Islam's Golden Age I Abbasid Caliphate

[Mentee]

Though I believe in the supremacy of Nature I would view such a regime with favor.

Until they surrendered to the traditionalist hadees maniacs by initiating mass murder of the Quranists ------- the people responsible for the scientific discoveries, rationale, logic etc.

Win win both for the royalty and the clergy by keeping the masses ignorant and superstitious at large.

 

[jamahir]

We had Islamic philosophers TRANSLATE Greek/Western texts to preserve them, if you did that today, you would immediately be called a western boot licker, if not outright killed.

Eh ? More like one would be declared a "commie" just like the Bhakts declare me a "commie".

Until they surrendered to the traditionalist hadees maniacs by initiating mass murder of the Quranists ------- the people responsible for the scientific discoveries, rationale, logic etc.

Win win both for the royalty and the clergy by keeping the masses ignorant and superstitious at large.

You analyzed correctly, Mentee bhai !

BTW, is it Hadees or Hadeeth ? The former is used by desis but is the latter the correct one ? Not that it matters because those works are fabrications and hear-say that began to be composed more than a hundred years after the death of Hazrat Muhammad. This thread of mine has a Partition-era Indian Quranist. Maybe you know of him.

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[Mentee]

Eh ? More like one would be declared a "commie" just like the Bhakts declare me a "commie".



You analyzed correctly, Mentee bhai !

BTW, is it Hadees or Hadeeth ? The former is used by desis but is the latter the correct one ? Not that it matters because those works are fabrications and hear-say that began to be composed more than a hundred years after the death of Hazrat Muhammad. This thread of mine has a Partition-era Indian Quranist. Maybe you know of him.

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Th and ees gives the same Arabic pronunciation but th is proper however i feel comfortable using ees

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

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Though I believe in the supremacy of Nature I would view such a regime with favor.



Who do you mean ?



If you mean Mr. @Ikbal he is @MultaniGuy.

If you mean beard maybe it was cultural and not Islamic. Maybe Greek influence or Jewish or ancient West Asian. Below is from Indus Valley and the settlers were said to be from Iraq region :

Listen you hypocritical heretic, you don't recognize the contribution of Muslim scientists, and yet you try disparage Muslims by showing pictures which do not show the whole story.

 

[Mentee]

Eh ? More like one would be declared a "commie" just like the Bhakts declare me a "commie".



You analyzed correctly, Mentee bhai !

BTW, is it Hadees or Hadeeth ? The former is used by desis but is the latter the correct one ? Not that it matters because those works are fabrications and hear-say that began to be composed more than a hundred years after the death of Hazrat Muhammad. This thread of mine has a Partition-era Indian Quranist. Maybe you know of him.

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Ubaidullah sindhi seems to fall into the rationalist category, which is commendable. However things have excelled at a rapid pace since then and there are multiple scholars reaching out to the humanity -------.

Listen you hypocritical heretic, you don't recognize the contribution of Muslim scientists, and yet you try disparage Muslims by showing pictures which do not show the whole story.

@waz @The Eagle plz do the needful

 

[jamahir]

Ubaidullah sindhi seems to fall into the rationalist category, which is commendable.

Him and Ghulam Ahmed Parvez.

However things have excelled at a rapid pace since then and there are multiple scholars reaching out to the humanity -------.

True.

 

[Foinikas]

During the Golden age of Islam there was freedom of thought, freedom of conviction, freedom of knowledge, and freedom from Mullah Mobs.
There was no such thing as "Haram knowledge" or "Western bootlickers"
This was a later invention that is used by the "Ultra Orthodox" to keep modern Muslim ignorant and servile.
We had Islamic philosophers TRANSLATE Greek/Western texts to preserve them, if you did that today, you would immediately be called a western boot licker, if not outright killed.
We has Islamic philosophers who literally debated Allah, his nature, even if he existed.... could you imagine doing that today?

That.

 

[CLUMSY]

But you dearly hold to your heart the Holy "Islamic" Mujahids, the Taliban, and support them in word. So why don't you go there ?



Is that your takia kalaam ?



And what does have to do with your heroes, the Taliban ?



Yes, it is beautiful.

But your current "Muslim" civilization is this fellow who wants to do auction of extra electricity. Something which should be given to the local community without exchange of money. He wants people to make money from someone's critical need :

And your current "Muslim" civilization is this girls who hates herself for being born female and wishes to cover herself to hide her femaleness :

His Holiness Ahmed Deedat be praised.

Whats wrong with putting a price on electricity?

 

[jamahir]

Whats wrong with putting a price on electricity?

Electricity should be free, as should be food, housing, water, healthcare, education. In fact money should be abolished.

Making profit from someone's critical need is evil. People die of illness in the Capitalist Bloc or suffer for years not because the technical treatment isn't there but they don't have the money to pay to the extortionary hospital. Is that good ?

From Muammar Gaddafi's Green Book :

The final step is for the new socialist society to reach a stage in which profit and money disappear. Society will become fully productive; the material needs of society will be met. In this final stage, profit will disappear, as will the need for money.

The recognition of profit is an acknowledgment of exploitation, for profit has no limit. Attempts so far to limit profit by various means have been reformative, not radical, intending to prohibit exploitation of man by man. The final solution lies in eradicating profit, but because profit is the dynamic force behind the economic process, eliminating profit is not a matter of decree but, rather, an outcome of the evolving socialist process. This solution can be attained when the material satisfaction of the needs of society and its members is achieved. Work to increase profit will itself lead to its final eradication.

