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You want an ignorant guy with no substantial knowledge to google stuff for you?

Anyways try googling ifitkaruddin, akbar khan, shaukat hayat and see what you can find.

Also read gracey's accounts, then pak army chief, and guy called cunningham who narrated forst hand how jinnah asked not to be told of specifics.

Also when you get time read stimsoms biok on kashmir, although I am sure you must have already read it since an ignorant guy like me managed to find time for it.

Also to my ignorant knowledge, nobody from indian gov or UN investigated jinnahs involvement, quit posting random statements or asking me to prove negatives.

Now you are more than welcome to call me ignorant troll or watever you feel like, and carry on your educated debates thats fine with me.

Hold your horses dear !!

This thread is about "Islamization of Jinnah"

Now open a new thread and tell us more about Jinnah`s alleged involvement in "raping" India & Kashmir

I am sure you Indians know more about Jinnah than us Pakistanis !!!
 
Well I was responding to the other guy who assumed I was ignorant by his standards.

I am not interested in Ninnahs political or religious leanings, you pakistanis can have all of him.

All I am concerned about is his short sightedness on Kashmir that caused kashmiris endless suffering with no solution in sight.
 
In fact Jinnah and Mullahs were diametrically opposed in opinions regarding interpretation of Islam . It does not matter if Jinnah`s understanding of Islam was right or not , what matters here is "what was Jinnah`s interpretation of Islam" .. ??
Whenever Jinnah talked about Islam , he did not mean "Islam" in the sense the Mullahs define it , Jinnah believed in the Islam which was compatible with the modern world . The conservatives always quote his speeches when he has talked about Islam and then very conveniently replace his definition of Islam with their own . Hence giving Jinnah a "hypocrite" image !! (and all the confusion) . I am trying to collect all the available material on this subject and will post it here IA



And why would Jinnah`s official biographer hate him ?? :disagree:

Obviously you haven't read G.Allana Sahab biography about Jinnah then?
 
but in Madinah Jihad was made farz and all those who insulted HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW were wiped out but Kharjis always deny because they are traitors of RASOOL SAW and one of the modern time Kharjis in Abu Juhal Mr many of them were killed in Badar and dumbo two were taken prisoners and they were killed on way back to Madinah I will tell you also their name

Evidence ? You have lied properly , despite having the Hadiths which you believe with all your heart pointing to " killing " during war and not in isolated events for insulting/abusing/criticizing the Prophet . The person sent as a blessing for both worlds never killed people for that nor asked any of his followers to do that . Otherwise , what happened to the Children who pelted Muhammad SAW with stones ? Were they put to death ?
 
Evidence ? You have lied properly , despite having the Hadiths which you believe with all your heart pointing to " killing " during war and not in isolated events for insulting/abusing/criticizing the Prophet . The person sent as a blessing for both worlds never killed people for that nor asked any of his followers to do that . Otherwise , what happened to the Children who pelted Muhammad SAW with stones ? Were they put to death ?
Mr the person send of blessing of both worlds fought 27 wars Sir and send 80 other missions Sir and first 3 were only defensive all others were offensive wars Muslims attacked first Mr mercy for those who deserve it not for those who keep hurting RASOOL SAW no mercy for them and I have posted the hadees

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 372:

Narrated Al-Bara:

Allah’s Apostle sent ‘Abdullah bin ‘Atik and ‘Abdullah bin ‘Utba with a group of men to Abu Rafi (to kill him). They proceeded till they approached his castle, whereupon Abdullah bin Atik said to them, “Wait (here), and in the meantime I will go and see.” ‘Abdullah said later on, “I played a trick in order to enter the castle. By chance, they lost a donkey of theirs and came out carrying a flaming light to search for it. I was afraid that they would recognize me, so I covered my head and legs and pretended to answer the call to nature. The gatekeeper called, ‘Whoever wants to come in, should come in before I close the gate.’ So I went in and hid myself in a stall of a donkey near the gate of the castle. They took their supper with Abu Rafi and had a chat till late at night. Then they went back to their homes. When the voices vanished and I no longer detected any movement, I came out. I had seen where the gate-

