Islamisation fears at top Pakistan university

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

To put things in perspective

Saudis itself , has Universities where there are no restrictions on dress code
Generally have not found a line in Qur'an about Hijab, just focus is on being conservative side and modest in dressing.

People after 200-300 years kept making the rules harsher and harsher. Until we reached the present form.

It's truly ridiculous to walk in Pakistani street and then you see Saudi style back robe full gear on

Rules change with time and its about time new rules are introduced to fix this up

Even iran has different interpretation of rules, they just wear a cloth on head etc nothing to over the top

Seems like our folks have taken lesson from Saudis and tried to copy them when in reality Pakistani culture was some what liberal and modest compared to what the trend is now

People used to meet others in old times and get married by looking at each other , with out being able to "see someone" how can you explain certain people in history marrying while working with them in business partnership. Why were ladies engaging in business relation with "na mahram"

Now Some people would even ridicule that women cannot get into business partnership with "na mahram" lol, today people do honor killings if a women goes into business partnership with "na mahram"

Also its point to note that people in old times uses to propose also to widows who clearly they had seen before if every one was in full "gear" I doubt anyone would see and propose.

Most verses only say cover your privates and cover your bosom , with cloth (garment) as people perhaps did not had proper clothes mostly , large robes to wrap around or make , make shift coverings, and try not to stare too much keep you eyes grounded and respectful.

If you logically thing , the garment in those days they had no zippers or buttons they were poor folks so they just had these towel like clothes they wrapped it around or may be put on their head and wrapped the rest around their bodies. Cuz they had no zippers or buttons they were poor , or they too a string and may be formed a belt

I am sure if they had jeans or jackets or stitched leather goods they would prefer to wear that out of comfort and that it covers the private parts. But because they were poor they could only afford linen like clothes which could only be wrapped or wore as a robe

 

[FunkyGen]

Saudi style back robe full gear on

lol gear?

 

[OrionHunter]

"They won't come back for at least 30 minutes and some of them even decide not to return to class," Sajjad Akhtar said, gathering his notes and sitting down to wait for his students to return.

Epic!

Music and movies/TV are also considered as 'unIslamic'. But how come Dhoom 3 is running to packed houses in Pakistan?

The way things are moving, the time may not far when one would get to see these 'call to prayer' breaks even during cricket matches!! Now that would be something!!

 

[SQ8]

No I am not taking the current threat lightly I just don't think that we're pinpointing the reasons behind it as much as we are incessantly bogged down in the many facets of it !

The reason, for the upteenth time, in my humble opinion, for Pakistan's current status is neither the religiosity of the State nor the religiosity of the Society but 'Governance'.....'Governance'.....& more 'Governance' !

For starters I have yet to see the evidence for the 'radicalization' of the population & the reasons presented in your posts nor in the article suffices in the least bit; no amount of religious sensibilities even if it means opposition to certain portions from the curricula is indicative of radicalization ! Parochialism - Yes...but how is that radicalization ? Neither the exclusion of certain genocides in the history of a country in a myriad countries across the world has induced a recurring violent streak within the people who inhabit that country nor has the inclusion of Creationism & other such areas including an opposition to teaching the Reproductive Cycle or giving them Sexual Education has propelled the people who inhabit those areas to bomb the sh*t out of those classes or those who teach them !

Similarly the existence of such social taboos in Pakistan, which by-the-way is present in other countries as well, doesn't indicate that the people are radicalized only that they - like their counterparts in other countries - have issues with certain things being taught or said & that their response to that has been narrow minded & much less than optimal !

Additionally every survey or poll that I've come across points towards a lack of support to severe opposition towards the TTP & the Al-Qaeeda elements within the country & most certainly severe opposition towards their methods !

@Secur - Apnaa @Oscar thanked your post & even rated it whereas mujhee koii lift hiii nahin karvaiiii ?

Pataaa thaaa....he didn't rate my post only because I'm not from the same blood as you two are !

