ISI Evidence Led US to OBL

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Question arises, will the ISI sleuths who helped the US also be arrested, harassed and whatever like that Doctor was?

Why would the ISI be harassed and arrested?

The ISI officials were acting under the sanction of the State and GoP while extending intelligence and military cooperation to the US - they were not cooperating with the US in conducting and illegal, unauthorized military operation in Abbottabad - can you see the difference now that it has been spoon fed to you?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I don't know wht is all this. A new conspiracy theory or reality. But the question to Op is wht purpose it will serve.

I don't know how wider Pakistan Media is buying this stuff, but until it doesn't ignite few takers on national and international media forums, its credibility remain questionable.

No body will accept this. This reason is, even if somebody put this on national level, it serves purpose for Pakistan Army only.
America was unpopular earlier and will remain in coming days.
Now

Given that Obama and other high level US officials have accepted the fact that Pakistan provided key intelligence leading to OBL and that Pakistan has neutralized significant numbers of AQ leaders and members, what exactly do you find to be a 'conspiracy theory' here - or are you, as some of your other compatriots, choosing to rant out of your arse as usual since you are brainwashed by the Indian government and media to hate and denigrate Pakistan and its security institutions every chance you get?

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Doesnt this look like ISI handed over the call intercept without knowing the importance of it.. And Americans developed it further, hit the jackpot and rightly so, decided to keep the circle of information small and tight..

Or am I missing something?

Given the connection between the courier and OBL, there is no way the ISI would not have known who the courier was, IF the ISI had indeed been sheltering OBL as is alleged.

The fact that they were unaware of the link between the individual who was in the call and OBL strongly supports the argument that the ISI was in fact not aware of OBL's hideout and was not sheltering him.

 

[Yeti]

Pakistan accused of tipping off al-Qaeda fighters ahead of raids - Telegraph


Must state this was denied by Pakistan

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pakistan accused of tipping off al-Qaeda fighters ahead of raids - Telegraph

Must state this was denied by Pakistan

Correct, this was denied by Pakistan, and denied in detail, and there are a couple of threads on this forum discussing the allegations and denials - coming in the aftermath of the OBL raid, was pretty much a propaganda exercise on the part of the US to justify its decision to not involve Pakistan, retroactively.

Where is the reference to Ayman al Zawahiri being tipped off by the ISI?

 

[Yeti]

Correct, this was denied by Pakistan, and denied in detail, and there are a couple of threads on this forum discussing the allegations and denials - coming in the aftermath of the OBL raid, was pretty much a propaganda exercise on the part of the US to justify its decision to not involve Pakistan, retroactively.

Where is the reference to Ayman al Zawahiri being tipped off by the ISI?

It was a video I watched think it may have been a BBC one that was banned in Pakistan named Secret Pakistan.

 

[Rafi]

Suffice to say the Yanks used this episode to use the "mantra" of do more, therefore the efforts of the company that developed the information - that got OBL's location was overlooked.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It was a video I watched think it may have been a BBC one that was banned in Pakistan named Secret Pakistan.

That hardly qualifies as a credible evidence of any such thing actually happening, nor does it provide a timeline of when the alleged event happened - even if the US claims of the factory raids were correct (and there is nothing to suggest they are) those were events in the aftermath of the OBL raid, and therefore cannot be used as justification for the decision to not inform Pakistan about the intelligence suggesting OBL's presence.

 

[Yeti]

That hardly qualifies as a credible evidence of any such thing actually happening, nor does it provide a timeline of when the alleged event happened - even if the US claims of the factory raids were correct (and there is nothing to suggest they are) those were events in the aftermath of the OBL raid, and therefore cannot be used as justification for the decision to not inform Pakistan about the intelligence suggesting OBL's presence.

It was claimed the tip-off to Ayman al-Zawahri happened prior to the OBL raid hence why intelligence was not shared with their counterparts in Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It was claimed the tip-off to Ayman al-Zawahri happened prior to the OBL raid hence why intelligence was not shared with their counterparts in Pakistan.

Rather convenient that this claim, without any supporting evidence, comes to light after the OBL raid, when the US is trying to justify its decision to not inform Pakistan about the raid ..

Please remember that Pakistan issued a detailed rebuttal to the US claims of 'informing the PA about explosives factories' - it did not deny that the US had informed it about the factories, but it did argue that the US did not give the PA enough time, and the militants were already vacating the factories at the time the PA was mobilizing a raid - some officials even argued that the US used the entire incident as a 'set-up', informing Pakistan about the factories and tipping off the militants itself in order to make it look like the PA was the one tipping off the militants.