keeper had kept the key of the castle in a hole in the wall. I took it and unlocked the gate of the castle, saying to myself, ‘If these people should notice me, I will run away easily.’ Then I locked all the doors of their houses from outside while they were inside, and ascended to Abu Rafi by a staircase. I saw the house in complete darkness with its light off, and I could not know where the man was. So I called, ‘O Abu Rafi!’ He replied, ‘Who is it?’ I proceeded towards the voice and hit him. He cried loudly but my blow was futile. Then I came to him, pretending to help him, saying with a different tone of my voice, ‘ What is wrong with you, O Abu Rafi?’ He said, ‘Are you not surprised? Woe on your mother! A man has come to me and hit me with a sword!’ So again I aimed at him and hit him, but the blow proved futile again, and on that Abu Rafi cried loudly and his wife got up. I came again and changed my voice as if I were a helper, and found Abu Rafi lying straight on his back, so I drove the sword into his belly and bent on it till I heard the sound of a bone break. Then I came out, filled with astonishment and went to the staircase to descend, but I fell down from it and got my leg dislocated. I bandaged it and went to my companions limping. I said (to them), ‘Go and tell Allah’s Apostle of this good news, but I will not leave (this place) till I hear the news of his (i.e. Abu Rafi’s) death.’ When dawn broke, an announcer of death got over the wall and announced, ‘I convey to you the news of Abu Rafi’s death.’ I got up and proceeded without feeling any pain till I caught up with my companions before they reached the Prophet to whom I conveyed the good news.”

At the conquest of Makkah:

Holy prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) announced general amnesty to all except those who were guilty of blasphemous acts and sacrilegious statements, Ibn e Khatal was one of the convict (Tareekh-e-Tabari Page 104 / History written by Al Tabari) This is evident from the following Hadith.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 582:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, “Ibn e Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka’ba.” The Prophet said, “Kill him.”

Sahih Bukahri Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:

Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Kab said, “By Allah, you will get tired of him!” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food.”

(Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, “Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me.” Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, “What do you want?” Ka’b replied, “Mortgage your women to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the ‘Arabs?” Ka’b said, “Then mortgage your sons to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people’s saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you. “Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab’s foster brother, Abu Na’ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Kab replied, “None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na’ila have come.” His wife said, “I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka’b said. “They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.” Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as ‘Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head.” Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. “have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka’b replied. “I have got the best Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume.” Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka’b “Will you allow me to smell your head?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf.
 
Obviously you haven't read G.Allana Sahab biography about Jinnah then?

Okay , now I know that you haven`t read anything about Jinnah other than scholarship which stems from Pakistan and avoids slightest of criticism on Jinnah . Nearly every book about Jinnah outside Pakistan mentions that he drank alcohol , ate pork etc. but this is omitted from books inside Pakistan. Depicting the Quaid drinking alcohol would weaken Jinnah's Islamic identity, and by extension, Pakistan's. !!!

And it is not your fault . By the time you were born , Jinnah had already been "Islamized" by the conservatives . I will give you just one example here

One of the best biographies compiled on Jinnah ever was Jinnah of Pakistan (1982) by Stanley Wolpert . Yes the same Stanley whose words are quoted quite often :

"Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Fewer still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited with creating a nation-state. Mohammad Ali Jinnah did all three"

Amazingly enough the book got banned in Pakistan. President Zia-ul-Haq, on the other hand, not only wanted the book be published, but he also wanted it to be the core of all undergraduate studies in the Universities across Pakistan. In his mind President Zia could not smudge Jinnah Sahib’s image. So the mention of Jinnah Sahib ‘s indulgence with whiskey and eating forbidden flesh was unacceptable to him. It had to be excluded from the book. He sent Zia Hussain, General Manager of Oxford University Press (Pakistan) - a Publishing house in Karachi. whose parent company in New York had published the biography of the Father of the Nation to meet Mr. Wolpert in US . He had to convince Mr. Stanley Wolpert to expunge a part of Mr. Jinnah’s Life, in order to make him a “True Hero”.

Zia Hussain‘s mission failed. Wolpert didn’t even feel the need to meet Mr. Hussain. His publisher Oxford University Press and Zia Hussain were told firmly and politely that the book was written to document the life of a Great Man. A part of President Zia‘s message contained the temptation of selling millions of copies in Pakistan as it was proposed to be part of a perpetual curriculum of all the Universities in Pakistan. Mr. Wolpert alluded that having written many books, text and otherwise; and being a Professor at Stanford University (He is now Professor Emeritus there), he was financially more than secure and riches were not his goal.
 
