Islamophobia: Tony Abbott urged to speak out against attacks on Muslims

[scorpionx]

bro,fear will take its own course,,,u can do nothing about it.

do u think Pakistan is fighting terrorism out of respect for humanity/greater good??
again FEAR

I did not say that halu.No great power fought ever for ideologies. Other side of protector of human liberty (the West) was a capitalist, other sides of champion of equality (the Soviets) were tyranny and fascism. Its only self preservation that defines policies.

 

[zangazanga]

Oh, we want to be going back in time hey? Do you want to start talking about Islamic conquests?

The indigenous people in Australia today are well looked after with incredible amounts of free government money.

Once again, nobody cares. Until Islam reforms itself, this is going to be the case.

"Islamic" conquests didn't wipe out anyone, "Christian" conquests wiped out Native populations in the Americas and in Australia and implemented apartheid in my country and stole my land.

Aboriginals are not well looked after,money won't bring their dignity and humiliation back, but that's another debate, Australia should fix itself if it really wants to fix Iraq.

 

[halupridol]

I did not say that halu.No great power fought ever for ideologies. Other side of protector of human liberty (the West) was a capitalist, other sides of champion of equality (the Soviets) were tyranny and fascism. Its only self preservation that defines policies.

exactly what Australia is doing.nothing new,just acting before sh#t hits the fan

 

[zangazanga]

I am talking about the silent majority. Tell me one muslim organization ( not country ) who supports non-muslims and raise their cause and stand by them ? Not articles, I need proof. I can show you many non-muslim organizatiuons. But show me one.

I don't understand your question, can you name a non-Muslim (preferably hindu, jewish or christian) one which supports muslims to raise their cause and stand by so I can use that as a template to answer your question?

 

[Biplab Bijay]

History is ridden with crimes, can't mention what was done to you by 1 community, i'm sure Hindus have done the same to others, am I wrong?

Hindus are nationalists, they don't need to be global, terrorism is used for fear and propaganda, a david and goliath thing, AQ, ISIS and their supporters can be wiped out by the US in 1 go, they are not a threat to the US domestic security, Drug cartels are more dangerous to US than ISIS and AQ, if we're to be perfectly honest, ISIS, AQ are more dangerous to Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria etc. they are global in the sense that they can generate fear through their sophisticated propaganda machine even you can create a bomb which would kill dozens of people.

In your first para you are wrong. If you see the history you will not find any arab invasion or iran invasion or ME invasion by Hindus. But you can find a reverse thing. Also it would have been ok because lots of invaders were there in history. The second part is more pathetic. These invaders who were muslims started persecuting these hindus because of their faith. Forceful conversions, ethnic cleansing were started at that time. There places of worship were destroyed too. You can not find the reverse thing by hindus in History. The worse thing is the modern day muslims take pride of these things and associate these things with their religion. They worship these invaders as heros and refer them as Sword of Islam. Note only that they always say that they want to do this even today and majority also support them silently. Now tell me how muslims would have felt if it is done to them by hindus?

Your second para is ok. But it did not answer my questions.

I don't understand your question, can you name a non-Muslim (preferably hindu, jewish or christian) one which supports muslims to raise their cause and stand by so I can use that as a template to answer your question?

Yes I can show you an Hindu organization who stands for everyone. I can show you a Christian organization who supports everyone.

Missionaries of Charity : A Christian organization who helped everyone. They helped my priest too.
And even the so called terrorist VHP and RSS have helped muslims in J & K in Kashmir. I think you know Arundhati Roy and Teesta Seetalvad.

 

[Murat Sulemaniyyeh]

... These invaders who were muslims started persecuting these hindus because of their faith. Forceful conversions, ethnic cleansing were started at that time...

Your distortion of history is absolutely astounding. It is no surprise because you are using this same imagined history to push for the support of the murder, oppression, and abuse of Muslims in the modern era.

My ancestors were pagans, but we converted to Islam of our own free will seeing monotheism as the obvious spiritual truth rather than the worship of little 'gods' made of rocks, wood, and things lying on the side of the road.

Muslims are here to stay, and you Indians should learn to accept that fact. There are 200 million Muslims in India. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kashmir, and Bangladesh are not going to change their religion because you don't like it.

 

[kbd-raaf]

"Islamic" conquests didn't wipe out anyone, "Christian" conquests wiped out Native populations in the Americas and in Australia and implemented apartheid in my country and stole my land.

Lol wut?

 

[zangazanga]

In your first para you are wrong. If you see the history you will not find any arab invasion or iran invasion or ME invasion by Hindus. But you can find a reverse thing. Also it would have been ok because lots of invaders were there in history. The second part is more pathetic. These invaders who were muslims started persecuting these hindus because of their faith. Forceful conversions, ethnic cleansing were started at that time. There places of worship were destroyed too. You can not find the reverse thing by hindus in History. The worse thing is the modern day muslims take pride of these things and associate these things with their religion. They worship these invaders as heros and refer them as Sword of Islam. Note only that they always say that they want to do this even today and majority also support them silently. Now tell me how muslims would have felt if it is done to them by hindus?

Your second para is ok. But it did not answer my questions.

That is because the hindus didn't have the capabilities, the arabs and persians have been powerful even before islam, even if they were not muslims one way or the other they would have made a conquest towards hindu empires, throughout history though the arabs, persians and hindus had respect for each other and exchanged knowledge and traded, i don't think relations were as bad as some reported, even the hindus conquered non-Hindu land, let's be honest and fair though, Americans take pride in their history, in Columbus, George washington etc., Australians take pride in their history, the British are proud of their empire, what is wrong with being proud of the Mughal empire? aren't hindus proud of their empires? india is part of the commonwealth despite what the british empire did to India, maybe hindus in general should still not hold the hatred from centuries ago the world was different back then, Indians are related, there are no Arabs or Persians in India, in fact Indians are more tolerant towards the Farsi (non-Muslims) who are of persian descent than muslims who have hindu blood, where is the logic?