You are judging radicalization on the basis of urbanization and that too of more metro sized areas. Even these areas then can be judged on the basis of rising intolerance over the span of less than 30 years. Curricula is only once facet of this. The radicalization is not a case of direct indoctrination as much as it is a case of Stockholm syndrome. The population initially was afraid of the radicals and showed silence has not started to embrace them in a case of love for the captors.

P.S itni importance na de rating shating ko.. Mein waise bhi aaj kal paise banane mein masroof hoon tu jo saamne aya rating ka haath mar diya.. mubarak ho.. rating ka watercooler aap ka howa

 

[Secur]

Hijab is not a saudi creation its an order of Islam Mr ALLAH has ordered to cover her whole body Mr in front of na mehram men before Islam their was not concept of Pardah in Arabia infact they were famous for doing tawaf of kabah naked

Hijab is a cultural thing rather than religious originating from Arabia , do not begin to mix them both . The only verses in the Qur'an that specifically reference women’s clothing, are those promoting modesty, instructing women to guard their private parts and throw a scarf over their bosoms in the presence of men . Nowhere , is it written to go all " ninja style burqa clad " and become overzealous in following the religion , this I leave to you .

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I only have one account and thats it. Must be some poor TTP supporter on this forum. For few days i have been giving these ttp supporters a good kick on their butt so they are very frustrated with me which was my aim anyway.

But Pakistan is on a different tangent. I recently saw a Halal advertisement about halal car financing. I wanted to kiss on the lips of the person who came up with such Islamic idea.. (man of course cant kiss a girl on the lips because that would be haram)


for die harld "take no prisoners Muslims"

TTP, will introduce
Halal beheading
Halal suicide
Halal raping


for "ordinary" "peace loving" Muslims, Jamat H@rami and JUI will introduce

Halal Farting
Halal protesting
Halal burning of public / private property during protests
Halal Stalking of women
Halal Tax evading (because tax is haram)
Halal Bribing
Halal hoarding
Halal Milawat


and of course Halal flying

 

[pak-marine]

any one here has attended Quaid e Azam university , how is the presence of Jamat e Islami (muslim brotherhood) their

 

[Secur]

any one here has attended Quaid e Azam university , how is the presence of Jamat e Islami (muslim brotherhood) their

This would be an accurate measure of radicalization in that university itself . Lets see how they are operating a " moral police " like they do in Karachi university and assorted others .

 

[HariPrasad]

Indians consider Pakistani UNI grads a risk in international job market, they want to oust them by hook or crook.
Hence they mull this story and use Pakistanis with misplaced loyalties to propagate falsification and in return the writer has been promised either US or UK passport and free cinema tickets for bollywood movies.

Calm Down Guy. You guys are not our competitors. In fact we do not face any competition from any body.

On one side there is India and on Other side whole world.

Nearly half of H1B visa holders are from India: US report

Now give your conspiracy theory a rest.

 

[pak-marine]

This would be an accurate measure of radicalization in that university itself . Lets see how they are operating a " moral police " like they do in Karachi university and assorted others .

here you go to start with old news but some evidence of Jamat i badmashi ::

ISLAMABAD: QAU students for stopping political activities on campus


Published 2003-01-05 00:00:00
ISLAMABAD, Jan 4: The Quaid-i-Azam University students, representing four province-based student councils, have warned the varsity administration to stop providing alleged patronage to Islami Jamiat-i-Tulaba (IJT) on the campus otherwise they will boycott academic activities.

They also threatened not to allow the varsity transport vehicles leave the campus from next week if the administration remained partial in dealing with the student councils.

Speaking at a protest demonstration held on the premises of the university on Saturday, the office bearers of four student councils — Punjab, Mehran, Pakhtoon and Saraiki — lambasted the administration for, what they termed, its undue support to the IJT.

The participants of the demonstration were holding placards inscribed with slogans against the administration and political activities on the campus.

They accused the local Jamaat-i-Islami leadership of interfering in the varsity affairs. They claimed that the IJT, which had never been popular among the QAU students, was trying to establish its stronghold on the campus since the JI won a National Assembly seat from the capital.