Evidence ? You have lied properly , despite having the Hadiths which you believe with all your heart pointing to " killing " during war and not in isolated events for insulting/abusing/criticizing the Prophet . The person sent as a blessing for both worlds never killed people for that nor asked any of his followers to do that . Otherwise , what happened to the Children who pelted Muhammad SAW with stones ? Were they put to death ?
Mr the person send of blessing of both worlds fought 27 wars Sir and send 80 other missions Sir and first 3 were only defensive all others were offensive wars Muslims attacked first Mr mercy for those who deserve it not for those who keep hurting RASOOL SAW no mercy for them and I have posted the hadees

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 372:

Narrated Al-Bara:

Allah’s Apostle sent ‘Abdullah bin ‘Atik and ‘Abdullah bin ‘Utba with a group of men to Abu Rafi (to kill him). They proceeded till they approached his castle, whereupon Abdullah bin Atik said to them, “Wait (here), and in the meantime I will go and see.” ‘Abdullah said later on, “I played a trick in order to enter the castle. By chance, they lost a donkey of theirs and came out carrying a flaming light to search for it. I was afraid that they would recognize me, so I covered my head and legs and pretended to answer the call to nature. The gatekeeper called, ‘Whoever wants to come in, should come in before I close the gate.’ So I went in and hid myself in a stall of a donkey near the gate of the castle. They took their supper with Abu Rafi and had a chat till late at night. Then they went back to their homes. When the voices vanished and I no longer detected any movement, I came out. I had seen where the gate-

keeper had kept the key of the castle in a hole in the wall. I took it and unlocked the gate of the castle, saying to myself, ‘If these people should notice me, I will run away easily.’ Then I locked all the doors of their houses from outside while they were inside, and ascended to Abu Rafi by a staircase. I saw the house in complete darkness with its light off, and I could not know where the man was. So I called, ‘O Abu Rafi!’ He replied, ‘Who is it?’ I proceeded towards the voice and hit him. He cried loudly but my blow was futile. Then I came to him, pretending to help him, saying with a different tone of my voice, ‘ What is wrong with you, O Abu Rafi?’ He said, ‘Are you not surprised? Woe on your mother! A man has come to me and hit me with a sword!’ So again I aimed at him and hit him, but the blow proved futile again, and on that Abu Rafi cried loudly and his wife got up. I came again and changed my voice as if I were a helper, and found Abu Rafi lying straight on his back, so I drove the sword into his belly and bent on it till I heard the sound of a bone break. Then I came out, filled with astonishment and went to the staircase to descend, but I fell down from it and got my leg dislocated. I bandaged it and went to my companions limping. I said (to them), ‘Go and tell Allah’s Apostle of this good news, but I will not leave (this place) till I hear the news of his (i.e. Abu Rafi’s) death.’ When dawn broke, an announcer of death got over the wall and announced, ‘I convey to you the news of Abu Rafi’s death.’ I got up and proceeded without feeling any pain till I caught up with my companions before they reached the Prophet to whom I conveyed the good news.”

At the conquest of Makkah:

Holy prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) announced general amnesty to all except those who were guilty of blasphemous acts and sacrilegious statements, Ibn e Khatal was one of the convict (Tareekh-e-Tabari Page 104 / History written by Al Tabari) This is evident from the following Hadith.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 582:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

On the day of the Conquest, the Prophet entered Mecca, wearing a helmet on his head. When he took it off, a man came and said, “Ibn e Khatal is clinging to the curtain of the Ka’ba.” The Prophet said, “Kill him.”

Sahih Bukahri Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369:

Narrated Jabir bin ‘Abdullah:

Allah’s Apostle said, “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” The Prophet said, “Yes,” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). “The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, “That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you.” On that, Kab said, “By Allah, you will get tired of him!” Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food.”

(Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, “Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me.” Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, “What do you want?” Ka’b replied, “Mortgage your women to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the ‘Arabs?” Ka’b said, “Then mortgage your sons to me.” They said, “How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people’s saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you. “Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab’s foster brother, Abu Na’ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, “Where are you going at this time?” Kab replied, “None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na’ila have come.” His wife said, “I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka’b said. “They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed.” Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as ‘Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, “When Ka’b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head.” Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. “have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka’b replied. “I have got the best Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume.” Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka’b “Will you allow me to smell your head?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka’b again, “Will you let me (smell your head)?” Ka’b said, “Yes.” When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), “Get at him!” So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf.