Lol wut?

Prove me wrong, which population is nearly extinct because of these conquests in comparison to native Americans and Aboriginals.

Yes I can show you an Hindu organization who stands for everyone. I can show you a Christian organization who supports everyone.

Missionaries of Charity : A Christian organization who helped everyone. They helped my priest too.
And even the so called terrorist VHP and RSS have helped muslims in J & K in Kashmir. I think you know Arundhati Roy and Teesta Seetalvad.

Gift of the givers is a muslim organization which helps everyone, same for Islamic relief, Zakat foundation and many more, when the church collapsed in Nigeria, gift of the givers were the first organization on the scene

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Your distortion of history is absolutely astounding. It is no surprise because you are using this same imagined history to push for the support of the murder, oppression, and abuse of Muslims in the modern era.

My ancestors were pagans, but we converted to Islam of our own free will seeing monotheism as the obvious spiritual truth rather than the worship of little 'gods' made of rocks, wood, and things lying on the side of the road.

Muslims are here to stay, and you Indians should learn to accept that fact. There are 200 million Muslims in India. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kashmir, and Bangladesh are not going to change their religion because you don't like it.

I know the history. I know what had happened.

1. Ghori, Ghajnawi were invaders : true
2. Destruction of Somnath temple : true
3. They invaded our land true :

And for the glorification of these invaders, you can refer to the names of your missiles.

Of course muslims are here to stay. Also they will stay in Australia. I was just answering why this is happening to Australia.

Now regarding your ancestors , I can say my ancestors were Killed because they did not accept Islam to be the truth.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

That is because the hindus didn't have the capabilities, the arabs and persians have been powerful even before islam, even if they were not muslims one way or the other they would have made a conquest towards hindu empires, throughout history though the arabs, persians and hindus had respect for each other and exchanged knowledge and traded, i don't think relations were as bad as some reported, even the hindus conquered non-Hindu land, let's be honest and fair though, Americans take pride in their history, in Columbus, George washington etc., Australians take pride in their history, the British are proud of their empire, what is wrong with being proud of the Mughal empire? aren't hindus proud of their empires? india is part of the commonwealth despite what the british empire did to India, maybe hindus in general should still not hold the hatred from centuries ago the world was different back then, Indians are related, there are no Arabs or Persians in India, in fact Indians are more tolerant towards the Farsi (non-Muslims) who are of persian descent than muslims who have hindu blood, where is the logic?



Prove me wrong, which population is nearly extinct because of these conquests in comparison to native Americans and Aboriginals.



Gift of the givers is a muslim organization which helps everyone, same for Islamic relief, Zakat foundation and many more

No. you did not get my point. I have not seen any Christian invasions. Refer to my third and fourth point. But glorifying these invaders these modern days, Justifying their actions today and and associating them with faith , what do you say about that ? And I do not take pride of Mughals.

 

[Murat Sulemaniyyeh]

Now regarding your ancestors , I can say my ancestors were Killed because they did not accept Islam to be the truth.

Keep debating history all you like, You are just a bigoted troll. Pakistan was formed due to people like you. Our understanding of history and yours will never be the same. That's the 2 nation theory. Thanks for proving it.

Don't justify the murder, abuse, and hatred of Muslims today due to some imaginary past you concocted. Don't forget you are also alive after 1,000 years of Muslim rule, so your ancestors were not killed. Unless you don't actually exist. There is your logical fallacy. Enjoy.

 

[zangazanga]

No. you did not get my point. I have not seen any Christian invasions. Refer to my third and fourth point. But glorifying these invaders these modern days, Justifying their actions today and and associating them with faith , what do you say about that ? And I do not take pride of Mughals.

You have not seen Christian invaders where? in India? where the British pagans or Muslims? you are in the commonwealth my friend, and I don't think you have a problem with that, don't cherry pick to suit your agenda, Americans, Europeans etc. are proud of their history, they are proud of their empires which have done worse things to everyone throughout history.

 

[Murat Sulemaniyyeh]

Thats all cool, but I wonder who is going to urge Muslims to treat non-Muslims with respect in their own countries where they are majority? Every single Muslim majority country calls itself an Islamic Republic.

Give respect to get respect. Muslims dont give respect to others, so they dont get respected. And they wont be respected until they learn to respect and treat other religions with respect.

Try visiting a Muslim country for once. Plenty of your countrymen come to Pakistan yearly. They have a splendid time.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Keep debating history all you like, You are just a bigoted troll. Pakistan was formed due to people like you. Our understanding of history and yours will never be the same. That's the 2 nation theory. Thanks for proving it.

Don't justify the murder, abuse, and hatred of Muslims today due to some imaginary past you concocted. Don't forget you are also alive after 1,000 years of Muslim rule, so your ancestors were not killed. Unless you don't actually exist. There is your logical fallacy. Enjoy.

Actually I wanted to hear this. Same or different , It does not matter. I just wanted to know that whether you think Ghori, Ghaznawi etc were Invaders or not. I got the answer. And regarding ancestors, you know what I wanted to say. Ancestors were not wiped out but killed. Some escaped.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

You have not seen Christian invaders where? in India? where the British pagans or Muslims? you are in the commonwealth my friend, and I don't think you have a problem with that, don't cherry pick to suit your agenda, Americans, Europeans etc. are proud of their history, they are proud of their empires which have done worse things to everyone throughout history.

Did they converted Hindus forcefully in the name of faith? Did they destroyed temples in The name of faith ? Are they glorifying it by saying we will do it again in the name of Christianity ?