A raid on random militant facilities would also be handled differently than a top secret raid to capture OBL, so while in the former the chances of militants picking up military movement (convoys involving the FC/PA etc.) would increase given militant spies and informers in the surrounding communities, the chances of OBL being tipped off on a secret (likely airborne) raid by Pakistani special forces and intelligence operatives would be negligible to none.

One cannot be used as justification for the other - all this, as I already said, pretty much smacks of a US orchestrated campaign of misinformation and propaganda to discredit Pakistan and justify the decision to not inform Pakistan about the OBL raid in advance.

 

[Yeti]

Rather convenient that this claim, without any supporting evidence, comes to light after the OBL raid, when the US is trying to justify its decision to not inform Pakistan about the raid ..

Please remember that Pakistan issued a detailed rebuttal to the US claims of 'informing the PA about explosives factories' - it did not deny that the US had informed it about the factories, but it did argue that the US did not give the PA enough time, and the militants were already vacating the factories at the time the PA was mobilizing a raid - some officials even argued that the US used the entire incident as a 'set-up', informing Pakistan about the factories and tipping off the militants itself in order to make it look like the PA was the one tipping off the militants.

A raid on random militant facilities would also be handled differently than a top secret raid to capture OBL, so while in the former the chances of militants picking up military movement (convoys involving the FC/PA etc.) would increase given militant spies and informers in the surrounding communities, the chances of OBL being tipped off on a secret (likely airborne) raid by Pakistani special forces and intelligence operatives would be negligible to none.

One cannot be used as justification for the other - all this, as I already said, pretty much smacks of a US orchestrated campaign of misinformation and propaganda to discredit Pakistan and justify the decision to not inform Pakistan about the OBL raid in advance.

It is true this claim was made only after the OBL raid and not before but what would be the reason they did not inform ISI if there was no trust deficit? unless it was to defame Pakistan

 

[VelocuR]

This is something we need to understand regarding US didn't inform Pakistan at advance. I believe it is related to Raymond Davis Revenge in order to paint Pakistan military a bad light to show they are hiding OBL under the nose.

After Saddam Hussein, Gadaffai, Mubarak, Ratko Mladic, Serbia Mafia, other criminals----one thing we haven't seen Osama bin laden body or his face in the International court justice, ask yourself why??

 

[karan.1970]

Given the connection between the courier and OBL, there is no way the ISI would not have known who the courier was, IF the ISI had indeed been sheltering OBL as is alleged.

The fact that they were unaware of the link between the individual who was in the call and OBL strongly supports the argument that the ISI was in fact not aware of OBL's hideout and was not sheltering him.

Not necessarily.. In a highly compartmentalized operation, which sheltering OBL would have been, if that was the case, its quite possible that this was a classical case of left hand not knowing what right was doing and ending up slamming the hammer right on top of the cookie jar...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Not necessarily.. In a highly compartmentalized operation, which sheltering OBL would have been, if that was the case, its quite possible that this was a classical case of left hand not knowing what right was doing and ending up slamming the hammer right on top of the cookie jar...

Even with a 'highly compartmentalized operation', especially if the 'compartment' was authorized at very high levels, the importance attached to OBL and the need to keep him hidden would have meant that any AQ related intelligence shared with foreign intelligence agencies was first sifted through by those 'inside the compartment' to ensure that their 'ward' remained undetected.

The intelligence regarding the courier was shared with the US months in advance, so even if you were to argue that the intelligence was shared with the US before someone could stop it, that is more than enough time for those 'inside the compartment' to realize what had happened and take steps to relocate OBL - none of that happened, which, again, strongly suggests that no one in the ISI, certainly not anyone at a higher level or in a position to access all ISI intelligence and intel sharing activities, was involved.

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It is true this claim was made only after the OBL raid and not before but what would be the reason they did not inform ISI if there was no trust deficit? unless it was to defame Pakistan

IIRC, the alleged tip itself, regarding the explosive factories, was shared AFTER the OBL raid.

 

[kawaraj]

conducting such an operation in an sovereign country, the US part has been very tricky. they use us and run against us, all for its maximum benefit, look at the history of ISI and US intellegence agencies, you'll find everything.

shame on the US evil heart.