Interesting !!!
After being exposed on his story about murder of Kaab Ibne Ashraf and 'Uqbah ibn Abi Mu'ayt , Mullah @Zarvan has come up with two more lies :lol:

First one about Abu Rafi Salam Ibnul Hakeem, He was a jew who was killed for helping gather the coalition against the Muslims (like Kaab Bin Ashraf) and not for blasphemy alone as Zarvan is trying to claim here :

AhmadJibril.com



And second one is a story about murder of Ibn e Khatal for blasphemy while he was hiding behind Ghalaf e Ka`ba
And guess what , it is from "Tareek e Tabari" !!! Yes the same tabari which Mullahs say is a "Shia" history book .(no need to go in details of this story) Tabari tells us that "Umar r.a ran away in Ghazwa e Uhud like a goat" (no surprise that Tabari is considered Shia by Mullahs) .... Hypocrisy of Mullah Zarvan is amazing , !!



No doubt the Mullahs are biggest hypocrites . Majlis-e Ahrar-e Islam (A deoband party ; the mother of all terrorism) was a "Secular Nationalist Party" , and today these Mullahs say that Secularism is Kufr !!! :cheers:
 
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Interesting !!!
After being exposed on his story about murder of Kaab Ibne Ashraf and 'Uqbah ibn Abi Mu'ayt , Mullah @Zarvan has come up with two more lies :lol:

First one about Abu Rafi Salam Ibnul Hakeem, He was a jew who was killed for helping gather the coalition against the Muslims (like Kaab Bin Ashraf) and not for blasphemy alone as Zarvan is trying to claim here :

AhmadJibril.com



And second one is a story about murder of Ibn e Khatal for blasphemy while he was hiding behind Ghalaf e Ka`ba
And guess what , it is from "Tareek e Tabari" !!! Yes the same tabari which Mullahs say is a "Shia" history book .(no need to go in details of this story) Tabari tells us that "Umar r.a ran away in Ghazwa e Uhud like a goat" (no surprise that Tabari is considered Shia by Mullahs) .... Hypocrisy of Mullah Zarvan is amazing , !!



No doubt the Mullahs are biggest hypocrites . Majlis-e Ahrar-e Islam (A deoband party ; the mother of all terrorism) was a "Secular Nationalist Party" , and today these Mullahs say that Secularism is Kufr !!! :cheers:
Mr I was not exposed on any of them two prisoners were killed on way back to Madinah on order of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW by Hazrat ALI RA and Kaab was mainly killed because he used to abuse HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW when HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW send sahabas to kill him he said he has disturbed me a lot no Muslims Mr so you stop lying Kharji and stop being hypocrite and stop using Hadees to answer me back when you deny Hadees you are worst than Abu Juhal famous kharjis deniars of Hades dumbo and liar its not from Tareekh Tabari Mr so lying you kharji

On their way back to Madinah, at a large sand hill, the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallamdivided the spoils equally among the fighters after he had taken al-khums (one-fifth). When they reached as-Safra', he ordered that two of the prisoners should be killed. They were an-Nadr ibn al-Harith and 'Uqbah ibn Abi Mu'ayt, because they had persecuted the Muslims in Makkah, and harboured deep hatred towards Allah and His Messengersallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam. In a nutshell, they were criminals of war in modern terminology, and their execution was an awesome lesson to oppressors. 'Uqbah forgot his pride and cried out, "Who will look after my children O Messenger of Allah?" The Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam answered, "The Fire (of Hell)." Did 'Uqbah not remember the day when he had thrown the entrails of a sheep onto the head of the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallamwhile he was prostrating himself in prayer, and Fatimah had come and washed it off him? He had also strangled the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam with his cloak if it had not been for Abu Bakr to intervene and release the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam. The heads of both criminals were struck off by 'Ali ibn Abi Talib.

The Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam exhorted the Muslims to treat the prisoners so well to such an extent that the captors used to give the captives their bread (the more valued part of the meal) and keep the dates for themselves.

Prisoners of war constituted a problem awaiting resolution because it was a new phenomenon in the history of Islam. The Prophetsallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam consulted Abu Bakr and 'Umar ibn al-Khattab as to what he should do with the prisoners. Abu Bakr suggested that he should ransom them, explaining this by saying: "They are after all our relatives, and this money would give us strength against the disbelievers, moreover, Allah could guide them to Islam." 'Umar advised killing them, saying, "They are the leaders of kufr(disbelief)." The Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam preferred Abu Bakr's suggestion to that of 'Umar's. The following day, 'Umar called on the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam and Abu Bakr to see them weeping. He showed extreme astonishment and inquired about the situation so that he might weep if it was worth weeping for, or else he would feign weeping.

