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Is stability without democracy possible in Pakistan?

By Jawed Naqvi

Monday, 16 Mar, 2009 | 12:27 PM PST


REMEMBER how the civilised world celebrated its triumph in the Cold War by establishing a new yardstick for democracy? No longer was democracy in the developing world good enough, it had to be free market democracy. However, after the free market went into a tailspin recently and all but waned as a durable and trustworthy system for global business the definition for a feasible political order too had to be recast. Faint signals are available of where we are headed.



The Indian foreign ministry’s formula on Pakistan’s current difficulties last week was nuanced, and analytical radars on both sides of the border may have missed it. The ongoing turbulence was an internal affair of Pakistan, the ministry said. That did not mean it didn’t have a preference, however.

India always liked to have strong and stable regimes in the neighbourhood, it added. This was a far cry from its single-minded pursuit of democracy in the neighbourhood after General Pervez Musharraf dethroned the Nawaz Sharif government towards the end of 1999. India stalled the Kathmandu Saarc summit for more than a year in chasing its unfulfilled quest for democracy in Pakistan at that time.
Was the reference to democracy deliberately left out this time by New Delhi in concert with the bigger powers at large? In the arcane world of diplomatic idiom, the omission could define a new thinking for South Asia that may be rumbling into shape, not just in New Delhi but in far away Washington DC, London and elsewhere.
Enough of celebrations and cheering for the flourishing democracies of Iraq and Afghanistan, their cynical message seems to suggest. Let’s take respite from the boring, low yield, and hidebound ideological obsession with the people’s will. A British journalist residing in India for years went so far as to assert that democracy was not meant for countries like Pakistan, whatever that meant. Playwright Bertolt Brecht had anticipated the subterfuge when he characterised similar tendencies in a German dictator. If people are opposed to the new order, elect a new people, the Fuhrer had scoffed.



Alarmingly, a significant resemblance seems to already exist in the form a recent trade-off between democracy and stability, going by the views expressed by the big powers about the Taliban in Pakistan’s Swat valley.
If the Taliban can bring in a strong and stable regime would they fulfil the criteria of a feasible neighbourhood? Sadly the formula works quite well in the Gulf, another worthy neighbourhood. The monarchies there are mostly considered stable and strong regimes, aren’t they.



Of course they are visited by a special bonding with the world’s most powerful democracy. The latter criterion was missing in Saddam Hussein.

He ran a stable and strong regime in his ill-fated country for years. But there were lingering misgivings about his hundred per cent loyalty to those who set the global standards for how much democracy or theocracy or plain dictatorship is desirable in the world around us.
A major blind spot with Indian analyses of the happenings in Pakistan pertains to this duplicitous relationship we have struck with our favourite country – in fact, the most popular country in India even when the world had deserted it, according to the Pew opinion poll. Very few have shown the integrity to assert that the United States is as culpable, if not more, as the Pakistani army or wilful politicians are in fomenting religious bigotry there. They jointly or singly subvert the people’s mandate at will.



Among the very few who are able to say it as it is, M.K. Bhadrakumar, a retired former head of the Pakistan desk at the Indian foreign ministry, comes to mind.
‘Washington cannot escape the writing on the wall — that its military intervention in Afghanistan seven years ago has hopelessly destabilised Pakistan,’ he wrote last week.

‘The vast reservoir of ‘anti-Americanism’ in Pakistan has become the breeding ground of terrorists. The primary responsibility for what is happening lies with the United States — as was the case in engendering the tragedy of Pol Pot in Cambodia a long time ago.’

Bhadrakumar argued that the raging ‘anti-Americanism’ in Pakistan, ‘cutting across social strata’, practically hinders the civilian government – and even the military — from undertaking actions against the militants that lend to interpretation as collaboration with the United States. ‘To compound this, the US is dictating the manner in which Pakistan must tackle the threat to its security. The Pakistanis resent the US’s muscular diplomacy.’

I looked up the American involvement with Pol Pot’s genocidal regime in Cambodia that Bhadrakumar had referred to and found that at the heart of the US support for Pol Pot was Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser.

