Israel concerned: Saudi Air Force to outnumber Israel's advanced US jet

[agentny17]

The main problem with Egyptian air force now is that is is lacking. In two things. Two very decisive things:

1-BVR capability is almost non-existent which means there will be higher percentage of jets downed for Egypt than Israel. Note however Egypt has sparrow and Aims so in close range they can put up one helluva fight but I would still bet on the Israel pythons over those.
2-target and designeatio is kept one generation inferior to that of Egypt. Meaning Israeli litening pods will whip the floor with Egyptian Lantirns. Egyptian requested Sniper pods now but we will see how that turns out. If Egypt has sniper then even though it is not equal it will still give one helluva fight none the less. We make democles pods domestically it's quality is between sniper and lantirn work already started on a domestic one that will rival the Litening even though I doubt we will outclass Israel in this area.

Great post, the main problem for Egypt is financial in my mind. The US knows that Egypt can not afford any alternative, like you guys, Turkey, ect..

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Great post, the main problem for Egypt is financial in my mind. The US knows that Egypt can not afford any alternative, like you guys, Turkey, ect..

What makes you think Turkey has no alternatives? Turkey has already +50% self sufficient and deal with non USA countries to develop military technology

 

[Mosamania]

Great post, the main problem for Egypt is financial in my mind. The US knows that Egypt can not afford any alternative, like you guys, Turkey, ect..

Do not forget corruption. Egypt mainly receives weapons on "Military Aid" which means Egypt CAN NOT independently check the "sensitive" parts of the AirCraft. "Military Aid" is a curse in disguise. Even Israel suffers from it (But not to the extent of other nations) because there will be no "Third party" checking the AirCraft inside out for anything wrong in it. Buying outright as KSA and Turkey (recently) does give it clearer capabilities meaning no US access of GPS trackers etc. like the ones you have in a car with one with good hacking capability can know the location if your car or cell phone. (You need GPS for GPS guided bombs/missiles fired from AirCrafts)

So Egypt can not for instance reverse engineer an F-16 for example.

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What makes you think Turkey has no alternatives? Turkey has already +50% self sufficient and deal with non USA countries to develop military technology

He did not say Turkey had no alternatives but the other way around.

 

[agentny17]

What makes you think Turkey has no alternatives? Turkey has already +50% self sufficient and deal with non USA countries to develop military technology

I was actually saying that Egypt does not have any alternatives, because of financial reasons. Egypt can not do anything about any US pressure. But Saudi Arabia and Turkey HAVE alternatives because they have good economies, and the US can not really do much about what kind of weapons they purchase. I guess i should have been clearer.

 

[agentny17]

Do not forget corruption. Egypt mainly receives weapons on "Military Aid" which means Egypt CAN NOT independently check the "sensitive" parts of the AirCraft. "Military Aid" is a curse in disguise. Even Israel suffers from it (But not to the extent of other nations) because there will be no "Third party" checking the AirCraft inside out for anything wrong in it. Buying outright as KSA and Turkey (recently) does give it clearer capabilities meaning no US access of GPS trackers etc. like the ones you have in a car with one with good hacking capability can know the location if your car or cell phone. (You need GPS for GPS guided bombs/missiles fired from AirCrafts)

So Egypt can not for instance reverse engineer an F-16 for example.

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He did not say Turkey had no alternatives but the other way around.

True, a better economy is a key. Hopefully the economy will improve under the new government. The MB are very confident that they can improve the economy drastically in the next 5 years, not sure where they get this confidence from, we will see.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

True, a better economy is a key. Hopefully the economy will improve under the new government. The MB are very confident that they can improve the economy drastically in the next 5 years, not sure where they get this confidence from, we will see.

I don't know the situation in Egypt, but for Turkey it was crucial in 60's to send it's workforce to work in Europe. With that money coming to Turkey, we kept our economy running. For Egyptians, it seems that they didn't do. Well still worth considering.

 

[untitled]

I don't know the situation in Egypt, ....

They had to face wars with Israel and political instability

 

[Mosamania]

True, a better economy is a key. Hopefully the economy will improve under the new government. The MB are very confident that they can improve the economy drastically in the next 5 years, not sure where they get this confidence from, we will see.

