Islamabad Dharna 2nd November-News, Updates And Discussions

[PakSword]

last night...Dr Shahid Masood..gave another news too... He seemed confident abt his news...so i am thinking its true...

He said..tht breach of national security is not only confined to tht dawn story scandal... He said with reference tot tht meeting of army chief with CH Nisar, SS, and Ishaq dar....tht theres eveidence of audios, visuals of sensitive matters, going abroad, from PM House..and this is NOT related at all..to tht dawn story...

I have just watched the program. Unfortunately, Dr. Shahid Masood spreads sensationalism. He mixes some false information to raise hopes. I only watch his program when I want to feel good and that's it.

There are no audio or video recordings that aren't related to Dawn news. Such recordings, when exist, are released on internet from anonymous accounts to change public opinion.

There are some evidences that are related to Dawn news though.

So as I stated earlier, it's upto the general public now. These are defining moments as mentioned by khan as well. If he is failed next month, we will have to wait for our next generation to get to the point again where we are standing today. But yes, no help is coming from Army as it is of the view that last time Army's respect was severely hit when Musharaf took over.

Don't be so dishearted. Everything happens for a reason. These firouns have forgotten that there is Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala who is the best of all the planners. But HE doesn't change the condition of a nation if the nation doesn't want to change its condition itself. If a large population wants to live like slaves then what can anyone do other than praying. But I am not losing my hopes because I know Pakistan was formed by Allah swt for a reason. I have complete faith that HE will put courage in our public's heart this time and Khan will succeed, in shaa Allah

 

[Farah Sohail]

So as I stated earlier, it's upto the general public now. These are defining moments as mentioned by khan as well. If he is failed next month, we will have to wait for our next generation to get to the point again where we are standing today. But yes, no help is coming from Army as it is of the view that last time Army's respect was severely hit when Musharaf took over.

Don't be so dishearted. Everything happens for a reason. These firouns have forgotten that there is Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala who is the best of all the planners. But HE doesn't change the condition of a nation if the nation doesn't want to change its condition itself. If a large population wants to live like slaves then what can anyone do other than praying. But I am not losing my hopes because I know Pakistan was formed by Allah swt for a reason. I have complete faith that HE will put courage in our public's heart this time and Khan will succeed, in shaa Allah

Yes...only last hope is from Allah only... I hope first he gives courage to people, to come out, and also helps them to overcome the blockades tht govt has put in place to not let them gather in numbers

@bold... Army's respect was severely hit...in Musharraf's time, because it TOOK OVER...and then, ruled, along with the same politicians, and committed blunders..
Who is asking them, to TAKE OVER, this time? None... Just a little help behind the scenes, and thts it...i strongly believe, tht Martial law is not the solution right now, because then army's officers, when they come on govt positions, indulge in corruption too...and it loses respect.. In the current situation, i think tht the best solution ..is...a civilain( not from politicians) , technocratic setup for few years, with ruthless accountability, with army supporting it behind the sceneswhile focussing on its professional role.... But from such system to come, it would require some manipulation from the army, behind the scenes..so tht we can come to tht..

Whats wrong in it?

Its also a moral obligation of army, to support people to bring change in this system, behind the scenes, because, it is them, who brought this NRO tainted democracy to us.. Gen Mush and Kiyani brought it upon us, along with international establishment and these politicians... So now army must free us, from clutches of NRO, not through direct intervention, but through support from behind the scenes

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

I have been out of the loop for a while, can anyone tell me what this new dharna is about?

After panama leaks and, when P.M his sons and daughter name appeared there, opposition is demanding the receipts of Flats, and properties, because it is believed they either did it from black money ,& corruption. Now, it is need of hour Government must present the proof about details of their properties in london & is legal , chain of transactions but government is not giving this. It is about billion $ worth properties.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Now look closely , they are destroying Motorway and Express way, We agree or disagree Govt(state) should need to have proper mechanism for these type of situations , Blocking + destroying High-Ways just not acceptable .
Major roads leading to Islamabad blocked
Last Updated On 29 October,2016 03:39 pm

Containers have been placed on roads to prevent PTI supporters from reaching Islamabad.
ISLAMABAD (Web Desk) – In a move to prevent Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) workers from participating in November 2 protest, the authorities have blocked all the major roads leading to the federal capital, causing great inconvenience to the party activists as well as common people.

Reportedly, police have placed shipping containers at Rashkai Interchange and Khairabad Bridge.

To stop rallies coming from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, heavy contingents of police personnel have been deployed on various roads leading to Islamabad.