It was the same Brzezinski who authored the raising of mujahideen in hatcheries in Pakistan. And when the former mujahideen showed early tendencies to turn upon their mentors, he had famously said: ‘What is more important? The demise of the Soviet empire or a few stirred up Muslims?’

Reading bits from Jack Colhoun’s scathing analysis of the US support for Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge regime connects two apparently unrelated situations in Cambodia and Afghanistan, and thereby in Pakistan. Washington had covertly aided and abetted the Pol Potists’ guerrilla war to overthrow the Vietnamese backed government of Prime Minister Hun Sen, which replaced the Khmer Rouge regime.

The US government’s secret partnership with the Khmer Rouge grew out of the US defeat in the Vietnam War. After the fall of Saigon in 1975, the United States — worried by the shift in the Southeast Asian balance of power— turned once again to geopolitical confrontation. It quickly formalised an anti-Vietnamese, anti-Soviet strategic alliance with China — an alliance whose disastrous effects have been most evident in Cambodia. For the United States, playing the ‘China card’ meant sustaining the Khmer Rouge as a geopolitical counterweight capable of destabilising the Hun Sen government in Cambodia and its Vietnamese allies.

When Vietnam intervened in Cambodia in November 1978 and drove the Pol Potists from power, Washington took immediate steps to preserve the Khmer Rouge as a guerrilla movement. International relief agencies were pressured by the United States to provide humanitarian assistance to the Khmer Rouge guerrillas who fled into Thailand.
Brzezinski played an important role in determining how the United States would support the Pol Pot guerrillas. Elizabeth Becker, an expert on Cambodia, wrote: ‘Brzezinski himself claims that he concocted the idea of persuading Thailand to cooperate fully with China in efforts to rebuild the Khmer Rouge.’ Brzezinski said: ‘I encouraged the Chinese to support Pol


Pot. I encouraged the Thai to help the Democratic Kampuchea. The question was how to help the Cambodian people. Pol Pot was an abomination. We could not support him but China could.’
The search for sherpas and willing accomplices in the region has become easier with the passage of time. If it was China in Southeast Asia, it was Pakistan in South Asia.

And if Pakistan looks precarious with exhaustion today there is always the other newly embraced strategic ally in the neighbourhood to join the messy journey – from democracy and human rights, to begin with, to the dubious search for strong and stable regimes in the region. Who can accuse anyone propagating the feasibility of stable and strong regimes in the region as a potential source of destablisastion in South Asia after that? And who will deny after this that politics is umbilically linked to the vagaries of global markets?



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yar we as a nation can't handle democracy, its more off a dhamchocari. I don't know if you have got the figures in the past 3 days we as a nation have burnt millions worth of --------. For what so one As-hole replaces another.
Some times I am amazed at what children say my grandson who is 15 said the other day, Agha gee why doesn't Army call an emergency session and call all MNA' and MPAs and have Airforce take care of it from 40,000ft and then make sure there is no one left in there families to run for election and start from new.
First I thought he is sitting in bad company but the kid way right since the birth of Pakistan same people again and again are screwing our country over and over They talk about 1973 constitution what Constitution which has been changed more than 27 times in 50 years. Our people have got used to DANDA thats it. Most people will not like what I say but If there was a week Army Pakistan would have vanished a long time ago.
 
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yar we as a nation can't handle democracy, its more off a dhamchocari. I don't know if you have got the figures in the past 3 days we as a nation have burnt millions worth of --------. For what so one As-hole replaces another.
Some times I am amazed at what children say my grandson who is 15 said the other day, Agha gee why doesn't Army call an emergency session and call all MNA' and MPAs and have Airforce take care of it from 40,000ft and then make sure there is no one left in there families to run for election and start from new.
First I thought he is sitting in bad company but the kid way right since the birth of Pakistan same people again and again are screwing our country over and over They talk about 1973 constitution what Constitution which has been changed more than 27 times in 50 years. Our people have got used to DANDA thats it. Most people will not like what I say but If there was a week Army Pakistan would have vanished a long time ago.