 

[Kambojaric]

What almost every Muslim does not seem to understand is WHY the golden age was golden.
During the Golden age of Islam there was freedom of thought, freedom of conviction, freedom of knowledge, and freedom from Mullah Mobs.
There was no such thing as "Haram knowledge" or "Western bootlickers"
This was a later invention that is used by the "Ultra Orthodox" to keep modern Muslim ignorant and servile.
We had Islamic philosophers TRANSLATE Greek/Western texts to preserve them, if you did that today, you would immediately be called a western boot licker, if not outright killed.
We has Islamic philosophers who literally debated Allah, his nature, even if he existed.... could you imagine doing that today? Oh buy, the butt hurt mullahs would outright murder you.
The ultimate Irony of all of this is that the Children of the Islamic Golden age are the West, not us. They took our openness to knowledge and tolerance of differences and created the modern world.
We... well we created "conservatives Islam" and here we are... living a miserable existence, begging to live in the west, while at the same time HATING them.

We will forever be slaves to the west if we don't rein in our mullah mobs and conservative Muslims. Once they are put in check, we will be given the freedoms that the Golden Age of Islam game and thus become a great civilization again.

Spot on. Place a random Pakistani next to their much beloved Golden Age era counterparts like a Mu'tazilite , and see the fatwas of being kuffar fly left and right.

We have an obsession of only focusing on their scientific achievements but the Abbasid despite their many autocratic flaws were inspirational when it came to promoting the arts (1001 nights), music (sister of Harun ur Rashid was a great singer Ulayya bint al-Mahdi) and hygiene (Ziryab invented or at least popularized deodorant). The point is the scientific achievements did not just emerge out of nowhere but were a consequence of the existence of a society where moderation, tolerance and personal development were emphasised and encouraged.

 

[El Sidd]

In the 8th century Middle East, a new dynasty seized control of one of the world’s greatest empires – the Islamic Caliphate. Though little remembered in the West today, the Abbasids reigned for five centuries. They oversaw an era of Islamic military dominance... city-building… brilliant scholarship, and technological innovation. It has come to be remembered as Islam’s ‘golden age’. This is the story of the Abbasid Caliphate.

Islam is a religion. She should not be judged on material occurrences of civilisational evolution.

It may not be a far fetched opinion that although there is no concept of the ages in Islam, we all are living in the age of Islam ever since her inception and till decreed completion.

 

[El Sidd]

What almost every Muslim does not seem to understand is WHY the golden age was golden.
During the Golden age of Islam there was freedom of thought, freedom of conviction, freedom of knowledge, and freedom from Mullah Mobs.
There was no such thing as "Haram knowledge" or "Western bootlickers"
This was a later invention that is used by the "Ultra Orthodox" to keep modern Muslim ignorant and servile.
We had Islamic philosophers TRANSLATE Greek/Western texts to preserve them, if you did that today, you would immediately be called a western boot licker, if not outright killed.
We has Islamic philosophers who literally debated Allah, his nature, even if he existed.... could you imagine doing that today? Oh buy, the butt hurt mullahs would outright murder you.
The ultimate Irony of all of this is that the Children of the Islamic Golden age are the West, not us. They took our openness to knowledge and tolerance of differences and created the modern world.
We... well we created "conservatives Islam" and here we are... living a miserable existence, begging to live in the west, while at the same time HATING them.

We will forever be slaves to the west if we don't rein in our mullah mobs and conservative Muslims. Once they are put in check, we will be given the freedoms that the Golden Age of Islam game and thus become a great civilization again.

Mullah is the only thing keeping you from replicating the horrors of the Ummayad and Abbasid dynasties. Even back then the same accursed Mullahs were resisting these dynasties.

Way to be thankless like the rust.

 

[dexter]

Osprey Publishing books on military forces of the Caliphate:
: Armies of the Muslim Conquest https://geni.us/JvpU
The Armies of Islam 7th-11th Centuries https://geni.us/sUtl
Armies of the Caliphates 862-1098 https://geni.us/Al8Zqc
Mounted Archers of the Steppe 600 BC–AD 1300 https://geni.us/rFGQMA
Saracen Faris AD 1050–1250 https://geni.us/gQEf

Some recommended reading provided by Prof. Borrut for those wishing to know about the Abbasids:
A recent & comprehensive overview of Abbasid Baghdad and Abbasid culture: Emily Selove, Baghdad at the Centre of a World, 8th-13th Century: An Introductory Textbook https://geni.us/azaQYjx
The funniest (and excellent) introduction to the topic (comic book): Emily Selove, Popeye and Curly: 120 Days in Medieval Baghdad https://geni.us/Zc21
The most accessible narrative on the Abbasid dynasty: Hugh Kennedy, When Baghdad Ruled the Muslim World: The Rise and Fall of Islam’s Greatest Dynasty https://geni.us/4rLuFJR To move away from the aura of masculinity surrounding the period: Nadia Maria El Cheikh, Women, Islam, and Abbasid Identity https://geni.us/9Bau
An excellent biography of a major Abbasid caliph: Michael Cooperson, Al-Ma’mun https://geni.us/atCwQo Many more excellent biographies in the same series, “Makers of the Muslim World”: https://www.simonandschuster.com/seri...
A thought-provoking discussion of the making of a discrete Muslim identity in pre-Abbasid times: Fred M. Donner, Muhammad and the Believers: At the Origins of Islam https://geni.us/FKXa