Islam at war – with itself

[karan.1970]

Okkk...Another religious discussion ...I suggest those who do not know even 2 cents about Islam should just keep to themselves...

ISLAM does not allow killing of innocent lives EVEN IN STAGES OF WAR...i can quote the Quran which is higher than ANYONE's opinion....

After saying that, WHEN ONE writes ISLAM AT WAR WITH ITSELF....a life is sacred then killing your own brothern doesnt make sense....

Even what the terrorists WHO CLAIM to be Muslims cant be justified...They claim to SUPPORT Islam but kill those who practice THAT FAITH? Maybe Indians are incapable of adding 2 and 2 but even a blind can see it is obvious NO MUSLIM is killing Muslim but some fanatics UNDER THE NAME OF ISLAM are!

If you can not distinguish this point, then GOD BLESS YOU!

1. Its not an Indian who wrote the article
2. Its not a religious discussion but an article on how the muslim society is evolving in today's world..

 

[shuntmaster]

Okkk...Another religious discussion ...I suggest those who do not know even 2 cents about Islam should just keep to themselves...

ISLAM does not allow killing of innocent lives EVEN IN STAGES OF WAR...i can quote the Quran which is higher than ANYONE's opinion....

After saying that, WHEN ONE writes ISLAM AT WAR WITH ITSELF....a life is sacred then killing your own brothern doesnt make sense....

Even what the terrorists WHO CLAIM to be Muslims cant be justified...They claim to SUPPORT Islam but kill those who practice THAT FAITH? Maybe Indians are incapable of adding 2 and 2 but even a blind can see it is obvious NO MUSLIM is killing Muslim but some fanatics UNDER THE NAME OF ISLAM are!

If you can not distinguish this point, then GOD BLESS YOU!

Members of Al-Qaeda do not agree with you. Also, they claim they represent the real Islam and a significant portion of Muslims agree with that.
I presume they are also knowledgeable in Koran and take inspiration from it.

 

[muse]

Some thoughtful comments, some less so - Why is Islam at war with itself? Why are Muslims at war with each other?? Before we get to considering these questions, lets deal with the objections - these begin, of course, with denial - followed by the idiot phase where in questions such as "What does Islam have to do with Muslims" dominate - the dangerously undereducated among us find this particular question to be "sharp witted", a jab that cuts to the heart of the issue - indeed, what do Mureed and Murshid have to do with Pirs?

So, we are left with the questions of Why are Muslims at war with each other, why is Islam at war with itself?

 

[shuntmaster]

Some thoughtful comments, some less so - Why is Islam at war with itself? Why are Muslims at war with each other?? Before we get to considering these questions, lets deal with the objections - these begin, of course, with denial - followed by the idiot phase where in questions such as "What does Islam have to do with Muslims" dominate - the dangerously undereducated among us find this particular question to be "sharp witted", a jab that cuts to the heart of the issue - indeed, what do Mureed and Murshid have to do with Pirs?

So, we are left with the questions of Why are Muslims at war with each other, why is Islam at war with itself?

My answer is: pressure cooker with blocked valve.
Which leads of the next question, where is that pressure coming from? Answer points to the elephant in the room whose name is Malsi, which no one wants to talk about.

 

[Aamna14]

OK. Please educate me on the issues you raised...
1. you said "most Muslims are being killed and tortured than anyone else" . Who is killing them and why?
2. you said "Secondly we all know who created these terrorists". Please tell us who created the terrorists and why?

The former secretary of United States Hilary Clinton is on record claiming that they have created Al Qaeda also that they had funded them against the Soviets and they were proudly called freedom fighters and Pakistan was supposed to provide them support against Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Now as soon as the Soviet threat was removed and it was US invading Afghanistan the same freedom fighters turned into terrorists now iam not saying they were freedom fighters or not iam just stating the hypocrisy of the way people choose to perceive these things. And i never said that all Muslims are ideal representations of Islam and have never wronged anybody and they aren't committing criminal acts but to sling mud at their religion is not fair. You think there were these many suicide attacks before all these invasions took place be it Afghanistan or Iraq. These were unstable places but such violence only began when these lands were invaded. I can atleast speak for Pakistan that there weren't such suicide attacks until we supported foreign invasions which by the way are criminal under International Law.

 

[shuntmaster]

The former secretary of United States Hilary Clinton is on record claiming that they have created Al Qaeda also that they had funded them against the Soviets and they were proudly called freedom fighters and Pakistan was supposed to provide them support against Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Now as soon as the Soviet threat was removed and it was US invading Afghanistan the same freedom fighters turned into terrorists now iam not saying they were freedom fighters or not iam just stating the hypocrisy of the way people choose to perceive these things. And i never said that all Muslims are ideal representations of Islam and have never wronged anybody and they aren't committing criminal acts but to sling mud at their religion is not fair. You think there were these many suicide attacks before all these invasions took place be it Afghanistan or Iraq. These were unstable places but such violence only began when these lands were invaded. I can atleast speak for Pakistan that there weren't such suicide attacks until we supported foreign invasions which by the way are criminal under International Law.

This is interesting. Can you please show me where Hilary Clinton claimed that US created Al-Qaeda? I only know that US armed and financed the Anti-Soviet Mujaheddin fighters in Afghanistan.
I think the attacks on TTP attacks on Pakistan started after the SSG's operation on Lal Masjid in Islamabad, which happened due to the Chinese pressure on Musharraf government.

 

[IND151]

This is interesting. Can you please show me where Hilary Clinton claimed that US created Al-Qaeda? I only know that US armed and financed the Anti-Soviet Mujaheddin fighters in Afghanistan.
I think the attacks on TTP attacks on Pakistan started after the SSG's operation on Lal Masjid in Islamabad, which happened due to the Chinese pressure on Musharraf government.

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[shuntmaster]

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The lal masjid operation happened after the kidnap of the Chinese 'beauty parlour' ladies by the lal masjid residents ....

 

[IND151]

^^thanks for info

 

[muse]

My answer is: pressure cooker with blocked valve.
Which leads of the next question, where is that pressure coming from? Answer points to the elephant in the room whose name is Malsi, which no one wants to talk about.

Can you please expand - in English

 

[shuntmaster]

Can you please expand - in English

Please read my previous posts on this thread.

 

[Aamna14]

This is interesting. Can you please show me where Hilary Clinton claimed that US created Al-Qaeda? I only know that US armed and financed the Anti-Soviet Mujaheddin fighters in Afghanistan.
I think the attacks on TTP attacks on Pakistan started after the SSG's operation on Lal Masjid in Islamabad, which happened due to the Chinese pressure on Musharraf government.

I think its the same link that i was refering to i hope iam not wrong but i can't access it from here you can check it and tell me.

Hillary Clinton Admits the US. Government Created al-Qaeda (Reuploaded) - YouTube

 

[Hobo1]

The basic canon of Arab Life.

It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel.

Now specially in places like Pakistan with hardly any Kufur left to kill , folks are going after next worst thing ,which happens to Shia and Ahemdis.

 

[shuntmaster]

I think its the same link that i was refering to i hope iam not wrong but i can't access it from here you can check it and tell me.

Yes, Hilary Clinton admits in the video that they supported the Anti-soviet Mujaheddin. She also admits that they left the area with well armed and trained mujaheddin after the defeat of soviets in Afghanistan. Nowhere does she mention Al-Qaeda.

The Taliban came into being in mid 90's from the pastun remnants of the the anti-soviet mujaheddin, and the ISI was the facilitator in converting the pastun mujaheddin into Taliban.