The demonstrators accused Mian Mohammad Aslam, MNA from Islamabad, of providing full support, including monetary assistance, to the IJT in establishing its base on the varsity campus on the lines of Punjab University from which most of the JI leadership hailed.

They claimed that Mr Aslam held a meeting with the local IJT activists and devised a strategy regarding its stronghold in the university.

A speaker said with the IJT on the campus, other political student organizations, such as Muslim Students Federation and People Students Federation, would also start their activities in the varsity, interrupting academic activities.

Despite repeated efforts by this reporter on Saturday, Mian Aslam was not available for comments, however, in his earlier statement he had refuted such allegations.

The demonstrators also accused Dr Fayyaz, head of the Biology department, who was also given additional duty as provost, of backing the IJT in the varsity for quite some time.

They said the students had filed several written complaints with the university administration about his (Dr Fayyaz) links with a political party, but to no avail.

They said Dr Fayyaz took prompt action if students, other than IJT activists, were found involved in violating university rules.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

any one here has attended Quaid e Azam university , how is the presence of Jamat e Islami (muslim brotherhood) their

I studied in Islamic University Islamabad and had to go to Quaid e Azam University a lot of times. Jamat Islami and Sipha Sahabah had a very strong presence there in addition to some secular Student organisations.

my university is basically a Jamati Madrassah.

 

[Zarvan]

Hijab is a cultural thing rather than religious originating from Arabia , do not begin to mix them both . The only verses in the Qur'an that specifically reference women’s clothing, are those promoting modesty, instructing women to guard their private parts and throw a scarf over their bosoms in the presence of men . Nowhere , is it written to go all " ninja style burqa clad " and become overzealous in following the religion , this I leave to you .

Hijab is not a cultural thing those who thing are biggest ignorant on the face of the earth Hijab came after order of Islam before Islam their was concept of Hijab in Arabia and Quran and Hadees tell Muslim women to cover her whole body including her face read Surah Noorah and Surah Ahzab and Hadees Mr ALLAH has clearly order women to cover their face in Surah Al Ahzab if you don't know about issue don't talk rather than lying about the Quran and in Islam its always good to be overzealous

 

[Jf Thunder]

What I don't understand is why the calls to prayer are unpredictable for the professors teaching classes. I assume that only a few of the prayer times each day would conflict with normal lecture timings. But aren't the daily times of prayer pretty well established for each week? Why couldn't there be a weekly schedule of school day prayer times that everyone knows about and that the professors plan for by scheduling lecture intermissions appropriately?

there are only five prayers in a day at fixed times

 

[M. Sarmad]

Hijab is not a cultural thing those who thing are biggest ignorant on the face of the earth Hijab came after order of Islam before Islam their was concept of Hijab in Arabia and Quran and Hadees tell Muslim women to cover her whole body including her face read Surah Noorah and Surah Ahzab and Hadees Mr ALLAH has clearly order women to cover their face in Surah Al Ahzab if you don't know about issue don't talk rather than lying about the Quran and in Islam its always good to be overzealous

You think you can get away with your lies ??
Prove from Quran that it is mandatory for a woman to cover her face (use veil) ??

 

[Jf Thunder]

Hijab is not a cultural thing those who thing are biggest ignorant on the face of the earth Hijab came after order of Islam before Islam their was concept of Hijab in Arabia and Quran and Hadees tell Muslim women to cover her whole body including her face read Surah Noorah and Surah Ahzab and Hadees Mr ALLAH has clearly order women to cover their face in Surah Al Ahzab if you don't know about issue don't talk rather than lying about the Quran and in Islam its always good to be overzealous

it is an opinion of mind, well here it is
i think, that the Hijab is to protect them from bad intentions of other people, but if the nation os very pure then they may not have to go ninja style, as u can see there is no punishment for not wearing Hijab, there is punishment for a sin which may arise, so if u think u r good intentioned, i think it doesnt matter if u dont wear it, in my view wearing a dupatta is good enough, (IT IS MY OPINION, MULLAHS DONT BASH ME Please)