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No they didn't. You had the Ghurids, Khiliji dynasty, Tughlaq dynasty, Lodi Sultanate and Mughal Empire all rule over significant portions of Hindustan. That lasted much longer than the extremely short lived Gupta and Maratha control over Pakistan (the former also only ever controlled parts of the Punjab and Sindh), and the Mauryan rule over Pakistan (Chandragupta himself may have had ancestry from KPK, and his tutor Kautilya was from Taxila).

The Gujara-Pratihara's also never ruled over Pakistan.



Says the monkey who's country named itself after a river flowing through his worst enemy.

Seems like Stockholm syndrome at work to me, you've been invaded so many times by people from the Indus that you think you actually have a connection to the land.

River sindhu is a sanskrit name and it is once a part of bharata varsha.

Every one knows Pakistanis invented history, changed their genes from turkic to Arabic.
 
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River sindhu is a sanskrit name and it is once a part of bharata varsha.

Every one knows Pakistanis invented history, changed their genes from turkic to Arabic.

India never invented history. We all learn from Indians that ancient India invented air planes, internet, nuclear fusion, etc.
 
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changed their genes from turkic to Arabic.

Not this stupidity again... I guess I'll repeat myself again since you brain-dead idiots seem to keep repeating the same crap:

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Genetic markers in the Hindu and Muslim Gujjars of Northwestern India.

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

Microsatellite diversity delineates genetic relationships of Shia and Sunni Muslim populations of Uttar Pradesh, India.

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both Muslim populations"

Traces of sub-Saharan and Middle Eastern lineages in Indian Muslim populations

“The correlation between the admixture contributions from Arabia and Iran is positive, with significant correlation coefficient values”
 
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What is the “real” India?
If its the name ,India was everything that Alexander hit after he crossed Afghanistan- he would have gone to Bengal and still called it India.

The real India in historical context is the extend of the Gupta empire. It was the actual extent of only the local population which was able to export itself without conquest or amalgamation.
 
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What are you talking about? North India and the Indus Valley do share cultural similarities, but they are two different civilizations. As for Bengal, we have Kolkata, the historical and cultural capital of Bengal. You do realize the Mauryan and Gupta Empires were two of the strongest empires to exist in the subcontinent? And yes, North India was ruled by Dehli Sultanate and Mughals for a couple Centuries, but It was taken by the Marathas be the 17th century. In fact, many of the Muslim kingdoms of the Deccan such as Hyderabad and Mysore actually paid tribute to the Marathas, similar to how kingdoms as far as Afghanistan payed tribute to the Mauryans and Guptas. Maybe some small Hindu States(mainly in Central India) paid tribute to the Mughals, but that is insignificant. The point is for the greater part of its 10,000 year history, modern day India was dominated by indigenous Empires, from the Mauryans to the Guptas to the Cholas and Vijayanagar to the Marathas. You cant say the same about Pakistan.
Gupta and maurya barely enjoyed a century of that strong and big status then split into small territory
And marhata just interfered in North India for few decades and we're defeated in 3rd panipat war by Ahmed shah abadali google ;)
Then they just remained limited to south India where they were given bloody nose several times by Haider Ali and his son tipu forcing em to become subservient of British against tipu and when they did there job were also destroyed by brit :)
Ghurids, Khiliji dynasty, Tughlaq dynasty, Lodi Sultanate and Mughal Empire all rule over significant portions of Hindustan. That lasted much longer than the extremely short lived Gupta and Maratha control over Pakistan(the former also only ever controlled parts of the Punjab and Sindh), and the Mauryan rule over Pakistan (Chandragupta himselfmay have had ancestry from KPK, and his tutor Kautilya was from Taxila).

The Gujara-Pratihara's also never ruledover Pakistan.

What are you talking about? North India and the Indus Valley do share cultural similarities, but they are two different civilizations. As for Bengal, we have Kolkata, the historical and cultural capital of Bengal. You do realize the Mauryan and Gupta Empires were two of the strongest empires to exist in the subcontinent? And yes, North India was ruled by Dehli Sultanate and Mughals for a couple Centuries, but It was taken by the Marathas be the 17th century. In fact, many of the Muslim kingdoms of the Deccan such as Hyderabad and Mysore actually paid tribute to the Marathas, similar to how kingdoms as far as Afghanistan payed tribute to the Mauryans and Guptas. Maybe some small Hindu States(mainly in Central India) paid tribute to the Mughals, but that is insignificant. The point is for the greater part of its 10,000 year history, modern day India was dominated by indigenous Empires, from the Mauryans to the Guptas to the Cholas and Vijayanagar to the Marathas. You cant say the same about Pakistan.
And u r not that naive u know that from Akbar to aurangzeb that around 300+ years most of Hindu raja payed tribute those who didn't were annexed ;)
 
