Israel Air Force to Participate in U.S. Drill Alongside Pakistani, U.A.E. Jets

[IceCold]

Vision of PAF:"To be among the most respected Air Force of the world."
and respect is only earned on high moral grounds

Isreal is committing genocide of Palestine people if our forces cant save them then they should also not some fancy drills with the isrealis

They are the best because they train with the best. What do you think will happen once we stop training? Has US not killed muslims? What about Indian genocide in Kashmir? Why do we have diplomatic relations with India? Please answer these questions.

 

[A2Z]

The news is good since if PAF goes against IDF then there will be something to learn. However IMO both the sides if even come face to face would play easy and wont reveal their tricks. On the other hand I think PAF pilots learn more when they go against chinese flankers, Turkish and Emirati F-16 or KSA's F-15s or Typhoons because there due to brotherly relations both the sides give their best.

How exactly was India SU-30 a Nato compatable equipment? They did participate with them in red flag.

These videos will give you an idea how IAF performed when their jets were not linked with others.

 

[Raider 21]

Israel Air Force to Participate in U.S. Drill Alongside Pakistani, U.A.E. Jets
Israel sending land and air crews, as well as F-16 jets, to Red Flag air-to-air combat exercise at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada.

This is not the first time they've worked together. Back when the first batch of PAF pilots (6 officers) that were converting on the Viper at Hill AFB, they flew in the same squadron with the IDF/AF pilots who were also there for the conversion course. Not sure if the second batch of PAF pilots (4 pilots) worked with any IDF/AF pilots that were present at that time.

 

[tore]

shame for PAF for particapting with an Airforce which is killing Palasteniens regularly

People like you wants to isolate Pakistan . So many muslim countries have diplomatic relation ship with Israel now, Pakistan have no issu with them, its fine PAF is in USA to partisipate in the american exercise.

For you info Pak army will get no weapon from USA if israel protest to USA. So calm down.

Tum jese loog Pakistan ka koi faida nahi kar sakte to nuksaan to na karoo. Aqal istemaal karoo. Begin caring more about Indian occupied Jammu & Kashmir, then others conflict. Arab kick you in back, go to middle east and see youself.

 

[weqi]

GREAT , GREAT ,GREAT LEARNING FOR PAF

shame for PAF for particapting with an Airforce which is killing Palasteniens regularly

PAF WILL LEARN HOW TO AND WHERE TO BITE

 

[litman]

@GiG dear we are allies of NATO and america, take dollars from america, F-16s from america, orders from america, have exercises with america and israel and ask "BARKAT" AND "RAHMAT" FROM ALLAH. isn't it laughable?? Like majority of other nations our whole economic system is based upon interest something so disliked in islam that it is said that such people are at war with Allah and the Prophet SAW. we are already hypocrites of the highest order. there is no doubt in it. we have zero understanding of islam, zero faith in the Quran , we keep Allah in mosque and and bow to so many gods of this world. now probably i will receive heavy flak but i have done my job. spread the message.

 

[Super Falcon]

Fact is Israeli copy of F 16 soufa is more superior than our F 16 blk 52 due to its radar and it's special air to air missile like Python and rafale

 

[PakEye]

I once worked with an Israeli guy, in fact he was our crew chief, he had done marines service in Israel, he would often ask me that why the relations between Israel and Pakistan are strained since there's no conflict between the two....one thing for sure the Israelis do acknowledge the PAF.

What abou your wishes ?

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

i don't think Pakistan will do joint exercise with the israelis, the news channel is trying to make the news sensational

We need to learn from them.

 

[MadDog]

shame for PAF for particapting with an Airforce which is killing Palasteniens regularly

Migrate to Palestine then , this is the most simplest solution to your problems !!!

 

[DJ_Viper]

Israel Air Force to Participate in U.S. Drill Alongside Pakistani, U.A.E. Jets
Israel sending land and air crews, as well as F-16 jets, to Red Flag air-to-air combat exercise at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada.