"It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allah desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise. Were it not a previous ordainment from Allah, a severe torment would have touched you for what you took." [Al-Qur'an 8:67-68]

The previous Divine ordainment went as follows:

"Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom) or ransom." [Al-Qur'an 47:4]]

Which included an area providing permission to take ransom, that is why no penalty was imposed. They were rebuked only for taking prisoners before subduing all the land of disbelief. Apart from this, the polytheists taken to Madinah were not only prisoners of war but rather archcriminals of war whom modern war penal law brings to justice to receive their due sentence of death or prison for life.

The ransom for the prisoners ranged between 4000 and 1000 dirhams in accordance with the captive's financial situation. Another form of ransom assumed an educational dimension; most of the Makkans, unlike the Madinese, were literate and so each prisoner who could not afford the ransom was entrusted with ten children to teach them the art of writing and reading. Once the child had been proficient enough, the instructor would be set free. Another clan of prisoners were released unransomed on grounds of being hard up. Zaynab, the daughter of the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, paid the ransom of her husband Abul-'As with a necklace. The Muslims released her prisoner and returned the necklace in deference to the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam but on condition that Abul-'As allow Zaynab to migrate to Madinah, which he actually did.

In captivity, there was also an eloquent orator called Suhayl ibn 'Amr. 'Umar suggested that they pull out his front teeth to disable him from speaking, but the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam turned down his suggestion for fear Quraysh should retaliate in the same manner on one hand, and on the other for fear of Allah's Wrath on the Day of Resurrection.

Sa'd ibn an-Nu'man, a lesser pilgrim detained in Makkah, was released in return for setting Abu Sufyan's son, a captive, free.

The Story of the 600-700 Jews Beheaded by the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam at Banu Qurayzah in 5H
The Banu Qurayzah was a tribe of Jews in a district of Madinah that betrayed the Muslims and sided with the enemy during the Battle ofAhzab (also known as the Battle of the Confederates and the Battle of the Trench). The Sealed Nectar describes what happened to them immediately after the Battle of Ahzab:

Archangel Gabriel, on the very day the Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam came back to Madinah after the previous battle, and while he was washing in 'Umm Salamah's house, visited him asking that he should unsheathe his sword and head for the habitation of the seditious Banu Qurayzah nd fight them. Gabriel noted that he with a procession of angels would go ahead to shake their forts and cast fear in their hearts.

The Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, immediately summoned the prayer caller and ordered him to announce fresh hostilities against Banu Qurazyah, institued Ibn 'Umm Makhtum as a ruler of Madinah, and entrusted the banner of war to 'Ali ibn Abi Talib who marched towards the appointed target and came close enough to hear the Jews abusing the Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, who on his part set out at the head of three thousand infantry men and thirty horsemen of Ansar (Helpers) andMuhajirin (Emigrants). On their way to encounter the enemy, the afternoon prayer was due. Some Muslims refused to observe it until they had defeated the enemy, while others offered it in its proper time, as usual. The Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam objected to neither. When they reached the habitations of Banu Qurayzah, they laid tight siege to their forts. Seeing this terrible situation they were in, the chief of the Jews Ka'b bin Asad offered them three alternatives: to embrace Islam, and consequently their life, wealth, women and children would be in full security, and reminded them that such behaviour would not be incongruous with what they had read in their books about the veracity of Muhammad's Prophethood; to kill their children and women and then challenge the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam and his followers to the sword to either exterminate the Muslims or be exterminated, or as a third possibility to take Muhammad sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam and his people by surprise on Saturday - a day mutually understood to witness no fighting.

None of those alternatives appealed them, so their chief, angrily and indignantly, turned to them saying: "You have never been decisive in decision-making since you were born." The gloomy future already visible, they made contacts with some Muslims, who had maintained good relation with them, in order to learn about their fate in the light of the current circumstances. They requested that Abu Lubaba be despatched to them for advice. On his arrival, the men began to implore, women and children to cry desperately. In answer to their demand for advice he pointed to his throat saying it was homicide awaiting them. He then immediately realized that he had betrayed the Prophet's trust, so he headed directly for the mosque in Madinah and tied himself to a wooden tall pole swearing that no one would untie him save the Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, and added that he would never enter the habitation ofBanu Qurayzah in recompense for the deadly mistake he made. When the Messenger sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam was informed of this incident, he said, "I would have begged Allah to forgive him if he had asked me, but since he had tied himself out of his own free will, then it was Allah Who would turn to him in forgiveness."

