Islamabad Changes Tone with US - 'No blank Cheque for US'

[jeypore]

Heretofore, America has pursued traditional anti-insurgency tactics: to create a central government, help it extend its authority over the entire country and, in the process, bring about a modern bureaucratic and democratic society.

That strategy cannot succeed in Afghanistan -- especially not as an essentially solitary effort. The country is too large, the territory too forbidding, the ethnic composition too varied, the population too heavily armed. No foreign conqueror has ever succeeded in occupying Afghanistan. Even attempts to establish centralized Afghan control have rarely succeeded and then not for long. Afghans seem to define their country in terms of a common dedication to independence but not to unitary or centralized self-government.

Even though, I personally do not like Henry Kissinger, but the strategy of Afghanistan in relations to America is very interesting. It seems very plausible theory that If US would divide or make pieces of Afganistan to suit the needs of the ethinicity, would certainly bring better results to the area.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

This is untrue. PREDATOR flies today not because of unrest in Pakistan but because this unrest is a function of armies residing on your soil with their leaders and making war on Afghanistan. That influence has spread to your tribesmen.

Were this war confined to Pakistan, U.S. drones would not be in your skies. That's not the case and peace in Pakistan, alone, will not be sufficient to keep us from attacking the men whom stand in the way of our mission and safety.

So you preffer to attack a country whos armed with tens of Nuclear wepons in order to persue your dam mission.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

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[S-2]

" Help us to built the industry and trade. Don't give monetary aid."

You'll not be attracting private investment in this climate and must do all you can to arrest capital flight now in progress from your nation. So it's the IMF, World Bank and those nat'l entities such as America who will be your benefactors-or none at all.

Do you not face conditions on IMF or World Bank loans that are performance-driven? Should America's money be any different?

Protestations by Pakistan notwithstanding, it's our conclusion that you can't be effective partners and allies without implementing the conditions required through our aid.

And there's no sense underwriting an effort that contravenes our objectives.

Personally, I'd encourage a full and complete break from America. I'm encouraged here by the determination of your board members to go it alone if need be. That should be inspiring to the rest of you. Further, I imagine that you're not alone. There's comfort, if not safety, in numbers.

Most of your nation is outraged and would support such.

With the PRC in your back pocket, I can understand that you've other options. It may be time for those.

PREDATOR, of course, will continue to strike. It's operations aren't a function of our relationship with one another and represent, instead, a necessary force-protection measure.

Our only sustained effort there to date.

I sure hope force-protection doesn't require other measures but...you never know?

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

If US attacks Pakistan then Pakistan has the right to use possible measures to deefend itself. Weather its the supporting of taliban or any other possible scenario.

But lets hope that things wont go that wrong and US understands our position on
Drone attacks and India and then helps PakArmy by equiping it with rit kind of weponry like Drones then there is a possibility that things may get better as US will have an indirect role of fighting terrorist in Pakistan's territory. But i seriously dought anything happening like that.

US is Involving Iran and India to support its war in Afghanistan at the same time continuing its counterproductive drone attacks inside Pakistan. This thing is creating some serious concerns among many in Pakistan gov machinery.

US has two choices that they either leve Afghanistan or push the surge further which will only result in destabalizing the Nuclear Armed Pakistan which would indeed bring cattostrophic results for the world.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I sure hope force-protection doesn't require other measures but...you never know?

Bring it on and face the wrath .
The situation would be counterproductive for the Indians also. Not to mention the sixtytwo year old rivalry.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Do you not face conditions on IMF or World Bank loans that are performance-driven? Should America's money be any different?

IMF gives economic assistance to improove economy.
US is giving us aid because it needs to for the service which they are getting in return from PakistArmy .Indirectly they are hiring PakArmy as contractor for their war in Afghanistan.
Theres difference btw IMF aid US's payment for the services of Pakistani Armed Forces.
I personally consider that we dont need this aid as this is bringing more destruction to our land. Pakistan should make a peace deal with the moderate talibans. Like we did in the p[ast years. And if the drone attacks continue then should not try to stop the chain reaction erupting within the angry Pushtoons. Let America face it.

 

[Hellfire]

Even though, I personally do not like Henry Kissinger, but the strategy of Afghanistan in relations to America is very interesting. It seems very plausible theory that If US would divide or make pieces of Afganistan to suit the needs of the ethinicity, would certainly bring better results to the area.

well IMO academically may seem to be a sound strategy, geopolitically it shall lead to "balkanisation" of afghanistan and subesquently south asia as a whole .... paradoxically leading to further problems. This region is not yet sufficiently developed or matured to be able to adopt to such a scenario like Europe has (that too after turbulent decade of 90s and with great bloodshed and unstability)

 

[Hellfire]

IMF gives economic assistance to improove economy.
US is giving us aid because it needs to for the service which they are getting in return from PakistArmy .Indirectly they are hiring PakArmy as contractor for their war in Afghanistan.
Theres difference btw IMF aid US's payment for the services of Pakistani Armed Forces.
I personally consider that we dont need this aid as this is bringing more destruction to our land. Pakistan should make a peace deal with the moderate talibans. Like we did in the p[ast years. And if the drone attacks continue then should not try to stop the chain reaction erupting within the angry Pushtoons. Let America face it.

IMF is in a way extension of US financial muscle right now (and for the forseeable future too) ..... they use IMF when they face criticism from US taxpayers for sinking money in an effort which seems to b egoing nowhere on surface ...