Peshawar to Islamabad Motorway has been closed at the Swabi Interchange while barricades have also been placed at Mardan and Nowshera road.

On the other hand, police in different cities of Punjab have warned transporters against facilitating PTI workers.

http://video.dunyanews.tv/index.php...slamabad-blocked-with-containers#.WBSDgYVOLIU

 

[mr.robot]

Some clarity on issues discussed during meeting.

1 - COAS conveyed a strong msg that all the characters behind the fake story in Dawn news will be tried as per Army act. Govt. and PA both know who is the leader of traitors (a lady of course).

2 - COAS has cleared that the investigation report should be provided by interior ministry as promised with all the perpetrators names. Army will not take any action by itself. Interior ministry is not ready to include name of that lady in the report and says that if Army wants, it can arrest the lady. PA however doesn't know how to get that lady as it will give dying PML N a new life. Both parties are not ready to leave their positions as of now.

3 - Govt. however provided names of two ministers on which it doesn't have any issue and ready to identify them in the report. Although Army says that it needs complete report, we may see an action in the coming days. Govt. asked for relaxation of some days due to the current political situation. As per govt. naming and arresting two ministers will have a very bad impact on government position that they wouldn't be able to handle while dealing with pressure from PTI. Relaxation of some days delay in action against identified individuals was granted.

4 - In exchange of two people, govt requested full support of Army against PTI. The request was categorically rejected. It was made clear once again that Army will continue to act impartial even to the extent that it will close its eyes. Army wants govt. to handle the situation and is not interested in any role even if requested by govt (this lead to the over confidence we have been witnessing since the meeting was over).

5 - Ishaq dollar wanted to bring some budget issues (tried to bribe the chief), however, COAS postponed this discussion till more important issues (related to breach) are solved.

So no lollipops were accepted. However, important news is Army's impartiality in the current scenario.

Note: My own analysis of the situation that may change without prior notice

The lollipop that nation has to do it themselves needs to be stopped. Do you think that Nawaz got C.J iiftikhar back with people's power? No it was COAS of that time who played the role and who had 12 secret meetings in dark nights(only those were admitted, may be there were more) with CM Punjab and Opposition leader of that time and eventually allowed PMLN to get simple majority.

Yes...only last hope is from Allah only... I hope first he gives courage to people, to come out, and also helps them to overcome the blockades tht govt has put in place to not let them gather in numbers

@bold... Army's respect was severely hit...in Musharraf's time, because it TOOK OVER...and then, ruled, along with the same politicians, and committed blunders..
Who is asking them, to TAKE OVER, this time? None... Just a little help behind the scenes, and thts it...i strongly believe, tht Martial law is not the solution right now, because then army's officers, when they come on govt positions, indulge in corruption too...and it loses respect.. In the current situation, i think tht the best solution ..is...a civilain( not from politicians) , technocratic setup for few years, with ruthless accountability, with army supporting it behind the sceneswhile focussing on its professional role.... But from such system to come, it would require some manipulation from the army, behind the scenes..so tht we can come to tht..

Whats wrong in it?

Its also a moral obligation of army, to support people to bring change in this system, behind the scenes, because, it is them, who brought this NRO tainted democracy to us.. Gen Mush and Kiyani brought it upon us, along with international establishment and these politicians... So now army must free us, from clutches of NRO, not through direct intervention, but through support from behind the scenes

I will tell you the reason behind all that so called professionalism and lollipops by the PA. PMLN/NAWAZ SHARIF is their creation/legacy and they have a love and hate relationship with him. Same was the case with Militants and it took a long and unnecessary time to realize that they need to get over it in the new realities. Unfortunately, same is the case with PMLN. It is very hard to destroy your own creation and more harder when the creation has learned some weak points of the creator and new tactics(Media, Judiciary and bureaucracy control and relations with International establishment).

PA can always play a role behind the scene and they have done it many times in Kayani's era and before. There is a very slim chance that they would do it because old love takes a long time to fizzle out when it comes to PA.

 

[!eon]

Just talked to my relative. Motorway has been closed at Swabi interchange with containers and also they dumped sand at frequent distances.

It's 29th today and they have closed all kinds of traffic on motorway. Travelers be aware !

 

[Mansoon]

Just talked to my relative. Motorway has been closed at Swabi interchange with containers and also they dumped sand at frequent distances.

It's 29th today and they have closed all kinds of traffic on motorway. Travelers be aware !