The Jews of Banu Qurayzah could have endured the siege much longer because food and water were plentifully available and their strongholds were greatly fortified, whereas the Muslims were in the wild bare land suffering a lot from cold and hunger, let alone too much fatigue consequent on endless warfare operations that had started even before the battle of Confederates. Nevertheless, this was a battle of nerves, for Allah had cast fear in the the Jews' hearts, and their morale had almost collapsed especially when two Muslim heroes, 'Ali ibn Abi Talib and az-Zubayr ibn a'-'Awwam proceeded with 'Ali swearing that he would never stop until he had either stormed their garrisons or been martyred like Hamzah (a former Muslim martyr).

In the light of this reluctance, they had nothing except to comply with the Messenger's judgement. The Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam ordered that the men should be handcuffed, and this was done under the supervision of Muhammad ibn Salamah al-Ansari while the women and children were isolated in confinement. Thereupon al-Aws tribe interceded begging the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam to be lenient toward them. He suggested that Sa'd ibn Mu'adh, a former ally, be deputed to give verdict about them, and they agreed.

Sa'd meanwhile stayed behind in Madinah due to a serious wound he sustained in the Confederates Battle. He was summoned and brought on a donkey. On his way to the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, the Jews used to exhort him to be lenient in his judgement on account of former friendship. Sa'd remained silent but when they persisted he uttered: "It is time for Sa'd not to be afraid of the blame of the blamers." On hearing this decisive attitude, some of them returned to Madinah waiting for a desperate doom.

On arrival, he alighted with the help of some men. He was informed that the Jews had agreed to accept his verdict about them. He immediately wondered if his judgement would pass on all the people present, the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam included, turning his face away in honour of him. The reply was positive.

He decided that all the able-bodied male persons belonging to the tribe should be killed, women and children taken prisoners and their wealth divided among the Muslim fighters. The Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam accepted his judgement saying that Sa'd had adjudged by the Command of Allah. In fact, the Jews deserved that severe punitive action for the ugly treachery they had harboured against Islam, and the large arsenal they have amassed and which consisted of one thousand and five hundred swords, two thousand spears, three hundred armours and five hundred shields, all of which went into the hands of the Muslims. Trenches were dug in the bazar of Madinah and a number of Jews between six and seven hundred were beheaded therein. Hot beds of intrigue and treachery were thus exterminated once and for all..

Huyai, a chief criminal of war, a devil of Bani Nadir and Safiyah's father, had joined the ranks of Banu Qurayzah when Quraysh andGhatfan defected, was admitted into the audience of the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam with his hands tied to his neck with a rope. In audacious defiance, he declared obstinate enmity to the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam but admitted that Allah's Will was to be fulfilled and added that he was resigned to his fate. He was ordered to sit down, and was beheaded on the spot.

Only one woman of the Jews was killed because she had killed a Muslim warrior by flinging a grinding stone upon him. A few elements of the enemy embraced Islam and their lives, wealth and children were spared. As for the spoils of the war, the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam divided them, after putting a fifth aside, in accordance with Allah's injunctions. Three shares went to the horseman and one to the infantry fighter. Women captives were sent to Najd to be bartered with horses and weaponry.

After the war with Banu Qurayzah had been settled and they had been defeated, Sa'd ibn Mu'adh's wish was gratified and he gave his last breath. In response to his supplication 'A'ishah narrated, Sa'd's wounds began to bleed from the front part of his neck while he was in his tent which the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam had pitched for him in the mosque so that he would be in close proximity in order to inquire about and watch his well-being closely. The people were not scared except when the blood flowed towards them, and in the mosque along with Sa'd's tent, there was the tent of Banu Ghifar. They said: O people of the tent, what is it that is coming to us from you? Lo! it was Sa'd's wound that was bleeding and he died thereon.

Jabir narrated that the Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam had said: "The Throne of the Compassionate shook for the death of Sa'd ibn Mu'adh." When his bier was carried, at-Tirmidhi said: The hypocrites alleged it was too light. The Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam retorted: "The angels are carrying him."