Muradk;hounrable dearest , sir:smitten:

, just belive i am , not & will not going to support this "democrazy", also i have a frim belive that, some day COAS will reach to a point , when he will calling up the triples, in ISLAMABAD.:agree:
well as he is trying his own formula, of "democrazy", surly if not he , then the comming COAS would be doing the job.:agree:
i guss PAKARMY 's , undeliverence of a govt system & lossing grounds from the media preasure of the west , has to be blammed thus PAKARMY needs more strong command & COMMANDER IN CHEIF , who can stick to his mission & just dont give any dam about media, west or our foolish politicians.:angry::agree::tup:
 
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yar we as a nation can't handle democracy, its more off a dhamchocari. I don't know if you have got the figures in the past 3 days we as a nation have burnt millions worth of --------. For what so one As-hole replaces another.
Some times I am amazed at what children say my grandson who is 15 said the other day, Agha gee why doesn't Army call an emergency session and call all MNA' and MPAs and have Airforce take care of it from 40,000ft and then make sure there is no one left in there families to run for election and start from new.
First I thought he is sitting in bad company but the kid way right since the birth of Pakistan same people again and again are screwing our country over and over They talk about 1973 constitution what Constitution which has been changed more than 27 times in 50 years. Our people have got used to DANDA thats it. Most people will not like what I say but If there was a week Army Pakistan would have vanished a long time ago.

Honorable Mr. MuradK, I couldn't agree more, you hit the jackpot.
I have nothing more to add, you summed it up, or actually, your grandson summed it up quite well too.
Pakistan will continue to suffer and lose alot due to these idiots running in politics and shouting for democracy, the truth is, democracy has not brought us any good, so why implement it? Why not let our country be ruled by a few sensible people? Why not let our country be ruled by people who truly love their country and will not destroy it indirectly by causing political turmoil or to try and increase their own image or fight with other politicians?
Why do we still have idiots in our country who are so easy to manipulate and will listen to anyone who promises them heaven but reality turns out otherwise.
Why do our people have to protest all the time while they know that Pakistan is still poor and in debt, why don't they accept that now isn't the time to argue but it's the time to work, flex those muscles and bring our country into the spotlights.
Why all this **** crap on the streets, all these riots, protests, the destruction of public property, why all the negative imagery for outsiders and especially westerners to see.
And you people wonder why some call our nation a failed state? It's due to the idiots running the show in Pakistan, and to the even bigger idiots who choose or vote for them.
I can't do anything except for praying to God and hoping that someday, we will go into the right direction, because honestly, due to all these issues and stupid politicians running around and protesting every other day, i'm so ashamed of my country.
 
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I know this that Hilary called COAS Kiyani 3 times 1 at 11:20 pm second at 1:30pm third at 2pm. Geo kept saying that the PM will address the nation. Inside source tells that the Draft was written 5 times and finally the Draft was approved by All Including Hilary. Funny how we run our country. Before the speech Fox stated saying that US GOV is happy to see the CJ being reinstated. After 5 min of that Geo officially informed that All judges are being reinstated. The US Gov knew before the people of Pakistan of the speech. Now tell me who is running the country. This things is a cluster ****. After 21 March if CJ Iftikhar says no NRO put Zardari in custody get the money out of him than what, Another fuss more rallies more destruction.
The way I see it CJ will take Zardari off and make Fahim the President till the next election by that time Musharaf's party will be ready for election. CJ can't touch Mushy because he is after all retd COAS with Kayni and Pasha on his side he will become the president.
 
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yar we as a nation can't handle democracy, its more off a dhamchocari. I don't know if you have got the figures in the past 3 days we as a nation have burnt millions worth of --------. For what so one As-hole replaces another.
You have been respected here for obvious reasons. I respect you because you are probably the age of my father. However, your words for the honourable Chief Justice of Pakistan are rather crude and insulting. These words were not expected from a person of your professional background, education and age. No human being is without the flaws, some have more and some have less. Everyone is welcome to criticize a person, but calling him names is not acceptable.
 
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You have been respected here for obvious reasons. I respect you because you are probably the age of my father. However, your words for the honourable Chief Justice of Pakistan are rather crude and insulting. These words were not expected from a person of your professional background, education and age. No human being is without the flaws, some have more and some have less. Everyone is welcome to criticize a person, but calling him names is not acceptable.

Sorry it was not for the CJ it was for Zardari vs Nawaz Sahif. My fault I should have explained properly.
 
