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Is the Crackdown in Iran the Start of a Fresh Tyranny?

I am not in love with Islamic republic but I like them.

85% of Iranians participated in presidential election in 2009 and 76% in 2013. If people they didn't love IR they wouldn't participated in elections.
We have the highest voter turnout in the world. In European countries voter turnout is only 30 - 40%.
The people who vote doesn't count, the same for those who participate in demonstrations supporting the system.
What matters is a afew people outside Iran, who think we should run a referendum every decade to prove ourselves to them.
But even after that they would repeat people didn't knew what they were doing. Manipulated mines and votes!
 
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I don't put it as love. I think in 2013 people mobilized to elect the candidate that was more inline with what they want and less inline with what Supreme leader wanted. The social media organized the voters and and only a week before the voting they they decided to hugely participate. If you remember or agree, there was a huge debate whether they would participate and even on those families that were very much against the regime some youngsters were arguing in favor of participating and electing the ones accepted by reformist.

I myself was against voting at all but confess, that I was wrong and the pragmatic way the people of Iran decided what to do was the correct approach given the circumstances. It was a lesson for me that if you give up the field when as small as they have made it to be you don't earn anything and would lose what you have. If I could with a peaceful civil disobedience topple the leadership I would but short of that reform from within is what people did and they were successful so far and in my opinion it had nothing to do with loving the regime.

In my opinion the regime is very complex and like any other complex system there is no hate of whole or love of all. You hate special concepts and know if those removed the process will make it more democratic and move towards the right direction. The system currently is such that it can grow into a Fascistic state very easily if it is not resisted. There should be no way a system can manipulate itself into one at any point.
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دلیلش اینه که شما دقیقا نمی دانید با چه چیزی طرف هستید

از نظر شما جمهوری اسلامی نظامی تک قطبی هست که همه چیز در آن به رهبری ختم میشود

بر عکس

جمهوری اسلامی نظامی بی نهایت پیچیده و قدرتمند هست

اگر کسی بخواد واقعا براش دردسر درست کنه خیلی راحت حالش رو میگیرن

حتی فکرشم نمی تونی بکنی که چه کارهایی برای پیچاندن افراد خرابکار انجام میدن

البته کاری که شما انجام میدی اصلا به حساب نمیاد و آخرش نامیدی هست

ولی از من به شما نصیحت

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آمریکا و اسرائیل 36 ساله توش موندن

به فکر این باش که یه روزی چرخ فلک بچرخه و بخوای برگردی ایران

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IRI is here to stay !

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بنده همیشه به این موضوع فکر میکنم که چرا شما و کسانی که مثل شما فکر میکنند ایجاد تاپیک هایی مثل این رو اثر بخش میدونند

دلیلش اینه که شما دقیقا نمی دانید با چه چیزی طرف هستید

از نظر شما جمهوری اسلامی نظامی تک قطبی هست که همه چیز در آن به رهبری ختم میشود

بر عکس

جمهوری اسلامی نظامی بی نهایت پیچیده و قدرتمند هست

اگر کسی بخواد واقعا براش دردسر درست کنه خیلی راحت حالش رو میگیرن

حتی فکرشم نمی تونی بکنی که چه کارهایی برای پیچاندن افراد خرابکار انجام میدن

البته کاری که شما انجام میدی اصلا به حساب نمیاد و آخرش نامیدی هست

ولی از من به شما نصیحت

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آمریکا و اسرائیل 36 ساله توش موندن

به فکر این باش که یه روزی چرخ فلک بچرخه و بخوای برگردی ایران

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IRI is here to stay !

آقای سیاوش

بنده همیشه به این موضوع فکر میکنم که چرا شما و کسانی که مثل شما فکر میکنند ایجاد تاپیک هایی مثل این رو اثر بخش میدونند