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No they didn't. You had the Ghurids, Khiliji dynasty, Tughlaq dynasty, Lodi Sultanate and Mughal Empire all rule over significant portions of Hindustan. That lasted much longer than the extremely short lived Gupta and Maratha control over Pakistan (the former also only ever controlled parts of the Punjab and Sindh), and the Mauryan rule over Pakistan (Chandragupta himself may have had ancestry from KPK, and his tutor Kautilya was from Taxila).

The Gujara-Pratihara's also never ruled over Pakistan.



Says the monkey who's country named itself after a river flowing through his worst enemy.

Seems like Stockholm syndrome at work to me, you've been invaded so many times by people from the Indus that you think you actually have a connection to the land.
The Maryans and Guptas were not short lived, they lasted for almost a thousand years. Must longer than the Khiljis and Tughlaqs, which lasted barely a century East. And all of those Empires were either Central Asian, Arab, or Turikish, even if they employed generals from ondern day Pakistan. With the exception of northwest-India falling to the Khushans temporarily(And once again, the Khushans were Afghan) India has never been invaded by and Empire indigenous to Pakistan, whereas most of Pakistan(and parts of Afghanistan) were ruled by a Bihari-based Empire for at least a couple centuries.

And yes, Maratha rule of Pakistan did not last long. My point is they put a short end to most of the Muslim Empires ruling modern day India. When the British arrived, they had to defeat the Marathas to control India, as the Mughal "Empire" was only a city-state in Dehli, and it was ruled by a puppet ruler who paid tribute to the Marathas.

Gupta and maurya barely enjoyed a century of that strong and big status then split into small territory
And marhata just interfered in North India for few decades and we're defeated in 3rd panipat war by Ahmed shah abadali google ;)
Then they just remained limited to south India where they were given bloody nose several times by Haider Ali and his son tipu forcing em to become subservient of British against tipu and when they did there job were also destroyed by brit :)
Ghurids, Khiliji dynasty, Tughlaq dynasty, Lodi Sultanate and Mughal Empire all rule over significant portions of Hindustan. That lasted much longer than the extremely short lived Gupta and Maratha control over Pakistan(the former also only ever controlled parts of the Punjab and Sindh), and the Mauryan rule over Pakistan (Chandragupta himselfmay have had ancestry from KPK, and his tutor Kautilya was from Taxila).

The Gujara-Pratihara's also never ruledover Pakistan.


And u r not that naive u know that from Akbar to aurangzeb that around 300+ years most of Hindu raja payed tribute those who didn't were annexed ;)
Wrong. Ten years after Panipat, the Marathas regained control of North India, and the Durranis were pushed back to Pakistan. And the Mauryans and Guptas remained major powers combined for almost a thousand years. And it is proven Chandragupta Maurya was a Bihari born in Patilputra. And only small kingdoms(Hindu and Muslim) paid tribute to the Mughals. Significant Kingdoms such as Vijayanagar never paid tribute to anyone, and forced Muslim kingdoms(such as the Bahmanis) to pay tribute to them.

Nothing you said changes the fact that
1. For most of the past 10000 years, India was ruled by indigenous empires(Including the British, for only about 500 years was the entirety of India under foreign rule.
Although India was never ruled by an indigenous Empire native to Pakistan(with the exception of some Pashto Empires like the Durranis if you want to count them as Pakistani, but their rule never lasted long), modern day Pakistan was ruled by Bihari Empires for centuries.

Sanskrit is a language our ancestors created in ancient Pakistan. Later imposed on your tropical Dravidian ancestors (together with caste system).
If that were true, you would expect there to be some prominent Sanskrit literature from modern day Pakistan. but all you have is unproven claims to the Vedas.

What is the “real” India?
If its the name ,India was everything that Alexander hit after he crossed Afghanistan- he would have gone to Bengal and still called it India.

The real India in historical context is the extend of the Gupta empire. It was the actual extent of only the local population which was able to export itself without conquest or amalgamation.


