Islam at war – with itself

[Aslan]

That's the whole point.. Hinduism is more of a culture rather than being a religion or a cult...



Not really a religious discussion.. More of a discussion on the current situation of Muslim states/world..

Wait was I talking to you or ask you for your opinion, not really. So mind your own business. You want to discuss, then discuss, passing judgements on Islam is not acceptable. And not talking about you only.

 

[karan.1970]

Wait was I talking to you or ask you for your opinion, not really. So mind your own business. You want to discuss, then discuss, passing judgements on Islam is not acceptable. And not talking about you only.

So report the posts that you find violate the rules .. Just like I reported yours for using the term Yindu.. Dont go judgmental on the whole thread...

 

[shuntmaster]

George Bush's wars in the Middle East only served to radicalize an entire generation of Middle Eastern youth.

Suicide attacks in the world were very rare prior to the wars in Afghanistan/Iraq.

Now they happen multiple times within one single day.

They were already radicalized when WOT started. WOT gave these radicalized morons an outlet to express themselves. Infact, 9/11 which kick started the WOT was orchestrated by these radicalized Arabs.

 

[That Guy]

That's the whole point.. Hinduism is more of a culture rather than being a religion or a cult...

Then I can claim that Islam isn't a religion, but a way of life.

If you believe in divinity of some sort, you're either a follower of a religion, or a cult.

They were already radicalized when WOT started. WOT gave these radicalized morons an outlet to express themselves. Infact, 9/11 which kick started the WOT was orchestrated by these radicalized Arabs.

Why do you insist on making such terribly thought out remarks? Seriously, all you're doing is stoking sectarian lines.

 

[shuntmaster]

George Bush's wars in the Middle East only served to radicalize an entire generation of Middle Eastern youth.

Suicide attacks in the world were very rare prior to the wars in Afghanistan/Iraq.

Now they happen multiple times within one single day.

As per Islam, only way to directly enter the Islamic paradise (Janna) is getting killed in jihad. Going by the basic tenets of Islam, a radicalized Muslim filled with Jihady fervour is a good Muslim. So, depending on where your point of view is, a person could be a radicalized terrorist or a good Muslim.
What I'm trying to say here, is that WOT was not the cause, but a conveient excuse for radicalized Muslims to engage in global jihad. Before 9/11, the jihady energy was expended locally in places like Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir etc. Al-Qaeda and its later affiliates took this to global levels. Now a jihady is no longer limited to geographical borders. He is very mobile and his cause could be anywhere in the world. One day he is in mountains of tora-bora, next day he could be in the streets of Baghdad or even Boston or Mumbai.

 

[Developereo]

Oh yindu experts on Islam preaching us on what should and shouldnt be done. Nice.


@TaimiKhan, sir ji kindly look into it. I though religious discussions were not allowed.

Didn't you notice it's the usual suspects?
When walking past a ditch, don't get in the mud with the pigs.
Just keep walking...

 

[karan.1970]

Then I can claim that Islam isn't a religion, but a way of life.

If you believe in divinity of some sort, you're either a follower of a religion, or a cult.

That's your prerogative.. But most followers of Islam will probably come after you for saying that Islam is not a religion. Anyway, we are probably a bit digressed there.. You can read why I said what I did from here
How Do You Define Hinduism?

 

[That Guy]

That's your prerogative.. But most followers of Islam will probably come after you for saying that Islam is not a religion. Anyway, we are probably a bit digressed there.. You can read why I said what I did from here
How Do You Define Hinduism?

I disagree, they'd agree with me and say that Islam is a way of life, not a religion.

Again, whatever you wanna call it, it still fits the description of religion. I just skimmed over the entire thing and really, all the articles argue is semantics.

 

[karan.1970]

I disagree, they'd agree with me and say that Islam is a way of life, not a religion.

Again, whatever you wanna call it, it still fits the description of religion. I just skimmed over the entire thing and really, all the articles argue is semantics.

That's ok.. You may chose to call it a religion and I chose to call it a culture.. Does not change much about the flexibility of belief it provides unlike most modern religions and hence the distinction.. rest is anyway as you said, semantics...

 

[Aamna14]

As per Islam, only way to directly enter the Islamic paradise (Janna) is getting killed in jihad. Going by the basic tenets of Islam, a radicalized Muslim filled with Jihady fervour is a good Muslim. So, depending on where your point of view is, a person could be a radicalized terrorist or a good Muslim.
What I'm trying to say here, is that WOT was not the cause, but a conveient excuse for radicalized Muslims to engage in global jihad. Before 9/11, the jihady energy was expended locally in places like Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir etc. Al-Qaeda and its later affiliates took this to global levels. Now a jihady is no longer limited to geographical borders. He is very mobile and his cause could be anywhere in the world. One day he is in mountains of tora-bora, next day he could be in the streets of Baghdad or even Boston or Mumbai.