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Maybe i am just an idealist. but i dont want the army to take over. i want there to be democracy in Pakistan. i know that we have failed misrabely every time we have tried but after the recent lawyers march i am optimistic that we might have some semblance of an independent judiciary. if we keep at it for a while and free and fair elections take place like the last one and the army stays for a while eventually new leaders will emerge. the problem with our situation is that we have never let the electorate dismiss a sitting government its always been the army or the presidency.
This is my belief that with an independent media it will be hard to rigg elections know and also ignore what the people want.
Yes, Yes god Yes the only way there will be long lasting stability and prosperity in Pakistan is through democracy. the night is always the darkest before the dawn of the sun.
 
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Democracy is a constant process of refinement, where people have the power to mold and change the elected (execute, legislative, and judicial). A perfect example of this process is the United States, were numbers of amendment (fancy word for changes) were applied to the constitution.
 
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Democracy as the world knows it somehow does not come naturally to Muslim nations. There are a few exceptions though.

Authoritarian regimes give the impression of stability by the clout they posses. Years of dictatorship has not been able to quell the demand / urge for people to have a say in the way their lives & their nation is run.

The damage events like the long march has done is visible, what is not visible is the damage ( read siphoning) non elected Govts have / can do.

Dictators are the known devil so some people would like them to come back. They are not the answer coz the prob only gets suppressed not cured.

It will take patient effort, after all without institutions a nation like any organization cannot flourish. The Army is only a part of the problem.
 
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I know this that Hilary called COAS Kiyani 3 times 1 at 11:20 pm second at 1:30pm third at 2pm. Geo kept saying that the PM will address the nation. Inside source tells that the Draft was written 5 times and finally the Draft was approved by All Including Hilary. Funny how we run our country. Before the speech Fox stated saying that US GOV is happy to see the CJ being reinstated. After 5 min of that Geo officially informed that All judges are being reinstated. The US Gov knew before the people of Pakistan of the speech. Now tell me who is running the country. This things is a cluster ****. After 21 March if CJ Iftikhar says no NRO put Zardari in custody get the money out of him than what, Another fuss more rallies more destruction.
The way I see it CJ will take Zardari off and make Fahim the President till the next election by that time Musharaf's party will be ready for election. CJ can't touch Mushy because he is after all retd COAS with Kayni and Pasha on his side he will become the president.


Dear Murad Khan sir,:smitten:

I think to blame only politicians and Judges is not justified. We as a "Nation" are responsible for this mess including some of the "ARMY" generals and general public..As they say "Iss Hamaam mein sabhi nangey hain"...

Anyways, now lets be optimistic and hope for the best for our country.:pakistan::pakistan:
 
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Democracy is a constant process of refinement, where people have the power to mold and change the elected (execute, legislative, and judicial). A perfect example of this process is the United States, were numbers of amendment (fancy word for changes) were applied to the constitution.

You are absolutely right and I do agree that what you are saying is right But what do we do with a nation who's majority decision is always wrong. How can we refine this process if there are 3 parties ruling the country and all three are a menace and have no love for the country. A Question arises what we need and what we want is to moralize politics, and not to politicize morals.
Alas, Our new generation has begun to look like an echo of the past one. Holding elections is not enough and though it might be heresy to suggest it, sometimes a strong, unelected leader may prove more effective in the short term.
Pakistan can become a great country if the education system is changed Students who are exposed to dynamic teachers and curriculum in civics learn to listen to what people of different viewpoints have to say, to weigh what’s reasoned and unreasonable in the arguments they hear, and to look for common ground and pragmatic solutions. They learn to be open to compromise, and to appreciate that conflicting interests are part of our free society They come to understand that resolving conflicts is the function of democracy it is what allows our nation to move forward.
 
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I think it should be -

Is stability WITH democracy possible in Pakistan? ;)
 
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Its an open secret that a very diverse country like india stayed together as a nation till date is only because of its democracy.

In the same manner i believe that pakistan would remain together only if it allows process of democracy to continue & the nation being ruled on the basis of political consensus building.

There is no perfect democracy any where in the world.U can only improve & better it with time. That wont happen if u keep interrupting it periodically ,but by keeping the process alive even in the darkest hour.
 
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