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How about u say that on Pakistani public on streets of Karachi or lahore, i am sure after this u wont be able to type ur comment
Israel and Turkey move closer to reconciliation, normalized relations
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How about u say that on Pakistani public on streets of Karachi or lahore, i am sure after this u wont be able to type ur comment
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How about u say that on Pakistani public on streets of Karachi or lahore, i am sure after this u wont be able to type ur comment
Do you want me to take a loud speaker in my hand and start going through streets? I am from Lahore and i always raise my voice and this forum is just not the only place where i do.
Please! I have heard this numerous times Zionist this Zionist that. Let me ask you this is Indians any less of a threat to Pakistan or its existence?
Does our religion forbids us to have day to day dealings with Jews or Christians or Kafirs?
We dont have to be friends or in bed with them, but denying that they exist is nothing but moronic and stupid at best. Israel is a reality and is not going anywhere neither is Pakistan. And let me say this the country we really need to cut all ties is in fact India the one responsible for thousands of deaths of Pakistani due to their sponsored terrorism, the one who direct involvement costed us our eastern wing. Who is illegally occupying Kashmir.
So lets drop this hypocrisy.
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Actually yes
but you dont need speaker... why dont u go to yadgaar and say same thing to some random peoples.
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why do we recognize then as a state ?????
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I didnt get your question? What do you mean by why do we recognize then as a state?
The steps to "normalize" relations with israel shows that at least Turkish govt thinks the previous verbal quarrels and canceling a few deals with israel are meant to be repairable from their side. One issue for Turkey after broken relations with Russia is ofcourse gas that can be purchased from israel or qatar. The other is quiet possibly israels advancements in electronic warfare to gain advantage that can work against S400 jamming it or at least exposing its precise location gaining significant advantage. As we all know during previous years israel breached many times through damascus and similar regions that are supposed to be protected by buk, pantsyr and even S300 batteries and bombed Syrian army and Hezbollah positions many times showing their jamming advantage over Russian radars.
From israels side it is possible to start again the trading part but I think they will use Turkey as a fear card against Russia and don't sell high tech ew equipment. In return ofcourse they can demand Russia to allow israel to strike inside Syria at will again and again.
Since 2006 although being bombed many times Hezbollah although striking back once after a loss of high value member by israel priorly breaking the ceasefire, didn't escalate the conflict with israel further and currently only fighting against daesh and similar terrorist groups alongside Syrian army and ofcourse Russia providing aircover. Or Not?
As we all know last week israel again breaking laws intruded into a sovereign country Syria killing 10 people who are currently not actively engaged with war against israel complying with 2006 ceasefire but fighting only against daesh. There would be no meaning of the un ceasefire if attacks continue but everyone knows another conflict nearby would put everyone fighting there in Syria under a vulnurable position and israel is also taking advantage of it.
It is debatable that if israel would be allowed to strike again. Russia although a powerful player should know that it is a single piece on the chess board and needs others and should make moves to not to further lose balance of power to Usa for deterrence against further wars. If Russia is fine with sanctions and occasional strikes not only to its allies but even towards itself by "partners" like usa, israel or similar then it is not a big problem. However in that case there should be no further complaints about nato expansion-combined disproportionate military power, usa hegemony over Russian foreign policy, dependant Russian economy to be sanctioned at will or never ending wars around.
From israels side it is possible to start again the trading part but I think they will use Turkey as a fear card against Russia and don't sell high tech ew equipment. In return ofcourse they can demand Russia to allow israel to strike inside Syria at will again and again.
Since 2006 although being bombed many times Hezbollah although striking back once after a loss of high value member by israel priorly breaking the ceasefire, didn't escalate the conflict with israel further and currently only fighting against daesh and similar terrorist groups alongside Syrian army and ofcourse Russia providing aircover. Or Not?
As we all know last week israel again breaking laws intruded into a sovereign country Syria killing 10 people who are currently not actively engaged with war against israel complying with 2006 ceasefire but fighting only against daesh. There would be no meaning of the un ceasefire if attacks continue but everyone knows another conflict nearby would put everyone fighting there in Syria under a vulnurable position and israel is also taking advantage of it.
It is debatable that if israel would be allowed to strike again. Russia although a powerful player should know that it is a single piece on the chess board and needs others and should make moves to not to further lose balance of power to Usa for deterrence against further wars. If Russia is fine with sanctions and occasional strikes not only to its allies but even towards itself by "partners" like usa, israel or similar then it is not a big problem. However in that case there should be no further complaints about nato expansion-combined disproportionate military power, usa hegemony over Russian foreign policy, dependant Russian economy to be sanctioned at will or never ending wars around.