The majority of Saudi offshore investments are concentrated in Egypt now. Egypt has a workforce but not enough money to kick start an industry. and that is where we come in. We want Egypt to join GCC as you probably already know and for that it needs to better its economy as not to become a strain on already GCC states. And the way to do that is to help the Egyptian economy. Mubarak despite media hogwash was not all that liked in KSA. He after all kept turning down the Saudi-Egyptian bridge project out of "Israeli security concerns" The first thing that happened after he left was negotiating on that has started again but it was postponed till an effective Egyptian government is in place.

Of course this may just sound like a "Another bridge" but it is infact a long standing goal to improve bilateral trade and open Egypt as a target for Saudi products this year we will start making cars and ships on a commercial level and Egypt is a potential customer for those things also a new rail road and a dry dock is ALREADY under construction near the bridge potential start to get our produce to Egypt.

 

[agentny17]

I don't know the situation in Egypt, but for Turkey it was crucial in 60's to send it's workforce to work in Europe. With that money coming to Turkey, we kept our economy running. For Egyptians, it seems that they didn't do. Well still worth considering.

Egyptian diaspora is the main source for foreign currency for the Egyptian economy along side with Tourism, and Suez Canal.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

It certainly seems a good step and people know how much I criticize the saudis for being lapdogs.

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I been saying this for a while, this is the first time ever that an Air Force in the region is considered a match technological wise to Israel's Air Force, and this is huge. Israel air force is the main reason they won their previous wars, and it is the reason they would win any coming war.

Saudi Arabia may have matched Israel Air Force or exceeded it with the number of Advance jets however no Arab Airforce is as good as Israel, however this is something Egypt should work towards.

 

[agentny17]

The majority of Saudi offshore investments are concentrated in Egypt now. Egypt has a workforce but not enough money to kick start an industry. and that is where we come in. We want Egypt to join GCC as you probably already know and for that it needs to better its economy as not to become a strain on already GCC states. And the way to do that is to help the Egyptian economy. Mubarak despite media hogwash was not all that liked in KSA. He after all kept turning down the Saudi-Egyptian bridge project out of "Israeli security concerns" The first thing that happened after he left was negotiating on that has started again but it was postponed till an effective Egyptian government is in place.

Of course this may just sound like a "Another bridge" but it is infact a long standing goal to improve bilateral trade and open Egypt as a target for Saudi products this year we will start making cars and ships on a commercial level and Egypt is a potential customer for those things also a new rail road and a dry dock is ALREADY under construction near the bridge potential start to get our produce to Egypt.

Israel won't be really happy about this bridge , lol. Saudi Arabia have helped Egypt economically a lot, despide what a lot of people think. The numbers of Egyptians who work in SA helps as well... My only problem with Saudi Arabia is that it supports the Salafis groups in Egypt, and they are not really nice or smart people to support that much. But, i was reading the other day that a Saudi Prince was saying that the Saudi government doesn't support any Salafi groups inside or outside Egypt, its the Salafis themselves who support eachothers. He said that Saudi Arabia itself suffers from those Salafis groups.

 

[untitled]

It certainly seems a good step and people know how much I criticize the saudis ...

Your posts were missed at the beginning of this thread

 

[Kazhugu]

simply we are one of the very few countries in the world that actually has money and not debt. Israel itself is highly dependent on American Military aid. Money talks louder than anything in this world. Companies will give a huge middle finger to "Israeli concerns" if shown the right amount of cash.

remember the jooos control the world media, banking etc......atleast thats what they say in this forum....

 

[agentny17]

It certainly seems a good step and people know how much I criticize the saudis for being lapdogs.

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Saudi Arabia may have matched Israel Air Force or exceeded it with the number of Advance jets however no Arab Airforce is as good as Israel, however this is something Egypt should work towards.

No money, no honey... Egyptian Air Force would not get upgarded, unless Egyptian economy improves.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

No money, no honey... Egyptian Air Force would not get upgarded, unless Egyptian economy improves.

This is True, However I believe Egypt should start focusing on an a indigenous Defense Industry, Intelligence, Discipline and Training will make the Egyptian Eagle Rise Again. once the economy starts running.