In the process of the sieze laid to Banu Qurayzah, one man of the Muslims, Khalid ibn Suwayd was killed when a women of the Jews dropped the grinding stone on him, and another, Abu Sinan ibn Mihsan, the brother of 'Ukashah, died.

Abu Lubaba stayed tied for six nights. His wife used to untie him at prayer times and then he tied himself again to the pole. One early morning, Allah the All-Forgiving revealed a verse to the Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam to the effect that Allah had turned to Abu Lubaba with forgiveness. The Muslims rushed to release him but he insisted that the Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam himself do it. And this was done shortly before the morning prayer.

This military expedition took place in the month of Dhul-Qa'dah in the year five hijri (5H), and the siege of Banu Qurayzah lasted for 25 days. The Chapter of Confederates (Al-Qur'an, Surah 33) was revealed containing Allah's Words concerning the basic issues relating to the believers and hypocrites during the battle of the Confederates, and the consequences of the treachery and breaching of covenants by the Jews.

(s) Excerpt from Ar-Rahiq al-Makhtum
 
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Holy prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) announced general amnesty to all except those who were guilty of blasphemous acts and sacrilegious statements, Ibn e Khatal was one of the convict (Tareekh-e-Tabari Page 104 / History written by Al Tabari

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dumbo and liar its not from Tareekh Tabari Mr so lying you kharji
 
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Mr this is found in Tareekh Ibn Kaseer and Tarkeeh ibn Khaldun too and all major books of Hadees and Seerat two prisoners were killed on way back to Madinah they were the ones who used to put intestines on back of RASOOL SAW when he used to offer Salah in Kaba and when HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW send people to kill Kaab he told them he has given lot of pain to him not Muslims when he sent people to execute him Mr
 
Jinnah wanted a Muslim state, but not a MUSLIM EXTREMIST state
 
Mr this is found in Tareekh Ibn Kaseer and Tarkeeh ibn Khaldun too and all major books of Hadees and Seerat two prisoners were killed on way back to Madinah they were the ones who used to put intestines on back of RASOOL SAW when he used to offer Salah in Kaba and when HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW send people to kill Kaab he told them he has given lot of pain to him not Muslims when he sent people to execute him Mr

Meray bhai they were killed in battle field , and Kaab was not killed for blasphemy . Now open a new thread and we may discuss it there . Stop derailing this thread when you have run out of arguments about "Islam" of Jinnah !!
 
Meray bhai they were killed in battle field , and Kaab was not killed for blasphemy . Now open a new thread and we may discuss it there . Stop derailing this thread when you have run out of arguments about "Islam" of Jinnah !!
They were not killed in Battle field Mr they were killed on way back to Madinah every one agrees only those Kharjis who deny Hadees and are famous enemies of RASOOL SAW Mr than Kaab was killed for Blasphemy yes he was involved in many other things but when RASOOL SAW sent Sahabas he told them he has disturbed me a lot

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Islamization of Jinnah.

There are over 25 Muslim countries in the world who are officially secular . Jinnah`s vision of Pakistan was a progressive Muslim country which would be officially secular .

'officially secular' where are you getting this from?

repeating myself again, Jinnah had dreamed of a country which would live upto:
adopting 'islamic ideals' and moving away from 'economic system of the west' while at the same time ‘evolving banking practices compatible with Islamic ideas of social and economic life

if those 25 Muslim countries fit on this ideal then ill let you have it. otherwise, what you are suggesting is inconsistent with Jinnah's thinking.
 
adopting 'islamic ideals' and moving away from 'economic system of the west' while at the same time ‘evolving banking practices compatible with Islamic ideas of social and economic life’


, what you are suggesting is inconsistent with Jinnah's thinking.

Sir you need to understand one thing here . Jinnah, was an avid member of the Fabian Society in the early 1930s . And his political philosophy was strongly influenced by the Fabian Society . Jinnah`s socialist views were not derived from Islam but Fabianism . Jinnah`s use of word "Islamic Socialism" and his rejection of Russian communism is another debate .

And also Jinnah`s secularism was of the English variety schooled and crafted by British liberalism which was far more tolerant to religion compared to French or Ataturk style secularism . Jinnah believed that Islam was compatible with secular socialist democracy and he stated that on a lot of occasions . At the same time he made it absolutely clear that Pakistan would not be a theocracy and religion is a private matter and state has nothing to do with it .
 
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