Now the results of this exercise would be fun to watch. The USAF, the IAF and the PAF simulated combat......three of the few top air-forces using the -16's with top training, pilots, combat record and the kill ratio.

I guess this time they will be prepared, what to do what not to, Plus unlike Anatolian eagle, IDF can ask US to rigged the field a little for them in role assignment, to reduce their interaction with PAF or to safeguard their techniques.

Really? Allow me to clear this up. If the IAF has decided to face off with the PAF, they won't cheap out. Nor can you do this in an air to air battle. The PAF will fire their simulated missiles and the IAF will fire from their equipment. The results will become available to all of us through different forums. Professional air-forces pride in how they train to fight. I can say that with 100% assurance for the USAF, the IAF and the PAF. The three of these air-forces have shown their combat readiness and professionalism whenever they had to. No doubt.

I think this may be an opportunity to get the PAF and the IAF pilots acquainted with each other. And who knows, like Turkey, Pakistan might be looking into Israeli systems in the near future. If I was to guess, this is more of a let's bring two people together so their pilots can spend time and build respect and courtesy for each other. Meaning future relationships. Never hurts!

 

[Paksanity]

Now the results of this exercise would be fun to watch. The USAF, the IAF and the PAF simulated combat......three of the few top air-forces using the -16's with top training, pilots, combat record and the kill ratio.



Really? Allow me to clear this up. If the IAF has decided to face off with the PAF, they won't cheap out. Nor can you do this in an air to air battle. The PAF will fire their simulated missiles and the IAF will fire from their equipment. The results will become available to all of us through different forums. Professional air-forces pride in how they train to fight. I can say that with 100% assurance for the USAF, the IAF and the PAF. The three of these air-forces have shown their combat readiness and professionalism whenever they had to. No doubt.

I think this may be an opportunity to get the PAF and the IAF pilots acquainted with each other. And who knows, like Turkey, Pakistan might be looking into Israeli systems in the near future. If I was to guess, this is more of a let's bring two people together so their pilots can spend time and build respect and courtesy for each other. Meaning future relationships. Never hurts!

USAF, UAE, Israel and Pakistan- all four maintain a very professional and hard hitting air force. It will be one hell of an experience for everyone. PAF will likely return with a rich experience though I doubt anything will come out in public.

 

[Oldman1]

Whats the point going against the likes of F-22 and F-35 when you wont even see them on your radar. I remember couple of years back there was a similar exercise somewhere in the middleeast and Americans did brought their F-22 while UAE had their most advanced F-16s and Pakistan was flying the F-7s. Both PAF and UAE were not able to spot F-22 and in all engagements the F-22 won.
So from a novice point of view how does it help gain any experience when you cant pickup on your radar and its always a one sided fight?
Another thing how come we never take JF-17 to such exercises. Shouldnt we pitch against the best the world has to offer and see where the shortcomings lie if any. @Windjammer

That is a big problem with the training. Training with planes that cannot be seen. I believe the best way to train with stealth fighters is pretty much turn on their transponders. Or put on Luneburg lens to increase the RCS.

The F-35 has hit another snag — this time because it is just too good

The F-35 has hit yet another snag. During a recent exercise at Mountain Home Air Force Base in Idaho, US Air Force F-35A pilots set out to practice evading surface-to-air missiles, but they could not, because the SAM radars on the ground could not even find the ultra-stealthy planes.

"If they never saw us, they couldn't target us," said Lt. Col. George Watkins, commander of the 34th Fighter Squadron at Hill Air Force Base, Utah, told the Air Force Times.

To participate in the exercise as planned, the F-35As had to turn on their transponders, essentially announcing their presence so the SAM sites could see and engage them.

"We basically told them where we were at and said, 'Hey, try to shoot at us,'" said Watkins.

Had Watkins and crew not turned on their transponders, "most likely we would not have suffered a single loss from any SAM threats while we were training at Mountain Home."