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Israel needs Turkey.Because of Russians movement on Ukranian and Syria, Europians dont rely on them and wants another energy sources.Israel has a chance now if Russia again gains Europian's confidence its hard to sell gas to them.Yes there is big money for Israel but oil and gas break down.Cost of Israel gas is not cheap.Only one way for pipeline is turkey.others are way too expensive for Israel gas.Gas and oil prices will not increase.ı dont think they care much about Russia because they want to sell gas for Russians place.When it comes to money they always choose money and when they begin to sell who will lost the money?Russians.May be we will see gazza blocade will end for only Turkey next days.Or these will not happen Israel,Egypt and cyprus will find another way.They may also convert gas to lng then sent with tankers to europe
.Europeans convert lng to gasIsrael see the importance of Turkey's position and geopolitic then changed politics.Sisi wants to find way to have good relations with Turkey.His foreing minister said something about it.Greece and Cyprus began to talk with Turkish side about Cyprus conflict.Business man began to talk about who will restore the Maras region which will open.Is it miracle? no its all about money and energyAnd Russians begin to learn it in hardways by economically and geopolitically.
.Europeans convert lng to gasIsrael see the importance of Turkey's position and geopolitic then changed politics.Sisi wants to find way to have good relations with Turkey.His foreing minister said something about it.Greece and Cyprus began to talk with Turkish side about Cyprus conflict.Business man began to talk about who will restore the Maras region which will open.Is it miracle? no its all about money and energyAnd Russians begin to learn it in hardways by economically and geopolitically.
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No, Israel doesn't need Turkey. Israel is doing fine without exporting gas to anyone.
Turkey, however, hasn't learned to live without natural gas yet.
Israel does need Turkey, and Turkey needs Israel.
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The blackmail is cute, I will give that to you.
A lot of members here have 'my way or highway' mentality which is reason PDF is full of ethnic/troll wars. I told you before and will tell you again. If Hezbollah and Iran commit good-doing then the Palestinian people will commend them. If they commit wrongdoing then we call it out. That won't change with me, so give up your efforts.
What you're saying though is basically admitting you have no principles or values which should embarrass you as a person. You are not scaring me or making me feel awkward. I have principles and values. What people on this forum say doesn't impact me, because many of them are lowly people who feed off hate/trolling. You can get attention from people who dislike me here, if to you that means you're doing something right then all power to you. But I would hate to be you. That says a lot about your personal character and how you are in real life. You are not a strong willed or tough person.
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Trade between Israel and Turkey booming
Despite political tensions between two countries, trade 'more than doubled in the past five years', amounting to $5.6 billion.
The Media Line
Published: 02.11.15, 20:27 / Israel Business
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Israelis buying a Japanese car in Tel Aviv might be surprised to learn that the car was actually built in Turkey. Tourists buying dried figs in Israel’s Machane Yehuda market probably also don’t know that the figs are also imported.
These are just two of the examples of the burgeoning trade between Israel and Turkey, trade that has more than doubled in the past five years, according to the Turkish Statistics Institute, and confirmed by Israeli officials, to $5.6 billion. About half of that is exports from Israel to Turkey, and the other half, Turkish goods, like the cars, coming to Israel.
“The economies of Turkey and Israel complement each other and the trade ties are flourishing,” Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nachshon told The Media Line. “That’s the good news. Unfortunately the political ties are not as good, and this is a consequence of the harsh attack by the Turkish leadership against Israel.”
All-inclusive resort in Turkey
Ties between Israel and Turkey have foundered since Israeli naval commandos killed ten Turkish activists on a ship that was trying to break Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip. Three years later, President Obama brokered a telephone apology from Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu for the deaths of the ten Turkish citizens, but relations have not returned to normal.
Israel and Turkey do not have currently have ambassadors in each other’s countries, but lower-level diplomatic representatives. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has consistently made anti-Israel comments including last month, commenting on Netanyahu’s trip to Paris after the killings at Charlie Hebdo and the kosher supermarket. Referring to last summer’s fighting between Israel and the Islamist Hamas movement in the Gaza Strip, Erdogan said Netanyahu must “give an account for the children, women you massacred.”
In response Israel’s Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called Erodan an “anti-Semitic, neighborhood bully.”
That rhetoric has been stepped up in advance of the June, 2015 election for 550 new members of the Grand National Assembly, the Turkish parliament.
Cruise ship (Photo: Reuters)
“We’ve repeatedly seen that whenever there is an election campaign there is an increase in anti-Israel rhetoric,” a senior Israeli official told The Media Line on condition of anonymity. “It’s almost part of the electoral campaign, and the more anti-Israel you are, the more popular you are. That is something we can’t accept.”
Yet both Israel and Turkey seem happy to distinguish between their political and economic connections.
“Both countries have built a wall between their political diplomatic relations, and their economic ties,” Alon Liel, a former director general of the Foreign Ministry told The Media Line. “Both economies are growing and their needs are growing. They decided that although they can fiercely quarrel on the diplomatic level, civilian trade has been almost unaffected.”
Turkey is Israel’s 7th or 8th largest trading partner, he said. Israel exports chemicals like potash to Turkey, and imports manufactured goods and food.