Thats you lack of knowledge on the subject that you think anyone can rise up and declare a Jihad to attain paradise but obviously you choose to see it that way otherwise how could you term Muslims as moronic as you just recently did? Forget about the War on Terror but your history might have started with the radicalization of Muslims and their frantic version of Jihad obviously if you wanted to go deeper into the matter you could have found out it had absolutely nothing to do with being a Muslim but again in that case you couldn't blame the easier target could you?

 

[illusion8]

Oh yindu experts on Islam preaching us on what should and shouldnt be done. Nice.

If it's evil Yindu's who are preaching you, I would suggest Muslims here to come with some kind of coherent explanation of what's really happening in the Muslim world - better yet in the whole world. Let's hear out the causes first before you come up with the solutions. There's thousands dying everyday and wars going on with Millions of troops deployed in many countries - so the topic is as relevant as anything else or even more.

And, why are we interested? because we too are the affected one's and have seen Muslims for centuries, they live among us.

 

[shuntmaster]

Thats you lack of knowledge on the subject that you think anyone can rise up and declare a Jihad to attain paradise but obviously you choose to see it that way otherwise how could you term Muslims as moronic as you just recently did? Forget about the War on Terror but your history might have started with the radicalization of Muslims and their frantic version of Jihad obviously if you wanted to go deeper into the matter you could have found out it had absolutely nothing to do with being a Muslim but again in that case you couldn't blame the easier target could you?

I accept that I'm not an expert on Islamic issues. I comment on issues which I'm confident that I know about. But, I'm willing to be stand corrected and being educated.
I never called Muslims as morons. I only called the jihady terrorists as morons. Now its you who is equating all Muslims and jihady terrorists.
I don't want to debate on definition of a real Muslim. Its a matter of internal discussion in the Islamic world. But, when somebody is holding the Quran in one hand and shouting 'Allah-o-Akbar' while blowing himself/herself up, its natural that the rest of the world associate those people with Islamic terrorism.

 

[Aamna14]

I accept that I'm not an expert on Islamic issues. I comment on issues which I'm confident that I know about. But, I'm willing to be stand corrected and being educated.
I never called Muslims as morons. I only called the jihady terrorists as morons. Now its you who is equating all Muslims and jihady terrorists.
I don't want to debate on definition of a real Muslim. Its a matter of internal discussion in the Islamic world. But, when somebody is holding the Quran in one hand and shouting 'Allah-o-Akbar' while blowing himself/herself up, its natural that the rest of the world associate those people with Islamic terrorism.

First of all the rest of the world needs to look at the roots of the issue and not blindly blame religion as the motive of terrorism. One might be uttering anything that does not mean they represent that religion because if that were the case most Muslims are being killed and tortured than anyone else but since you choose to demonise their religion it is easier to overlook their suffering. Secondly we all know who created these terrorists and why they exist and if you still choose to believe that Islam drives them to go out and blow themselves up then i must say you don't want to accept facts.

 

[shuntmaster]

First of all the rest of the world needs to look at the roots of the issue and not blindly blame religion as the motive of terrorism. One might be uttering anything that does not mean they represent that religion because if that were the case most Muslims are being killed and tortured than anyone else but since you choose to demonise their religion it is easier to overlook their suffering. Secondly we all know who created these terrorists and why they exist and if you still choose to believe that Islam drives them to go out and blow themselves up then i must say you don't want to accept facts.

OK. Please educate me on the issues you raised...
1. you said "most Muslims are being killed and tortured than anyone else" . Who is killing them and why?
2. you said "Secondly we all know who created these terrorists". Please tell us who created the terrorists and why?

 

[Dubious]

Okkk...Another religious discussion ...I suggest those who do not know even 2 cents about Islam should just keep to themselves...

ISLAM does not allow killing of innocent lives EVEN IN STAGES OF WAR...i can quote the Quran which is higher than ANYONE's opinion....

After saying that, WHEN ONE writes ISLAM AT WAR WITH ITSELF....a life is sacred then killing your own brothern doesnt make sense....

Even what the terrorists WHO CLAIM to be Muslims cant be justified...They claim to SUPPORT Islam but kill those who practice THAT FAITH? Maybe Indians are incapable of adding 2 and 2 but even a blind can see it is obvious NO MUSLIM is killing Muslim but some fanatics UNDER THE NAME OF ISLAM are!

If you can not distinguish this point, then GOD BLESS YOU!