THIS. Alexander only saw a small part of the subcontinent before he was forced to turn back by the Nandas, so his accounts are not valid. The most accurate descriptions of Indika, the origin of India, were written by Megasthenes during the Maruyan Empire, which was based in Patilputra.
 
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The Maryans and Guptas were not short lived, they lasted for almost a thousand years. Must longer than the Khiljis and Tughlaqs, which lasted barely a century East. And all of those Empires were either Central Asian, Arab, or Turikish, even if they employed generals from ondern day Pakistan. With the exception of northwest-India falling to the Khushans temporarily(And once again, the Khushans were Afghan) India has never been invaded by and Empire indigenous to Pakistan, whereas most of Pakistan(and parts of Afghanistan) were ruled by a Bihari-based Empire for at least a couple centuries.

And yes, Maratha rule of Pakistan did not last long. My point is they put a short end to most of the Muslim Empires ruling modern day India. When the British arrived, they had to defeat the Marathas to control India, as the Mughal "Empire" was only a city-state in Dehli, and it was ruled by a puppet ruler who paid tribute to the Marathas.

I never said they were short lived, I said Gupta rule over Pakistan was short lived, because it was, and they only ever controlled small amounts of Punjab and Sindh in the first place.

The Muslim Empire's were multi-ethnic, it's unfair to label them with one ethnicity, even the rulers themselves were very mixed in terms of heritage. Anyway, as stated before, Muslims from the sub-continent do have ancestry from these conquerors:

screenshot_2018-04-11-15-35-59-1-png.469512


Genetic markers in the Hindu and Muslim Gujjars of Northwestern India.

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

Microsatellite diversity delineates genetic relationships of Shia and Sunni Muslim populations of Uttar Pradesh, India.

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both Muslim populations"

Traces of sub-Saharan and Middle Eastern lineages in Indian Muslim populations

“The correlation between the admixture contributions from Arabia and Iran is positive, with significant correlation coefficient values”

The Kushans were not Afghan at all lol, where did you get that from? They were Iranic people from the Tarim Basin in China, and eventually moved to Central Asia before finally settling in Pakistan, with Peshawar being one of their largest cities. Kanishka himself also came from Peshawar. Also, again, they would have many descendants alive today in Pakistan.

The Maratha's lost to the Durranis and the Mysoreans, so they didn't exactly end Muslim domination in the region. It was the British that did that.

If that were true, you would expect there to be some prominent Sanskrit literature from modern day Pakistan. but all you have is unproven claims to the Vedas.

The claim is not unproven, it's regarded as historical fact, even Hindu nationalists admit this:

https://www.theweek.in/content/arch...d-on-the-banks-of-pakistan-rivers-bhagat.html
 
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I never said they were short lived, I said Gupta rule over Pakistan was short lived, because it was, and they only ever controlled small amounts of Punjab and Sindh in the first place.

The Muslim Empire's were multi-ethnic, it's unfair to label them with one ethnicity, even the rulers themselves were very mixed in terms of heritage. Anyway, as stated before, Muslims from the sub-continent do have ancestry from these conquerors:

screenshot_2018-04-11-15-35-59-1-png.469512


Genetic markers in the Hindu and Muslim Gujjars of Northwestern India.

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

Microsatellite diversity delineates genetic relationships of Shia and Sunni Muslim populations of Uttar Pradesh, India.

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both Muslim populations"

Traces of sub-Saharan and Middle Eastern lineages in Indian Muslim populations

“The correlation between the admixture contributions from Arabia and Iran is positive, with significant correlation coefficient values”

The Kushans were not Afghan at all lol, where did you get that from? They were Iranic people from the Tarim Basin in China, and eventually moved to Central Asia before finally settling in Pakistan, with Peshawar being one of their largest cities. Kanishka himself also came from Peshawar. Also, again, they would have many descendants alive today in Pakistan.

The Maratha's lost to the Durranis and the Mysoreans, so they didn't exactly end Muslim domination in the region. It was the British that did that.



The claim is not unproven, it's regarded as historical fact, even Hindu nationalists admit this:

https://www.theweek.in/content/arch...d-on-the-banks-of-pakistan-rivers-bhagat.html


I was not saying Indian Empires controlled Pakistan for a long time. The entire subcontinent was united very rarely in history. I was simply supporting my claim that for most of its 10000 year history, India was ruled by indigenous empires.
and the Mauryans and Guptas still ruled most of Pakistan for a couple of centuries, about the same time as Muslim empires controlled large parts of India.
 
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