دلیلش اینه که شما دقیقا نمی دانید با چه چیزی طرف هستید

از نظر شما جمهوری اسلامی نظامی تک قطبی هست که همه چیز در آن به رهبری ختم میشود

بر عکس

جمهوری اسلامی نظامی بی نهایت پیچیده و قدرتمند هست

اگر کسی بخواد واقعا براش دردسر درست کنه خیلی راحت حالش رو میگیرن

حتی فکرشم نمی تونی بکنی که چه کارهایی برای پیچاندن افراد خرابکار انجام میدن

البته کاری که شما انجام میدی اصلا به حساب نمیاد و آخرش نامیدی هست

ولی از من به شما نصیحت

حریف اینا نمیشید

آمریکا و اسرائیل 36 ساله توش موندن

به فکر این باش که یه روزی چرخ فلک بچرخه و بخوای برگردی ایران

:)
اثر حقیقت ولی اندک مثل آب در کوه گچی هستش.بتدریج نفوذ میکند و در نهایت پیروز میشود. جمهوری اسلامی کوه گچیست که عظمتش را بر پایه استدلال سست بنام ولایت فقیه قرار داده که قابل تخریب هستش. پایه های مردمیش در صورت تبلیغ درست سست میشود و در نهایت تغییر میکند. هیچ نیروی اهریمنی قویتر از اراده جمعی نیست و این را کسی بهتر از آخوند نمیداند. از رقیب باید روشهای موفقش را درس گرفت و به او پس داد. روش آخوند تکرار تکرار تکرار است و اگر
ما هم حقیقت و چیزی که بدان اعتقاد داریم را مکررا با منطق و استدلال و با دید باز و بدون تعصب بیان کنیم بی تاثیر نخواهد بود.
عمل ما باید صداقت و شهامت امام حسین و صلابت علی گونه داشته باشد باید برای آرمان انسانی والا همچون حسین عزیز جان
داد. افتخار ما باید این باشد که رذلترین و شقیترین آدمها ما را سلاخی کنند در مسیر ایران قوی و آزاد.
سلاح زبان و استدلال و وسیله جان ناقابل .
 
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اثر حقیقت ولی اندک مثل آب در کوه گچی هستش.بتدریج نفوذ میکند و در نهایت پیروز میشود. جمهوری اسلامی کوه گچیست که عظمتش را بر پایه استدلال سست بنام ولایت فقیه قرار داده که قابل تخریب هستش. پایه های مردمیش در صورت تبلیغ درست سست میشود و در نهایت تغییر میکند. هیچ نیروی اهریمنی قویتر از اراده جمعی نیست و این را کسی بهتر از آخوند نمیداند. از رقیب باید روشهای موفقش را درس گرفت و به او پس داد. روش آخوند تکرار تکرار تکرار است و اگر
ما هم حقیقت و چیزی که بدان اعتقاد داریم را مکررا با منطق و استدلال و با دید باز و بدون تعصب بیان کنیم بی تاثیر نخواهد بود.
عمل ما باید صداقت و شهامت امام حسین و صلابت علی گونه داشته باشد باید برای آرمان انسانی والا همچون حسین عزیز جان
داد. افتخار ما باید این باشد که رذلترین و شقیترین آدمها ما را سلاخی کنند در مسیر ایران قوی و آزاد.
سلاح زبان و استدلال و وسیله جان ناقابل .

تا که مفهوم آزادی چه باشد

اتفاقا مهم ترین دلیل پایداری جمهوری اسلامی اعتقادات شیعی هست

جمهوری اسلامی نه تنها ضعیف نشده بلکه روز به روز قدرتمند تر هم شده

وقتی زمان مخفی کاری 15 ساله تمام شود تازه دنیا روی دیگه ایران رو خواهد دید

مشکل اصلی مخالفین نظام عدم درک شخصیت مردم ایران هست

هیچ وقت نمیشه گفت که ایرانی ها به چی فکر میکنند

مثلا خود شما

تا الان فکر کردی زدن این تاپیک در فرومی که شاید کمتر از 20 ایرانی داخلش عضو هستن چه سودی داره؟

تبلیغ برای خارجی ها!؟

همین برادران سپاه که شما عده ای وحشی بی مغز در نظر گرفتیشون با این مسائل تفریح میکنند

در نهایت چیزی که برات باقی می مونه سر خوردگی هست

:)

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Where do you get your information regarding that? By the way in Iran there are multiple power sources and people differensiate it clearly. They are very informed and clever and also pragmatic. They see Rouhani Government and they see Khamaneie and they also see part of IRGC gang and conservatist and also they see reformers that are partially in agreement with Rouhani and they also see opposition.

People agree with the Rouhani faction at least 45% and oppose the Khameneie and those under his wing by at least 60% or more based on recent presidential public vote with greater than 70% participation.

Your assumption is not correct on this regard. By the way it is not about the government but factions in the regime that even under Velayate faghih wish more power and absolute power. People do not like to be limited not the opposition nor the reformers and pro government and that is what happening now under the new move by Khameneie and his gang.

Do you realize your post is full of assumptions where you have absolutely no evidence? For example, you keep saying "they". How do you know this?

Why do you assume that a vote for Rouhani was a vote against Khamenei? Was Khamenei running on ballot? In Iran, politics are not like the west, where candidates are a clear left/right or Democrat/Republican. The media tries to make it like that for Iran by making it seem like "Conservative/Reformist", but it doesn't work at all.

Isn't it silly that the co-called "reformist" in the last election was the only "akhund" out of 8 candidates?