In the late 1990’s Israel also made extensive arms deals with Turkey for upgrading its aircraft and tanks, and even selling it drones. Those deals have been put on hold based on the tense political situation.
Alon Liel says that both Israel and Turkey have become increasingly isolated in the Middle East, and if there was a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the two countries could reestablish their close political ties.
“Turkey didn’t do very well in the last five years in the region,” Liel said. “They ruined their relations with Syria and Egypt, and have problematic relations with Iraq and Iran. Turkey needs friends in the region.”
That last sentence could be said of Israel as well, and the economic ties could form the basis for a new regional alliance in the future.
Article by Linda Gradstein.
Despite political tensions between two countries, trade 'more than doubled in the past five years', amounting to $5.6 billion.
The Media Line
Published: 02.11.15, 20:27 / Israel Business
Tweet
Israelis buying a Japanese car in Tel Aviv might be surprised to learn that the car was actually built in Turkey. Tourists buying dried figs in Israel’s Machane Yehuda market probably also don’t know that the figs are also imported.
These are just two of the examples of the burgeoning trade between Israel and Turkey, trade that has more than doubled in the past five years, according to the Turkish Statistics Institute, and confirmed by Israeli officials, to $5.6 billion. About half of that is exports from Israel to Turkey, and the other half, Turkish goods, like the cars, coming to Israel.
“The economies of Turkey and Israel complement each other and the trade ties are flourishing,” Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nachshon told The Media Line. “That’s the good news. Unfortunately the political ties are not as good, and this is a consequence of the harsh attack by the Turkish leadership against Israel.”
All-inclusive resort in Turkey
Ties between Israel and Turkey have foundered since Israeli naval commandos killed ten Turkish activists on a ship that was trying to break Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip. Three years later, President Obama brokered a telephone apology from Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu for the deaths of the ten Turkish citizens, but relations have not returned to normal.
Israel and Turkey do not have currently have ambassadors in each other’s countries, but lower-level diplomatic representatives. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has consistently made anti-Israel comments including last month, commenting on Netanyahu’s trip to Paris after the killings at Charlie Hebdo and the kosher supermarket. Referring to last summer’s fighting between Israel and the Islamist Hamas movement in the Gaza Strip, Erdogan said Netanyahu must “give an account for the children, women you massacred.”
In response Israel’s Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman called Erodan an “anti-Semitic, neighborhood bully.”
That rhetoric has been stepped up in advance of the June, 2015 election for 550 new members of the Grand National Assembly, the Turkish parliament.
Cruise ship (Photo: Reuters)
“We’ve repeatedly seen that whenever there is an election campaign there is an increase in anti-Israel rhetoric,” a senior Israeli official told The Media Line on condition of anonymity. “It’s almost part of the electoral campaign, and the more anti-Israel you are, the more popular you are. That is something we can’t accept.”
Yet both Israel and Turkey seem happy to distinguish between their political and economic connections.
“Both countries have built a wall between their political diplomatic relations, and their economic ties,” Alon Liel, a former director general of the Foreign Ministry told The Media Line. “Both economies are growing and their needs are growing. They decided that although they can fiercely quarrel on the diplomatic level, civilian trade has been almost unaffected.”
Turkey is Israel’s 7th or 8th largest trading partner, he said. Israel exports chemicals like potash to Turkey, and imports manufactured goods and food.
In the late 1990’s Israel also made extensive arms deals with Turkey for upgrading its aircraft and tanks, and even selling it drones. Those deals have been put on hold based on the tense political situation.
Alon Liel says that both Israel and Turkey have become increasingly isolated in the Middle East, and if there was a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the two countries could reestablish their close political ties.
“Turkey didn’t do very well in the last five years in the region,” Liel said. “They ruined their relations with Syria and Egypt, and have problematic relations with Iraq and Iran. Turkey needs friends in the region.”
That last sentence could be said of Israel as well, and the economic ties could form the basis for a new regional alliance in the future.
Article by Linda Gradstein.
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The blackmail is cute, I will give that to you.
A lot of members here have 'my way or highway' mentality which is reason PDF is full of ethnic/troll wars. I told you before and will tell you again. If Hezbollah and Iran commit good-doing then the Palestinian people will commend them. If they commit wrongdoing then we call it out. That won't change with me, so give up your efforts.
What you're saying though is basically admitting you have no principles or values which should embarrass you as a person. You are not scaring me or making me feel awkward. I have principles and values. What people on this forum say doesn't impact me, because many of them are lowly people who feed off hate/trolling. You can get attention from people who dislike me here, if to you that means you're doing something right then all power to you. But I would hate to be you. That says a lot about your personal character and how you are in real life. You are not a strong willed or tough person.
I'm not a stubborn teen anymore. I used to hate fish, now I sort of like it.
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Read about mamluks you dumb shit.. if they had any tactics they wouldn't have been enslaved..You are just a low life trying to make yourself important..don't play here go look for kids like you or go cry in a corner about your dumb ancestors.. you are far from being an Iraqi..
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