Air Force planners have been counting on the F-35's ability to enter heavily contested airspace unseen by enemy radar and missiles, and the result of this exercise seems to vindicate that strategy, to say the least.

When we go to train, it's really an unfair fight for the guys who are simulating the adversaries," Watkins continued. "We've been amazed by what we can do when we go up against fourth-gen adversaries in our training environment, in the air and on the ground."

The idea that F-35s can enter the most heavily defended air spaces on earth, pass by undetected by SAM sites and radars, and soften up those targets as well as legacy fighters represents the entire reasoning behind the trillion-dollar thrust to get this weapons system in the air.

Watkins said that with just four F-35s, he can "be everywhere and nowhere at the same time because we can cover so much ground with our sensors, so much ground and so much airspace. And the F-15s or F-16s, or whoever is simulating an adversary or red air threat, they have no idea where we're at and they can't see us and they can't target us."

 

[SQ8]

@GiG dear we are allies of NATO and america, take dollars from america, F-16s from america, orders from america, have exercises with america and israel and ask "BARKAT" AND "RAHMAT" FROM ALLAH. isn't it laughable?? Like majority of other nations our whole economic system is based upon interest something so disliked in islam that it is said that such people are at war with Allah and the Prophet SAW. we are already hypocrites of the highest order. there is no doubt in it. we have zero understanding of islam, zero faith in the Quran , we keep Allah in mosque and and bow to so many gods of this world. now probably i will receive heavy flak but i have done my job. spread the message.

Please avoid using the Prophet and god as shoulder for blank firing when you have not read an iota of early Islamic history to justify it. Many weapons, good and other items were bought from the Aws tribe against Mecca; and arms were bought from Meccan trades for the siege of Aws and Khazraj. Weapons which came from Arabian, Persian and even Byzantium sources.

Please stop painting our Prophet as some stupid fool( Astafirullah) who lived in isolation.

 

[RiazHaq]

#Israel Air Force #IAF to participate in #American #RedFlag air-to-air combat drill with #Pakistan #PAF, #UAE AF
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.734899

The Israel Air Force is set to take part in a large-scale aerial exercise in the United States later this month. According to reports, teams from the Pakistani and United Arab Emirates air forces will also be taking part in the Red Flag air-to-air combat exercise in Nevada.
Israel will be sending land and air crews, as well as F-16 fighter jets, to the exercise, which is one of the biggest in the world. Haaretz asked the IDF spokesman to comment on the Israeli military’s policy on training with teams from Pakistan and the U.A.E. – countries Israel has no diplomatic relations with – but received no response.


The IAF has been preparing for the exercise over recent months, including the long-distance flight from Israel to the Nellis Air Force Base in southern Nevada. Flying the F-16s to the United States will require several fueling stops along the way, as well as midair refueling.

The IAF also participated in last year’s exercise, which simulates aerial combat fighting. The participating teams are put in a “blue” team and a “red” team, and these hold dogfights with one another.
Teams from the United States, Israel, Singapore and Jordan took part in last year’s exercise. At the time, it was reported in foreign media outlets that Israeli aircraft even refueled Jordanian jets en route to the United States for the exercise.
An IAF officer who took part in last year’s exercise called it “the biggest and best simulation of war in the world.”


The teams that took part in the exercise practiced intercepting aircraft, attacking targets, rescuing pilots and flying under the threat of anti-aircraft missiles.
The Nellis Air Force Base website didn’t disclose which air forces will be participating in the upcoming exercise. However, aerial enthusiast websites reported that teams from Spain and the U.A.E. will be taking part. Spain’s Ministry of Defense reported that the Spanish Air Force sent teams to the exercise last weekend. Pakistani media outlets also reported that Pakistani F-16s were en route to the United States.
The Aviationist, a website devoted to reports on military aviation, stated that Pakistani F-16s landed in Portugal 10 days ago, on their way to the exercise.