Remember all the hoopla about the 88 elections when the greens were shouting for the "reformists" as if they weren't part of the government for the last 36 years (8 years President Rafsanjani, 8 Years president Khatami, 8 years Prime Minister Mousavi, and I don't know how many years Majlis Leader Karoubi were suddenly the reformists?)

Wasn't Larijani supposed to be ultra-conservative? Why is now BFF with Rohani?

What happened to Aref? Why isn't he having a prominent role in the government if this is a reformist faction?

Stop looking at Iran through the simplistic viewpoints of the west. It's absolutely ridiculous.
 
The people who vote doesn't count, the same for those who participate in demonstrations supporting the system.
What matters is a afew people outside Iran, who think we should run a referendum every decade to prove ourselves to them.
But even after that they would repeat people didn't knew what they were doing. Manipulated mines and votes!

The only successful way to please the west, is to run Iran as follows,

1) Run a referendum on what kind of government we should have every few days (Tuesday might be Communist Dictatorship, Friday could be Democratic Facism, who knows, that's how we should roll). Because if 99% agreed to something on Saturday, what guarantee is there that by Wednesday, people don't want something else?

2) Every law should be also be voted in by popular vote. Dress laws, taxation, what time the municipality cars come to pick up the garbage, toll prices, height of tunnels between cities, and so on. Because we don't let everyone vote on everything, how can we be sure we aren't trampling on their human rights?

3) Everyone should be allowed to run and, to be fair, everyone should get equal time in the campaigns, so that money does not have advantages (imagine the complains we would hear if some well connected guy wins the election, they will say he "bought" the votes). Anyway, last election we had 680 registered candidates. Like last year, each of them will have the opportunity to make two 30 minute campaign ads, each showing twice. That's 2 hours of TV time per candidate, which is 1360 hours, which is 56.6 days. However, it would be unfair to show one candidate at 4pm and another at 5am, so all times should be in the same 2 hours slot, therefore, it would be 680 days, which is almost 2 years. Okay, so we need to start the campaigns now...but wait. If we show a campaign now, and another campaign 2 years later, the one at the end has an advantage. So maybe the solution is to broadcast 680 new channels, and have them all run the campaigns at the same time?

But that's not all. We have to also think about how to do the debates for 680 candidates. Should each candidate debate each person separately? My math is probably wrong, but that's something like 462,400 debates.

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Ooof, @mohsen, this is so complicated. I have a better idea, let's just make angry posts about the IRI, and talk about "freedom", "human rights", and "democracy", and forget the reality. It's so much easier and it will make me feel like an enlightened person.

تا که مفهوم آزادی چه باشد

اتفاقا مهم ترین دلیل پایداری جمهوری اسلامی اعتقادات شیعی هست

جمهوری اسلامی نه تنها ضعیف نشده بلکه روز به روز قدرتمند تر هم شده

وقتی زمان مخفی کاری 15 ساله تمام شود تازه دنیا روی دیگه ایران رو خواهد دید

مشکل اصلی مخالفین نظام عدم درک شخصیت مردم ایران هست

هیچ وقت نمیشه گفت که ایرانی ها به چی فکر میکنند

مثلا خود شما

تا الان فکر کردی زدن این تاپیک در فرومی که شاید کمتر از 20 ایرانی داخلش عضو هستن چه سودی داره؟

تبلیغ برای خارجی ها!؟

همین برادران سپاه که شما عده ای وحشی بی مغز در نظر گرفتیشون با این مسائل تفریح میکنند

در نهایت چیزی که برات باقی می مونه سر خوردگی هست

:)

چیزی تغییر نخواهد کرد

توصیه من به شما دوری از سیاست هست

One of the most interesting aspects of humanity is to feel that others think like us. Maybe that's an evolutionary trait of when we were in small groups of 10-15 people. That feeling might have enforced group thinking and social bindings and helped us then to survive.

Millions of years later, in a globalized world, it is becoming a hinder. Everyone thinks that majority of the people is aligned with their viewpoints. When Syavash looks at Iran, he thinks that majority of the Iranians think like him and the minority is unfairly ruling, and the ideal future is an Iran that supposedly respects the majority viewpoint. Go to the other forums in this site, and you see the exact same things. An Egyptian posted that less than 2% supported Morsi. A KSA citizen was convinced that all Arabs (except brainwashed Shias) hated Farsis with a passion. That Syrian teenager is sure that almost all Syrians hate Assad except the minority Alawites. The Jordanian poster will tell you that Houthis in Yemen are a tiny cult, and almost all of the Yemens hate them and are happy that Saudis are entering their country to fight the Houthis.

None of them are lying, because they believe it to be the truth.

How do we challenge this? How can we be sure WE are not like this?

This is extremely difficult, because even when you show direct evidence of something to a person who believes in a certain, he will refuse to accept it.
 
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