Tabdeeli

Now look closely , they are destroying Motorway and Express way, We agree or disagree Govt(state) should need to have proper mechanism for these type of situations , Blocking + destroying High-Ways just not acceptable .
Major roads leading to Islamabad blocked
Last Updated On 29 October,2016 03:39 pm

Containers have been placed on roads to prevent PTI supporters from reaching Islamabad.
ISLAMABAD (Web Desk) – In a move to prevent Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) workers from participating in November 2 protest, the authorities have blocked all the major roads leading to the federal capital, causing great inconvenience to the party activists as well as common people.

Reportedly, police have placed shipping containers at Rashkai Interchange and Khairabad Bridge.

To stop rallies coming from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, heavy contingents of police personnel have been deployed on various roads leading to Islamabad.

Peshawar to Islamabad Motorway has been closed at the Swabi Interchange while barricades have also been placed at Mardan and Nowshera road.

On the other hand, police in different cities of Punjab have warned transporters against facilitating PTI workers.

http://video.dunyanews.tv/index.php...slamabad-blocked-with-containers#.WBSDgYVOLIU

Experianced Team of PMLN

 

[!eon]

Tabdeeli



Experianced Team of PMLN

Pathetic federal govt. Have they got any brains ? closing traffic three days before ? It can cause shortage of necessary supplies in KPK, and imagine suffering of people traveling and who must have to travel.

 

[Mansoon]

Pathetic federal govt. Have they got any brains ? closing traffic three days before ? It can cause shortage of necessary supplies in KPK, and imagine suffering of people traveling and who must have to travel.

But its an experienced team you know.

 

[$@rJen]

What's the economical loss is going to happen for Pakistan! !!!? Looks like huge protest... totally unnecessary for Imran khan... and nawaz shouldn't have given a permit for something that's gonna hurt the economy and daily life

 

[El_Swordsmen]

big news,
Pervaiz Rasheed has been removed !!
first scapegoat sacrificed by Nawaz Shareef

 

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword finally Khawaja Asif, along with his family has left the country..and Parvez Rasheed's resignation has been taken...no arrests ..but just simple resignation, just like Mushahid ullah khan's resignation was taken earlier...

so this is the response, tht our army and govt has decided to take(after meeting of army with fed ministers)..on breach of national security... if this is not NRO, then what is? hussain haqqani, also resigned, and now he is in USA, lobbying against Pakistan

anyways... I have realized tht I was wrong all along.. shouldn't have expected anything from army, in the first place...

May Allah help this country, to survive,,next 10-15 years atleast... then maybe, we might see some change... who knows?

big news,
Pervaiz Rasheed has been removed !!
first scapegoat sacrificed by Nawaz Shareef

only resigned... no arrest..and no interrogation.. just like Mushahid ullah khan resigned earlier..but then came back in the spot light later... its not a big news but a grand NRO

 

[El_Swordsmen]

only resigned... no arrest..and no interrogation.. just like Mushahid ullah khan resigned earlier..but then came back in the spot light later... its not a big news but a grand NRO

he resigned now, he's not a minister anymore, now he'll be trialed under military !!
still there's more to come, we have to wait for the story to unfold.

 

[PakSword]

@Farah Sohail
It was Army's decision to not take action against them but asked government to identify ALL culprits. Army doesn't want to be pointed out as a party in this. It wants that interior ministry does its job with integrity and objectivity. Parvaiz will not be arrested until Khans Dharna is finished. I think this is the agreement between govt and army for now.

Maryam will not be arrested. Now call it a NRO or whatever, but army is very reluctant to take this extreme step due to internal and external pressure.

Though it is incompetency on Army's part to give Nawaz government some relief by delaying arrests of the culprits, but we should be thankful to Allah that something is happening.

 

[mr.robot]

@Farah Sohail
It was Army's decision to not take action against them but asked government to identify ALL culprits. Army doesn't want to be pointed out as a party in this. It wants that interior ministry does its job with integrity and objectivity. Parvaiz will not be arrested until Khans Dharna is finished. I think this is the agreement between govt and army for now.

Maryam will not be arrested. Now call it a NRO or whatever, but army is very reluctant to take this extreme step due to internal and external pressure.

Though it is incompetency on Army's part to give Nawaz government some relief by delaying arrests of the culprits, but we should be thankful to Allah that something is happening.

It is my humble suggestion that stop getting and passing on lollipops by Mitti Pao Generals. Why not then allow Zardari to also live in Pakistan? I guess that his statement did a lot less damage to state then this story on an international scale. Their decision are only based upon their bias against non Punjabis and love for own creation i.e punjabi PMLN.