forensic medicine in Istanbul, as saying that in only one case was there a single bullet wound, to the forehead from a distant shot, while every other body showed multiple wounds.

He said all but one of the bullets retrieved from the bodies came from 9mm rounds. Of the other round, Ince said: "It was the first time we have seen this kind of material used in firearms. It was just a container including many types of pellets usually used in shotguns. It penetrated the head region in the temple and we found it intact in the brain."

No-one at Turkey's forensic laboratory could immediately be reached for comment.

Turkey, Israel's only Muslim ally, stepped up its rhetoric over the killings on Friday, accusing the Jewish state of betraying its own biblical law.
 
Well the autopsy report news above very much tells that these people were killed as a result of hate and not in self defence and perfectly shows these people were executed point blank.

And the news of one commando getting a medal for killing six innocent humans also shows how the killing happened and why.

Well this is the level of the IDF soldiers and the commandos.
 
After the terrorist attack on the Freedom Flotilla by Israel, people around the world have stood up and protested the Gaza Blockade.

Palestine, the world is with you!

Say thanks!

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:lol:, if only the people of my nation spend more time working. However this is the best and most creative.
 
thanks FreekiN wonderful pictures

Thanks a lot :D
 
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:lol:, if only the people of my nation spend more time working. However this is the best and most creative.

Yeah, I said the same thing.

An American flag on top of a donkey which is standing on a shoe-laden Israeli flag.

Epic.

My pleasure, Zaki. :D
 
Wow, some members love standing up for palestinians rights more than they do for for Kashmiris rights. Interesting.......
 

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